Game of Thrones

[zelezo vlk]

Here's an /r/asoiaf theory arguing: (1) that Syrio = Jaqen; and (2) that we didn't actually see Arya get stabbed last night, but Jaqen glamoured to look like Arya.

It's a reach, but it does make me wonder about the Arya scenes last night. She acts pretty strangely.

The more I read this and the more I thought about the Arya scenes, there are only 2 explanations. 1. Somebody is trying to trick the waif or 2. Bad writing.

I'd say it's 50/50

 

[ND NYC]

if that's the case (Jaqen=syrio=stabbed arya) then this is all getting pretty f-ing ridiculous...

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I'm not into the lore much, just watch for entertainment value. I've found this season extremely boring, it doesn't help that I binged watch the show week before last season ended. Going week 2 week is meh. The whole Jon snow I'm back from the dead, but it's not a big deal I'm just a soft spoken sweet fella is a turn off. Toggle on some fucking badass I was dead give me your army or I'll fuck you up

 

[Henges24]

Can any of you guys confirm that HBO Go works abroad? I guess I could Google it myself, just curious if anyone has actually used the app themselves while overseas.

LAX, not sure if you found a website but go to Alluc.eu.

The domain may have changed but if you type that in it will redirect you to the correct site.

 

[phillyirish]

I think it's a well thought out theory, but still far fetched. Also I believe it's implied with the removing of the faces from the dead that the Faceless men only assume the appearance of those who have died.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

if that's the case (Jaqen=syrio=stabbed arya) then this is all getting pretty f-ing ridiculous...

I'm not sold on it either, but Arya was acting out-of-character prior to the Waif's attack. Put another way, I don't buy the author's conclusions, but he makes a pretty strong case that that wasn't Arya we watched get stabbed last night.

I think it's a well thought out theory, but still far fetched. Also I believe it's implied with the removing of the faces from the dead that the Faceless men only assume the appearance of those who have died.

That's not the case, at least not in the show. Right before Arya goes blind in Season 5, she's pulling faces off what she assumed was Jaqen's body, one of which is her own.

 

[greyhammer90]

Just got to watch. One of my favorite episodes of the entire series. Might honestly be my favorite. If they had kept up this pace the whole series the show would have been much better. Just so much to like:

-HOUND
-Wildling counsel
-Lady Mormont
-Queen of Thorns putting Cersei on blast
-Margaery being devious as fuck
-Jamie in the riverruns
-Arya getting stabbed

AND Bronn is back and making jokes?

I'm a fan, stop servicing me so hard show.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm not sold on it either, but Arya was acting out-of-character prior to the Waif's attack. Put another way, I don't buy the author's conclusions, but he makes a pretty strong case that that wasn't Arya we watched get stabbed last night.

I believe it to be Arya but she's simply leading the Waif into a trap. I do think Jaqen may be in on it as well for whatever reason.

But, here's my question, assuming Syrio = Jaqen, is it possible Ned Stark knew this and 'hired' him from the beginning? They do cross paths in Season 1...possibly on purpose.

Just spitballing here.

 

[NOLAIrish]

if that's the case (Jaqen=syrio=stabbed arya) then this is all getting pretty f-ing ridiculous...

It would be pretty ironic if it turns out that the author most famous for capriciously killing off his beloved characters couldn't actually bring himself to keep them dead.

 

[ND NYC]

It would be pretty ironic if it turns out that the author most famous for capriciously killing off his beloved characters couldn't actually bring himself to keep them dead.

no doubt.

I'm all for second chances, and I appreciate this is all fiction set in a place where magic rules the day, but when every single major character in this opus is becoming un-dead, un-killed, resurrected, killed by themselves and then killed again by the same person who isn't really wasn't them to begin with it just gives me buyers remorse for all the time spent reading all the books and now watching the series.

Things are getting too hokey...and LSH hasn't even showed up yet. Count me in the Nights Kings Camp--its time to once and for all lay waste to all these murdering, whoring, boozing, lying, incestuous li'l bastard kids of all the major houses running Westeros into the ground

 

[dublinirish]

Bronn has all the best lines, seriously he was like a quote machine. WTF they not use him for half the season already?!

 

[NOLAIrish]

Do we know who Sansa was writing to? Littlefinger?

Reddit has screen-captured the letter and puzzled out most of the text (obviously, don't click this unless you don't mind the minor spoiler):

Link

 

[beryirish]

Reddit has screen-captured the letter and puzzled out most of the text (obviously, don't click this unless you don't mind the minor spoiler):

Link

Can you paste it in the thread with a SPOLIER ALERT caption - I can't open it at work.

...I guess that means I should be working.

 

[woolybug25]

Reddit has screen-captured the letter and puzzled out most of the text (obviously, don't click this unless you don't mind the minor spoiler):

Link

That link isn't working for me.

 

[wizards8507]

That link isn't working for me.

Whiskey put a screen cap in the ASoIaF thread.

 

[johnnycando]

Tonight's episode was interesting.

Arya threw down the punk card.

 

[ThePiombino]

Tonight's episode was interesting.

Arya threw down the punk card.

Wasn't a fan of the sequence, seemed kind of cheesy, but definitely a fan of the outcome and its implications.

 

[gkIrish]

Saw something on TheRinger.com today that I had not thought about:

If Cersei were to lose her trial, wouldn't that mean she was guilty of incest and therefore Tommen was not the rightful heir to the throne?

Assuming the High Sparrow wants to keep his puppet on the throne, doesn't he need to ensure Cersei is found not guilty?

 

[Wild Bill]

Saw something on TheRinger.com today that I had not thought about:

If Cersei were to lose her trial, wouldn't that mean she was guilty of incest and therefore Tommen was not the rightful heir to the throne?

Assuming the High Sparrow wants to keep his puppet on the throne, doesn't he need to ensure Cersei is found not guilty?

Isn't she on trial for having an incestuous affair with lancel?

 

[GoIrish41]

Isn't she on trial for having an incestuous affair with lancel?

And killing Robert.

 

[phillyirish]

Saw something on TheRinger.com today that I had not thought about:

If Cersei were to lose her trial, wouldn't that mean she was guilty of incest and therefore Tommen was not the rightful heir to the throne?

Assuming the High Sparrow wants to keep his puppet on the throne, doesn't he need to ensure Cersei is found not guilty?

Or..... Tommen would be declared illegitimate and there would be no close relatives/strong claimants alive. Since the crown and faith are the pillars of the kingdom that could effectively knock out the crown of the picture leaving the faith as the de facto rulers of the realm.

Not sure this is the High Sparrows angle but would be awesome to see all his intrigue lead to this.

 

[Irish YJ]

And killing Robert.

She could Fxxx up everything by admitting her relationship with her brother.

I still think we'll see the Mountain Fxxx some stuff up in her defense and she'll escape. The High Sparrow is on my list as likely to die in the next two episodes.

 

[gkIrish]

Isn't she on trial for having an incestuous affair with lancel?

I thought she was on trial for everything. But who knows.

 

[wizards8507]

I thought she was on trial for everything. But who knows.

In the books the High Septon specifically calls out that Tommen is allegedly a child of incest with Jamie. Cersei doesn't confess to that part so it's not part of her walk of atonement but will be part of her trial. No idea how that translates to Showsteros.

 

[woolybug25]

Saw something on TheRinger.com today that I had not thought about:

If Cersei were to lose her trial, wouldn't that mean she was guilty of incest and therefore Tommen was not the rightful heir to the throne?

Assuming the High Sparrow wants to keep his puppet on the throne, doesn't he need to ensure Cersei is found not guilty?

Why would incest make him not the rightful heir to the throne? The entire Targarean bloodline ruled for thousands of years with incest being an almost expected thing.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Why would incest make him not the rightful heir to the throne? The entire Targarean bloodline ruled for thousands of years with incest being an almost expected thing.

Well the Baratheon family is dead in the show, but that would mean that the Lannisters would have outright claim for the Iron Throne if everyone would allow Tommen to be King. I doubt that would happen without concessions/conflict etc. so you know, shit's gonna go down yo

 

[GATTACA!]

Why would incest make him not the rightful heir to the throne? The entire Targarean bloodline ruled for thousands of years with incest being an almost expected thing.

Probably because his claim to the throne was his Baratheon blood not Lannister.

 

[woolybug25]

Well the Baratheon family is dead in the show, but that would mean that the Lannisters would have outright claim for the Iron Throne if everyone would allow Tommen to be King. I doubt that would happen without concessions/conflict etc. so you know, shit's gonna go down yo

There's gonna be conflict no matter what, there are a bunch of people that feel they have claim to the throne right now. That's literally the plot of the show.

What I'm saying is that the incest of the Lannisters doesn't have any impact on any of that. Outside of Robert Baratheon, the kingdom has been ruled by children of incest almost exclusively for thousands of years.

 

[woolybug25]

Probably because his claim to the throne was his Baratheon blood not Lannister.

Now I get it. Thanks. That makes sense.

Edit - I didn't think of it, but the more I think of it, why does that matter anyway? Technically, Robert didn't have right to the throne either. He took it with the assassination of the Mad King. At this point in the storyline. The Lannister bloodline is what gives him the "right". I mean, let's be real, nobody not named Targarean is taking the throne by force. Incest is moot to that point.

 

[phork]

There was a big long reddit about successor to the throne and it ends up being Lancel. Frankly once the Wildfire goes, it'll be the first person to touch the throne, lol.

Lancel Lannister will be the next person to sit the Iron Throne.
/u/faegontheconquerer, you're crazy!!
Crazy like a fox.
Let's say Cercei either loses the trial by combat (which admittedly is somewhat unlikely given the Qyborg Robert Strong), or is somehow outted as using a blood magic zombie which nullifies the trial (more likely) which would not sit well with the High Septon/Sparrow who's power is growing rapidly. Cercei's children are now de-legitimized, so the last valid ruler was King Robert. Who is next in line?
Baratheon:
Robert - Dead
Renly - Dead
Stannis - worships a foreign God, I don't see the new High Sparrow annointing someone who has literally burned the faith of the 7 let me know if there are any cousins in the mix, I am unaware of any.
Typically rule is not passed through the female line, but given the lack of Baratheons it may be necessary:
Lannister: Tywin - Dead
Cercei - exposed as a fraud or loses her trial and is beheaded (speculation obviously, but this is the basic assumption of this post feel free to poke holes in it)
Jaime - Member of the kingsguard and shows no ambition for ruling besides
Tyrion - guilty of regicide, is currently on the lamb
Joffrey Waters - Dead
Tommen Waters - is recognized as a bastard
Myrcella Waters - also recognized as a bastard
Genna Lannister - Alive, but is a woman and a Frey
Tion Frey (son of Genna) - Killed by Rickard Karstark
Cleos Frey (son of Genna) - Killed by his horse after Vargo & co. attempt to catch Jaime and Brienne
Genna had two other sons killed in the war of five kings
Kevan - Killed by Varys' crossbow for being too competent
Lancel Lannister - Alive and Kickin'! Well, alive at least.