2021 Spring Practice

[PANDFAN]

I must have missed that, where did you see this?

all within the past 2 weeks, they seem to be always be together ..just looking at the highlights from practice

 

[Dale]

I think some wires might be getting crossed. I’d agree with Lucci, it could have happened but it certainly has not been often Fisher LT & Baker RT. Fisher LT with Spindler at LG and Lugg at RT has been the most common recent grouping

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I’m always very leery of freshmen starting on the OL. They will be savy when they are older but damn if they don’t usually get beat a bunch along the way.

 

[Trait Expectations]

I’m always very leery of freshmen starting on the OL. They will be savy when they are older but damn if they don’t usually get beat a bunch along the way.

But in all fairness, I'm leery of upperclassmen that get beat out by freshmen. I know we'll have some bumps but if we can weather the storm of the first few games, the growth can be exponential for young guys.

It is an indictment of those guys who've been in the program for 2-4 years but let the cream rise to the top.

 

[Irish#1]

But in all fairness, I'm leery of upperclassmen that get beat out by freshmen. I know we'll have some bumps but if we can weather the storm of the first few games, the growth can be exponential for young guys.

It is an indictment of those guys who've been in the program for 2-4 years but let the cream rise to the top.

You certainly worry if the upperclassman isn't beating out the freshman, but if they're pretty equal I prefer the experience. It takes more than a few games. IMO the freshman year is basically a learning year. As a freshman they are still building strength, learning the position, adjusting to the speed, learning how to practice and trying to get the playbook and mental side down. That's not to say a freshman can't be productive on the O-line, but it's rare.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Underclass WR doesn't beat out upperclass WR = We suck
Underclass OL beats out upperclass OL = We suck

 

[BeauBenken]

Underclass WR doesn't beat out upperclass WR = We suck
Underclass OL beats out upperclass OL = We suck

I get what you're saying, but to be fair, WR is a position that is much easier to get on the field as a young kid than OL.

 

[GowerND11]

I get what you're saying, but to be fair, WR is a position that is much easier to get on the field as a young kid than OL.

Golden Tate could only run straight, it got him on the field haha. I remember my freshman year, same as his, at Holy Cross and seeing the student made shirts describing his route tree (it was only a 9). haha

 

[irishandy]

Fisher and Spindler sound promising. I like that they are getting PT with the #1 OL group, but I this will make them more ready for 2022 if Buchner is our QB.

Has JJ gotten many reps with the first string?

 

[ResLife Hero]

Golden Tate could only run straight, it got him on the field haha. I remember my freshman year, same as his, at Holy Cross and seeing the student made shirts describing how route tree (it was only a 9). haha

I loved this shirt. Sadly mine disintegrated from washing a few years back, and I can't find any pictures online.

 

[Luckylucci]

Pyne is putting together quite the Spring highlight reel.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/dpyne10/status/1384591159020896261[/TWEET]

 

[T-Boone]

Pyne is putting together quite the Spring highlight reel.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/dpyne10/status/1384591159020896261[/TWEET]

He has to play right? I'd be happy with QB by committee early on in the year.

 

[317Irish]

He has to play right? I'd be happy with QB by committee early on in the year.

Based on some of the highlights he has posted I would say he’s gonna be in the Heisman conversation come November. Can’t believe we had to suffer through Ian while this guy was on the bench! I’m just kidding but I hope we have two QB’s that are comfortable and confident and may the best man win come August.

 

[Irish8248]

He has to play right? I'd be happy with QB by committee early on in the year.

I watch that and come away not impressed. It's solid placement and read but the ball looks wobbly and seems like he pushes it

 

[T-Boone]

I watch that and come away not impressed. It's solid placement and read but the ball looks wobbly and seems like he pushes it

Same, but he has still be great per the footage and its a good sign they have him throwing deep to 0.

 

[Irish#1]

Based on some of the highlights he has posted I would say he’s gonna be in the Heisman conversation come November. Can’t believe we had to suffer through Ian while this guy was on the bench! I’m just kidding but I hope we have two QB’s that are comfortable and confident and may the best man win come August.

I still don't see him beating out Cohen, but agree that we need a solid #2 to be ready.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I still don't see him beating out Cohen, but agree that we need a solid #2 to be ready.

Just an FYI, but it's Coan.

Does every fanbase struggle with their players' names as much as we do? Lol

 

[IrishLion]

Just an FYI, but it's Coan.

Does every fanbase struggle with their players' names as much as we do? Lol

Dayne Christ
Everette Ghoulston
Tommy Reese
and not a player but Charlie Weiss

 

[SoIll]

Dayne Christ
Everette Ghoulston
Tommy Reese
and not a player but Charlie Weiss

Kiser

 

[dublinirish]

Houston Griffin

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Dayne Christ
Everette Ghoulston
Tommy Reese
and not a player but Charlie Weiss

Drew White

 

[IrishLax]

Can someone tell me how Pyne isn't simply a smaller, slower Ian Book? Like what about his passing game is significantly different than what Ian Brought to the table?

 

[Luckylucci]

Can someone tell me how Pyne isn't simply a smaller, slower Ian Book? Like what about his passing game is significantly different than what Ian Brought to the table?

Well, i don’t think he’s significantly different. And I don’t think he’s going to be our starting QB.

But, Ian just refused to throw the ball downfield at times. It was never that he couldn’t do it, it was that he refused to do so. If Pyne is willing to trust what he sees/knows and throw those balls, then I can see him being an improvement in that area. I beat this dead horse all last year but Rees was drawing up shot plays for Book, he simply did not throw them.

That play above is a perfect example. That’s actually pretty good coverage by the Freshman, Riley. But Lenzy has a step on him and Pyne puts the ball where it needs to be. Nothing more than that is really necessary. It wasn’t Lenzy’s 10.6 speed that allowed him to be wide open. Pyne slides in the pocket to evade the pressure and delivers the ball. Trust what you see and trust your WR to make the play.

edit: And I’d add, another area for improvement could come from pocket presence. Book, at times, over the years was a mess from the pocket. Far too many plays were abandoned from the outset because of it. If Book had better pocket presence and trusted his talent, he’s a sure fire NFL draft pick. Young man has talent. So, what we give up in freelance offense can we get back in more plays from the pocket? That would be the questions I’d think of.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Well, i don’t think he’s significantly different. And I don’t think he’s going to be our starting QB.

But, Ian just refused to throw the ball downfield at times. It was never that he couldn’t do it, it was that he refused to do so. If Pyne is willing to trust what he sees/knows and throw those balls, then I can see him being an improvement in that area. I beat this dead horse all last year but Rees was drawing up shot plays for Book, he simply did not throw them.

That play above is a perfect example. That’s actually pretty good coverage by the Freshman, Riley. But Lenzy has a step on him and Pyne puts the ball where it needs to be. Nothing more than that is really necessary. It wasn’t Lenzy’s 10.6 speed that allowed him to be wide open. Pyne slides in the pocket to evade the pressure and delivers the ball. Trust what you see and trust your WR to make the play.

I don't think Book was capable of reading downfield coverages well. I hope he improves and becomes a quality NFL'er but he either failed to take the 1:1 shots or he'd chuck it into double coverage. I don't know if his spatial perception was weaker 30+ yards down field or what because he was really good at short/intermediate throws, especially on the run.

As Rees was alluding to in his quote, we don't need to throw the ball down field 8 times/game. But the threat must be there and that means it must be thrown deep at least a few/game.

 

[NDisme]

Can someone tell me how Pyne isn't simply a smaller, slower Ian Book? Like what about his passing game is significantly different than what Ian Brought to the table?

Most have said but my thoughts and hope is Book to me would freak out too quickly and leave the pocket when he didn't have to at times and I think the thought is Pyne is better at reading defenses, will hang in the pocket longer and wait for his guy to get open and will get it there accurately. Whether that is what he turns out to be IDK.

 

[Dale]

"I think Lawrence Keys has probably had as good of a spring as anybody on offense. He's shown the ability to stretch the field, make explosive plays and that was one of the things that we challenged him with....

Braden Lenzy, the last couple of days, has really come on. I'm excited about the trust that we're building there in order for him to be in an expanded role and hand him more on his plate.

"As for the other guys, Joe Wilkins has been pretty steady throughout spring, but we need his game to go to the next extra level. For the young guys, Jordan Johnson missed a couple of practice, that's gonna slow his development down. Lorenzo Styles has certainly done some good things. But just like any senior [in high school], there's a new speed, there are new expectations, there's a level of detail that goes into playing at this level that those guys just need to learn.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/quick-hitters-tommy-rees-april-22-press-conference

 

[dublinirish]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CoachMikeElston/status/1385266903028051970?s=20[/TWEET]

MTA zone read package confirmed

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CoachMikeElston/status/1385266903028051970?s=20[/TWEET]

MTA zone read package confirmed

He should have kept it there.

 

[irishandy]

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/quick-hitters-tommy-rees-april-22-press-conference

Jordan Johnson missed a couple of practice, that's gonna slow his development down.

Not good news for Jordan Johnson, don't know what to think of him at this point. When do you start to wonder if he can make it at ND??

 

[dublinirish]

looks like Drew White is back out there