'18 PA OLB Matthew "Bo" Bauer (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[BobbyMac]

It's funny how you rip BVG, but he is actually being honest with the kid compared to other programs. If the kid wasn't picking up the defense, you would complain about the kid playing baseball during the spring.

Would you want DeShone Kizer playing baseball and football? That's essentially what the MLB is. The kid will realize that he can't do both in college and also realize ND was honest with him the whole way through. That's the way these things happen.

Don't come in here trying to get all logical. Ain't nobody got time for that sh!t.

 

[GBdomer]

He's also coming back for the MSU game and possibly another one this fall

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Pick football. Pick Irish!

 

[NDdomer2]

It can't be that big of a turn off....he did say we are his leader

 

[dublinirish]

BVG aint gonna be at ND by the time this kid gets to campus

 

[DONTH8]

It's funny how you rip BVG, but he is actually being honest with the kid compared to other programs. If the kid wasn't picking up the defense, you would complain about the kid playing baseball during the spring.

Would you want DeShone Kizer playing baseball and football? That's essentially what the MLB is. The kid will realize that he can't do both in college and also realize ND was honest with him the whole way through. That's the way these things happen.

Jameis Winston did it, won a Heisman, stole chicken legs, won a natty, and was able to get skrong along the way.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Jameis Winston did it, won a Heisman, stole chicken legs, won a natty, and was able to get skrong along the way.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Crab legs. C'mon!

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[Irish#1]

Don't come in here trying to get all logical. Ain't nobody got time for that sh!t.

You mean there is a world outside of ND that could be more important to some people? Is that what my wife means when she says, "Go mow the lawn" and it's only a foot high?

 

[woolybug25]

It's funny how you rip BVG, but he is actually being honest with the kid compared to other programs. If the kid wasn't picking up the defense, you would complain about the kid playing baseball during the spring.

Would you want DeShone Kizer playing baseball and football? That's essentially what the MLB is. The kid will realize that he can't do both in college and also realize ND was honest with him the whole way through. That's the way these things happen.

I disagree. First of all, I don't want any player on defense to have the playbook responsibilities of a quarterback. I get the cliche "QB of the defense" mantra for MLB. But that is just an analogy regarding being the guy setting up the formations. The vast majority of college defenses are quick read in nature. They aren't so complicated that a kid couldn't handle playing another sport in the offseason.

Secondly, he could at least let him try it under the understanding that it's entirely dependent on his progress with the playbook.

Finally... Who do you think is smarter? Nick Saban or BVG?

Linebacker for Alabama football is playing baseball for Tide this spring - Alabama - Scout

 

[NDdomer2]

I was just in Nashville during the SEC media days and I heard multiple players now in NFL from Bama say that Alabama's defense was the most difficult defense they ever had to learn.

I would like to think they guys enrolling at ND have the same mental capacity or greater than those playing FB in Tuscaloosa.

So why does Saban get praised for his NFL defensive schemes and how difficult it is why BVG's gets ridiculed for his being too difficult and NFL like?

 

[Irish Man3]

I was just in Nashville during the SEC media days and I heard multiple players now in NFL from Bama say that Alabama's defense was the most difficult defense they ever had to learn.

I would like to think they guys enrolling at ND have the same mental capacity or greater than those playing FB in Tuscaloosa.

So why does Saban get praised for his NFL defensive schemes and how difficult it is why BVG's gets ridiculed for his being too difficult and NFL like?

Because Alabama has a great defense year in and year out. ND, not so much. It's not a matter of comparing the mental capacity of the players at each school. Maybe take a look at the difference in the teachers relaying the message.

I mean, that's the literal difference. If ND, came out this year and had a defense like the one Alabama fields every year, he would immediately receive praise for his complex, NFL sceme.

Saban's scheme = success = praise
BVG's scheme = failure = ridicule

 

[woolybug25]

I was just in Nashville during the SEC media days and I heard multiple players now in NFL from Bama say that Alabama's defense was the most difficult defense they ever had to learn.

I would like to think they guys enrolling at ND have the same mental capacity or greater than those playing FB in Tuscaloosa.

So why does Saban get praised for his NFL defensive schemes and how difficult it is why BVG's gets ridiculed for his being too difficult and NFL like?

Because Saban can actually teach his players the defense.

 

[IrishLion]

I disagree. First of all, I don't want any player on defense to have the playbook responsibilities of a quarterback. I get the cliche "QB of the defense" mantra for MLB. But that is just an analogy regarding being the guy setting up the formations. The vast majority of college defenses are quick read in nature. They aren't so complicated that a kid couldn't handle playing another sport in the offseason.

This man knows.

Defenses can be complicated, and a safety/LB that's calling the shots might have a lot on his plate...

But it is nowhere near (and should be nowhere near) the same commitment as playing QB. Defense is read-and-react by it's very nature. QB is about mastering and then dictating.

An ILB that plays in a complex defensive system needs to know what to look for and how to line people up in the base scheme, sure... but a great ILB is making his money during game week, prepping for the proper reads based on the unique offense that he's playing against that week.

A guy that wants to play both baseball and football shouldn't worry about learning a defense that is too complicated to allow multitasking.

I understand that BVG probably wants someone who is dedicated entirely to football, and nothing but football... but the admission that his defense is THAT complicated is just ridiculous.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It's funny how you rip BVG, but he is actually being honest with the kid compared to other programs. If the kid wasn't picking up the defense, you would complain about the kid playing baseball during the spring.

Would you want DeShone Kizer playing baseball and football? That's essentially what the MLB is. The kid will realize that he can't do both in college and also realize ND was honest with him the whole way through. That's the way these things happen.

Don't come in here trying to get all logical. Ain't nobody got time for that sh!t.

It can't be that big of a turn off....he did say we are his leader

I disagree. First of all, I don't want any player on defense to have the playbook responsibilities of a quarterback. I get the cliche "QB of the defense" mantra for MLB. But that is just an analogy regarding being the guy setting up the formations. The vast majority of college defenses are quick read in nature. They aren't so complicated that a kid couldn't handle playing another sport in the offseason.

Secondly, he could at least let him try it under the understanding that it's entirely dependent on his progress with the playbook.

Finally... Who do you think is smarter? Nick Saban or BVG?

Linebacker for Alabama football is playing baseball for Tide this spring - Alabama - Scout

I was just in Nashville during the SEC media days and I heard multiple players now in NFL from Bama say that Alabama's defense was the most difficult defense they ever had to learn.

I would like to think they guys enrolling at ND have the same mental capacity or greater than those playing FB in Tuscaloosa.

So why does Saban get praised for his NFL defensive schemes and how difficult it is why BVG's gets ridiculed for his being too difficult and NFL like?

Usually, I mistake what I see of a situation, for what it reminds me of in my past. Thanks for laying this out well, gentlemen.

More and more, I don't think the problems of the two years of defense under BVG are a problem with kids being able to learn a complex defense. Instead of intelligence, maybe they are a problem with lack of discipline, or being able to think on your feet and react. (I personally had a problem with that, and I played in the era where you just killed the man with the ball, literally, with rocks and clubs, and maybe flint or broken bone shards.)

Seriously, there could be teamwork or trust problems, or all of the above. Hellfire, someone inferred that ND players should be smarter than Bama players, maybe, regardless of intelligence, with the overall load of working in real classes, it effectively depletes much more intelligence than at a school where you take basket-weaving.

Regardless, the right personnel wasn't there, the personnel that was there, wasn't used well all the time, and injuries correlated with late season drop-offs in productivity.

As far as this young man and what he was told, there could be a whole range of nuance to the issues involved. Unlike others that play more than one sport, he may be more like Bubba Sterling, and show a decided preference for baseball. Or at least have given the coaches some pause to consider his dedication to football over baseball. Especially if the coaches got some indication that he may not be confident in being able to do both.

In other words, this kid may have presented a totally different situation to the coaches than we are getting from his report. I once was interviewing candidates for a more advanced position under my oversight. So when I got to 'the candidate,' the guy everyone considered a no brainer for the position, as he sat in my office, he started rearranging things. Constantly. Nothing big. But nothing could be left the same. So I set him up with a second interview, and positive kudo's for the interview he had done. I MMPed him. And had an industrial psychologist I had a good relationship with conduct part of the second interview. He shook his head no.

Turned out this guy really wanted to run things. Everything. Just a small tell, but I caught it. Everyone criticized me including my boss for passing. Another manager scooped him up and enthusiastically put him in a similar position. Fired the guy five months later.

This is an extreme example, but things are not always what they seem.

 

[BobbyMac]

So Bama does it with a complex system & dumber players.

Michigan St does it with lower rated players who I'd assume, a lower rated in the classroom also.

BC leads the nation with 2 & 3 star players.

What are you guys saying?

 

[NDdomer2]

Because Saban can actually teach his players the defense.

So then the issue isn't actually how difficult the defense is (which is what all the complaints I read state), its that ND coaches are incapable of teaching it?

 

[KPENN]

Per Loy, calling the staff tonight to tell them he's no longer interested in playing plaing baseball in college.

 

[ACamp1900]

Per Loy, calling the staff tonight to tell them he's no longer interested in playing two sports in college.

what other sport was he playing... or is he giving up football???

 

[KPENN]

what other sport was he playing... or is he giving up football???

Was planning on playing football/baseball, giving up baseball.

 

[ACamp1900]

thx sir

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I predict he gives up Baseball then shortly after, ND offers then shortly after he commits to ND. Ovie, Bauer, Gant - our LB crew for '18 would be sexy.

 

[KPENN]

thx sir

My bad on it not being clear. I typed part out and copy/pasted some.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Is this the kid that loy just put in a crystal ball for?

 

[BobbyMac]

Is this the kid that loy just put in a crystal ball for?

Yep.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yep.

Thanks bro

Also see that wiltfong just threw one down in our favor today as well

 

[ACamp1900]

2018 class is starting to look boss hog,... this is a sure fire sign that the upcoming season is going to be a total train wreck.

 

[GreyWorm]

I predict he gives up Baseball then shortly after, ND offers then shortly after he commits to ND. Ovie, Bauer, Gant - our LB crew for '18 would be sexy.

Interesting.

 

[BobbyMac]

Let's just get this little formality out of the way right now.

BOOM!

 

[BobbyMac]

When peer pressure works for the common good.

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[ResLife Hero]

His sophomore tape is REALLY good. Hope the staff closes on this one.