2016 Presidential Horse Race

[NorthDakota]

Here's where I'm at: would Father Hesburgh ever have said what Lou said?

didn't think so

If I had no life at all I'd go look through all your posts and reply to them Would Father Ted ever have said this? ^

 

[woolybug25]

What do you think is the appropriate level of outrage for it? Burn Melania at the stake? Imprison her in a gulag for 30 years? Fine her $10B?

I think an apology from his campaign for stealing her speech, for the same event where they attack her husband relentlessly in, would be the least they could do. Maybe some of his rabid followers (including the people on here that acted like it was coincidence) could simply acknowledge their dishonesty.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think an apology from his campaign for stealing her speech, for the same event where they attack her husband relentlessly in, would be the least they could do. Maybe some of his rabid followers (including the people on here that acted like it was coincidence) could simply acknowledge their dishonesty.

I think the speech writer already apologized and offered to resign. As far as asking others to apologize, good luck, those supporters are unlikely to move. It was painted as a coincidence, nobody without firsthand knowledge would know otherwise. Frankly, reading the passage that was stolen, the whole plagiarism thing seems silly tbh. It's just a bunch of political speech, the kind politicians typically echo to galvanize their followers. Politicians talk all the time about being raised to work hard, keep your word, and treat people with respect. If the writer reversed two of those three items, nobody bats an eye. It easily could have been a coincidence given the circumstances and message.

 

[kmoose]

I think an apology from his campaign for stealing her speech, for the same event where they attack her husband relentlessly in, would be the least they could do. Maybe some of his rabid followers (including the people on here that acted like it was coincidence) could simply acknowledge their dishonesty.

Did Obama apologize for any of his plagiarizations(that's actually a word, according to Mr. Webster)?

I do think it probably went down just like they said it did. Melania gave the speechwriter some phrasing that she wanted to use, figuring that the speechwriter would change it up enough to not be plagiarism, and the speechwriter got in a hurry(or just got lazy) and didn't do the proper due diligence. But the why and how don't really matter. It ended up being plagiarism. I certainly don't think an apology is unreasonable to ask of them.

 

[connor_in]

I think an apology from his campaign for stealing her speech, for the same event where they attack her husband relentlessly in, would be the least they could do. Maybe some of his rabid followers (including the people on here that acted like it was coincidence) could simply acknowledge their dishonesty.

What size font should I use for my ha ha ha ha ha ... post?

Maybe we should wipe the slate clean, like with a cloth

 

[woolybug25]

Did Obama apologize for any of his plagiarizations(that's actually a word, according to Mr. Webster)?

I do think it probably went down just like they said it did. Melania gave the speechwriter some phrasing that she wanted to use, figuring that the speechwriter would change it up enough to not be plagiarism, and the speechwriter got in a hurry(or just got lazy) and didn't do the proper due diligence. But the why and how don't really matter. It ended up being plagiarism. I certainly don't think an apology is unreasonable to ask of them.

I don't doubt it either. But they (the royal they, trump and his supporters) we're knowingly lying about what they thought happened. They made up ludicrous excuses (my little pony, anyone?) on why it wasn't possible. That's the problem with political exchange in today's world. No intellectual honesty on either side.

What size font should I use for my ha ha ha ha ha ... post?

Maybe we should wipe the slate clean, like with a cloth

Ok? That's not remotely the same thing. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. When faced with the issue of being wrong, we naturally want to point our finger at someone else. My comments weren't about Hillary (don't worry, I have plenty of shitty things to say about her too), so what's the point in using a completely different scenario that a completely different person did? We are better than that.

But if we are talking font styles... I'm old school... Times New Roman for this guy.

 

[EddytoNow]

The first thing Melania said when questioned about her speech was that she wrote it herself. If she did write it herself, then she is to blame for the obvious plagiarism. If she didn't write it then she lied when she said she did. If she had someone else write the speech for her, then why did she say that she wrote it.

The low-level Trump aide that is now taking the blame is more than likely falling on the sword and taking one for the team. No one will remember her name in a couple of weeks. However, I sincerely doubt a speech of that importance would have been the product of one low-level staff member. Either Trump has surrounded himself with an incompetent team or the truth is being covered up to protect Melania or someone else higher up the food chain.

If your main argument against Hillary is that she is dishonest, it can't help when the truthfulness of the Trump campaign is tarnished in this way. Someone's lying inside the Trump campaign.

 

[kmoose]

The first thing Melania said when questioned about her speech was that she wrote it herself. If she did write it herself, then she is to blame for the obvious plagiarism. If she didn't write it then she lied when she said she did. If she had someone else write the speech for her, then why did she say that she wrote it.

The low-level Trump aide that is now taking the blame is more than likely falling on the sword and taking one for the team. No one will remember her name in a couple of weeks. However, I sincerely doubt a speech of that importance would have been the product of one low-level staff member. Either Trump has surrounded himself with an incompetent team or the truth is being covered up to protect Melania or someone else higher up the food chain.

If your main argument against Hillary is that she is dishonest, it can't help when the truthfulness of the Trump campaign is tarnished in this way. Someone's lying inside the Trump campaign.

So it is your contention that the nominee's wife's speech is too important to leave to "one low-level staffer", but that it would NOT be too important to allow a political neophyte like Melania Trump to write it herself?

And, further, you are suspicious of some kind of grand conspiracy, to protect Melania Trump from what, exactly? Is plagiarism some kind of felony? Did an Ambassador and other Americans die, and Melania Trump lied about it? Did Melania Trump probably commit perjury in lying to a congressional panel?

You are really reaching, man. It's probably best to just let this one go...

 

[connor_in]

I don't doubt it either. But they (the royal they, trump and his supporters) we're knowingly lying about what they thought happened. They made up ludicrous excuses (my little pony, anyone?) on why it wasn't possible. That's the problem with political exchange in today's world. No intellectual honesty on either side.



Ok? That's not remotely the same thing. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. When faced with the issue of being wrong, we naturally want to point our finger at someone else. My comments weren't about Hillary (don't worry, I have plenty of shitty things to say about her too), so what's the point in using a completely different scenario that a completely different person did? We are better than that.

But if we are talking font styles... I'm old school... Times New Roman for this guy.

To the second part, that was in response to my thread...

My first part was laughing at your suggestion that they apologize. If you really thought they should or would, which my belief and hope is that you didn't, then there is no reason to go any further and all I can do is type SMDH.

My second part was not a comparison of situations but poking humor at a situation that was absurd to begin with and only gotten more sad and depressing for mankind as you guys continue to discuss a politician's spouse making an innocuous little speech about their candidate spouse and blow everything about it way out of proportion. Wooly, we have both been here a while and I know you are better than that.

PS font SIZE was what I asked about not style, silly

 

[EddytoNow]

So it is your contention that the nominee's wife's speech is too important to leave to "one low-level staffer", but that it would NOT be too important to allow a political neophyte like Melania Trump to write it herself?

And, further, you are suspicious of some kind of grand conspiracy, to protect Melania Trump from what, exactly? Is plagiarism some kind of felony? Did an Ambassador and other Americans die, and Melania Trump lied about it? Did Melania Trump probably commit perjury in lying to a congressional panel?

You are really reaching, man. It's probably best to just let this one go...

No, it is my contention that the speech was approved by several staff members and probably read and approved by Trump himself. It was also written by one or more staff members, who directly pilfered the lines from Michelle Obama's speech. I doubt Melania had much of a role at all in writing the speech. The question is why did they steal the lines to begin with? And why did they deny the plagiarism in the first place?

And regarding your comparison to Hillary's lies, if you are willing to lie about something as inconsequential as this speech then what will keep you from lying about issues of far more importance?

 

[Bishop2b5]

No, it is my contention that the speech was approved by several staff members and probably read and approved by Trump himself. It was also written by one or more staff members, who directly pilfered the lines from Michelle Obama's speech. I doubt Melania had much of a role at all in writing the speech. The question is why did they steal the lines to begin with? And why did they deny the plagiarism in the first place?

And regarding your comparison to Hillary's lies, if you are willing to lie about something as inconsequential as this speech then what will keep you from lying about issues of far more importance?

The phrase "strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel” comes to mind.

 

[kmoose]

No, it is my contention that the speech was approved by several staff members and probably read and approved by Trump himself.

Oh yes........... and those people are all experts in every speech ever given, and should have recognized those few lines as plagiarism?

 

[NorthDakota]

The RNC looks lit, fam.

This Pence guy gives off the All-American vibe. I'm digging him.

 

[connor_in]

MSNBC Warns Sensitive Viewers Before Showing Anti-Hillary Buttons

 

[connor_in]

Paging Darwin! Anti-RNC protester learns the HARD way why you don’t burn the flag – twitchy.com

 

[pkt77242]

Secret Service investigating Trump adviser after Clinton remark - CNNPolitics.com

 

[ulukinatme]

Paging Darwin! Anti-RNC protester learns the HARD way why you don’t burn the flag – twitchy.com

Who would have thought that after 50+ years Cleveland FINALLY wins a championship again, no fire issues to speak of. You would have thought they would have been burning couches on every street corner.
Protestors for a semi regular political event? Whole different story.

 

[Calabrese's People]

 

[phgreek]

Did they postpone the last two days of the convention? The hot topic is still Melania Trump

...when Ted Cruz just fist f!cked EVERYBODY. (I had tears running down my face...it was funny as hell) He trolled everyone. I'd say, based on how tight the hold is on MELANIA FREAKIN TRUMP'S speech, that TED will never live this one down...he commited to support the nominee, and then didn't when it wasn't him. Trump knew Ted wasn't going to, but let him on anyway...crazy, but kinda big of Trump.

Wooly, for what its worth...somebody lifted those words...that would be my guess. Were those words representative of a cliche in these things...YEA Were they original concepts...NO. Would it have been ok if Melania was singing her ode to Donald...would we call it sampling or whatever??? Would it have been ok had she first executed air quotes??? On a percentage basis how much of her speech was lifted...So the conduct was meh, and I question plagiarism claims... Everybody refusing to admit they lifted that line or two..self destructive....but really on the order of pointing a red rider BB gun at your foot

 

[brick4956]

Lifted passages of Melania’s speech not in speechwriter’s draft: reports | TheHill
Basically the speech writers draft was a lot different than what meliana trump said

 

[wizards8507]

Say what you will about Ted Cruz, but he stood up to every other sellout Republican last night by refusing to endorse Donald Trump and I'm damn proud of him for it. I keep reading idiotic commentary about how he put himself and his career before his country, but exactly the opposite is true. He refused to play party politics and probably sabotaged his career by standing by the principles in which he believes.

Ted Cruz's Convention Speech Didn't Endorse Donald Trump | National Review

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[IrishJayhawk]

Say what you will about Ted Cruz, but he stood up to every other sellout Republican last night by refusing to endorse Donald Trump and I'm damn proud of him for it. I keep reading idiotic commentary about how he put himself and his career before his country, but exactly the opposite is true. He refused to play party politics and probably sabotaged his career by standing by the principles in which he believes.

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I find him repulsive. But that was pretty cool.

 

[irish1958]

The RNC looks lit, fam.

This Pence guy gives off the All-American vibe. I'm digging him.

I note you are from North Dakota. Perhaps if one gets far enough from Indiana you don't notice the stench of that unprincipled bigot.

 

[wizards8507]

I find him repulsive. But that was pretty cool.

It's what Bernie should have done if he had any integrity whatsoever. Especially when you consider that Bernie is 98 years old and doesn't have much political career left to sabotage.

 

[EddytoNow]

Secret Service investigating Trump adviser after Clinton remark - CNNPolitics.com

Trump needs to distance himself from Baldasaro and any talk of imprisoning or executing Clinton. That's the kind of stuff that goes on in third world countries dominated by brutal dictators, not in the world's greatest democracy.

 

[wizards8507]

Trump needs to distance himself from Baldasaro and any talk of imprisoning or executing Clinton. That's the kind of stuff that goes on in third world countries dominated by brutal dictators, not in the world's greatest democracy.

We're not a democracy. Never have been.

But yeah.

 

[Wild Bill]

Say what you will about Ted Cruz, but he stood up to every other sellout Republican last night by refusing to endorse Donald Trump and I'm damn proud of him for it. I keep reading idiotic commentary about how he put himself and his career before his country, but exactly the opposite is true. He refused to play party politics and probably sabotaged his career by standing by the principles in which he believes.

Ted Cruz's Convention Speech Didn't Endorse Donald Trump | National Review

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I doubt he wrote and delivered his speech thinking that he would probably sabotage his career. He's too calculated, too self interested and believes in his ideas too much to knowingly throw away his entire career. I think he understood the risk but believed it was worth the reward - being the only major candidate who didn't back Trump in 2016.

At the moment, it appears he miscalculated the risk, and I doubt he'll ever recover (could be wrong).

 

[EddytoNow]

It's what Bernie should have done if he had any integrity whatsoever. Especially when you consider that Bernie is 98 years old and doesn't have much political career left to sabotage.

Actually, Bernie and Donald Trump are the same age or pretty close to it.

 

[wizards8507]

I doubt he wrote and delivered his speech thinking that he would probably sabotage his career. He's too calculated, too self interested and believes in his ideas too much to knowingly throw away his entire career. I think he understood the risk but believed it was worth the reward - being the only major candidate who didn't back Trump in 2016.

At the moment, it appears he miscalculated the risk, and I doubt he'll ever recover (could be wrong).

It all depends on how the election plays out.

Trump wins and governs well - Ted Cruz looks bad (petty sore loser)
Trump wins and is a disaster as a president - Cruz looks good (See? I told ya so.)
Trump loses close - Cruz looks bad (blamed for dampening conservative enthusiasm)
Trump loses in a landslide - Cruz looks good (See? I told ya so.)

Actually, Bernie and Donald Trump are the same age or pretty close to it.

The relevant comparison is Cruz and Bernie, not Trump and Bernie.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Sanders is 74
Trump is 70
Clinton is 68