'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

[Booslum31]

Pine-Richland will open football season on ESPN | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

August 27th Phil will be on ESPN against St. Edwards.

That's awsome! I'm going to go to that game.

 

[Domina Nostra]

hes actually a stud basketball player as well, has a few offers

There is a lot of chatter among NFL QB scouts that suggests that the kids who quit all other sports, hire a tutor, and are 100% QB all the time, aren't actually the best prospects. They become robots, don't develop the same kind of all-around athleticism, and can actually learn bad habits if the coaching isn't perfect.

I think Kizer is a perfect example of a big, smart, athletic kid whose benefited from a well-rounded resume.

 

[dublinirish]

There is a lot of chatter among NFL QB scouts that suggests that the kids who quit all other sports, hire a tutor, and are 100% QB all the time, aren't actually the best prospects. They become robots, don't develop the same kind of all-around athleticism, and can actually learn bad habits if the coaching isn't perfect.

I think Kizer is a perfect example of a big, smart, athletic kid whose benefited from a well-rounded resume.

i guess there's a happy medium, not being a robo-QB is all and good but you can't have a funky throwing motion ala tebow or vince young

 

[GowerND11]

There is a lot of chatter among NFL QB scouts that suggests that the kids who quit all other sports, hire a tutor, and are 100% QB all the time, aren't actually the best prospects. They become robots, don't develop the same kind of all-around athleticism, and can actually learn bad habits if the coaching isn't perfect.

I think Kizer is a perfect example of a big, smart, athletic kid whose benefited from a well-rounded resume.

Just like how you shouldn't lift everyday of the week, you shouldn't limit yourself to one sport all year long. It's healthy for both your mind and body to take a break and do something else for a few months. I'm a firm believer in playing multiple sports help improve ability in other sports. You still clearly need to work hard on each individual sport, but you can take what you do on the basketball court, and apply it to the football field. (Same can be said for any sport really)

 

[NorthDakota]

i guess there's a happy medium, not being a robo-QB is all and good but you can't have a funky throwing motion ala tebow or vince young

Challenge accepted.

 

[ACamp1900]

i guess there's a happy medium, not being a robo-QB is all and good but you can't have a funky throwing motion ala tebow or vince young

Bernie Kosar had a different throwing motion... worked well enough for him...

 

[Rizzophil]

There is a lot of chatter among NFL QB scouts that suggests that the kids who quit all other sports, hire a tutor, and are 100% QB all the time, aren't actually the best prospects. They become robots, don't develop the same kind of all-around athleticism, and can actually learn bad habits if the coaching isn't perfect.

I think Kizer is a perfect example of a big, smart, athletic kid whose benefited from a well-rounded resume.

Not saying this isn't true but Monday Morning quarterback just said the opposite after interviewing qb coaches, high school coaches, and camp coordinators.

 

[dublinirish]

Not saying this isn't true but Monday Morning quarterback just said the opposite after interviewing qb coaches, high school coaches, and camp coordinators.

Peter King? the guy is a total douche.

 

[RDU Irish]

Urban Meyer recruits a disproportionate number of multi-sport athletes. I like them and the late adopters - if you can come in HS without any experience in a sport, pick it up and dominate in short order - that is a lot more impressive to me than the ones that have been groomed and trained from birth. Not that they can't both be great prospects but I think the late adopter/multi-sport guy has more upside.

I think Meyer's theory also has basis in actual competition. FB players are not really put in that many "keeping score" real situations. Killer instinct is not fueled but for a handful of games in the fall and kids wanting to go beat someone year round at anything counts for something.

 

[Irish#1]

Peter King? the guy is a total douche.

I think he was referring to:
Peter "I stopped at this quaint bistro off of 3rd avenue on the upper east side and had a wonderful lightly bodied Ethiopian brewed decaf" King.


It's sad that so many kids only play one sport anymore. I agree that playing multiple sports makes the kid a better athlete. Not only do they uses their muscles somewhat differently, but they have to think differently. Keeps them sharp and more focused IMO.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Not saying this isn't true but Monday Morning quarterback just said the opposite after interviewing qb coaches, high school coaches, and camp coordinators.

The NFL guys I was reading were talking about the discrepancy between who is projected to be the best QBs coming out of high school, and who actually develops into the best pro prospects.

Their point was that not only do the services totally discount a bunch of kids way too early (based on incomplete physical development), but they talked about how the kids that didn't get as much attention early in high school, and were able to develop a little more naturally while playing other sports (especially basketball), ended up developing better athletic and game instincts.

To use an extreme example, compare Jimmy Clausen and Russell Wilson--a 5-star vs. 2-star recruit.

But I have little doubt that the highly trained kids are better at reading defenses and some of the other technical aspects.

 

[GreyWorm]

Back to the subject.

Jurkovec Ready to Recruit and Talks Commitment - Irish Sports Daily

 

[ginman]

This threads beeen due for a cleanup, ur attempts may go unheard.

indeed

 

[Irish2155]

Back to the subject.

Jurkovec Ready to Recruit and Talks Commitment - Irish Sports Daily

Thank you.

 

[Irish#1]

He came back on his own dime with his family wanting to give his commitment face to face. I don't think he's a risk to flip.

 

[koonja]

Only way he flips is if we have a coaching change IMO. And even then it's not a given.

 

[ab2cmiller]

He came back on his own dime with his family wanting to give his commitment face to face. I don't think he's a risk to flip.

Plus he was planning on waiting to tell them later in the visit, but he said he was only on campus 10 minutes and he couldn't take it anymore, he had to tell them. When I heard that, I figured that this kid truly loves Notre Dame.

 

[Booslum31]

Plus he was planning on waiting to tell them later in the visit, but he said he was only on campus 10 minutes and he couldn't take it anymore, he had to tell them. When I heard that, I figured that this kid truly loves Notre Dame.

Love to hear this. I think he's going to have a huge impact on the '18 recruiting class.

 

[PANDFAN]

while A LOT of what he has been saying is very close to things blake barnett said...the 2 BIG differences are that 1. he isn't from cali and 2. he has a bunch of guys that are committed from his area...not to mention his relationship w/ sanford

 

[ab2cmiller]

Love it
Pine-Richland star quarterback Phil Jurkovec commits to Notre Dame | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Notre Dame has landed a prized quarterback from Western Pennsylvania.

Pine-Richland’s Phil Jurkovec, rated the No. 1 sophomore quarterback in the country by 247sports.com, made a verbal commitment Monday to Notre Dame. He committed to the Fighting Irish while he and his family were visiting the school.

“It fits everything I’m looking for — college, the whole education and football,” Jurkovec said. “It’s a mix between great football, tradition, great academics and spiritual.”

Jurkovec had a number of scholarship offers from colleges across the country, including Pitt, Penn State, Ohio State and Alabama. When asked how long Notre Dame has been his favorite, Jurkovec said, “for most of my life.”

Last season, Jurkovec became the second WPIAL quarterback to throw for 2,000 yards and rush for 1,000 in a season.

 

[NDty9]

while A LOT of what he has been saying is very close to things blake barnett said...the 2 BIG differences are that 1. he isn't from cali and 2. he has a bunch of guys that are committed from his area...not to mention his relationship w/ sanford

I agree, I don't see this kid having the same outcome as Flake Barnett (Sorry, had to). He and Sanford really seem to have a connection.

My ONLY worry would be if/when Sanford gets that head coaching job and leaves us, which others have mentioned. However, i feel like his love for the school itself will keep him with us!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I am not sure Sanford will leave ND anytime soon. Think about it, with his success, even if someone like Denbrock is named head coach next, he could be moved up and inherit the keys when he is what? Forty? -ish?

Another thing that is markedly different between the Jurkovec and Barnett recruitment is the dads. I don't even have the slightest impression of Phil's dad, but I find myself forced to defend his honor and the hint of a comparison with Blake Barnett's dad. Blake's dad is obviously a guy looking for the bbd, constantly.*


* without the kind of moral compass or scruples to keep that steamroller in check.

 

[BobbyMac]

while A LOT of what he has been saying is very close to things blake barnett said...the 2 BIG differences are that 1. he isn't from cali and 2. he has a bunch of guys that are committed from his area...not to mention his relationship w/ sanford

Being from Cali is not a negative. ND's pulled the #1 QB in the country out of here twice in the past decade. Brian Polian did it twice in 12 months. I used to work in Pittsburgh, LA is a lot like WPa, lot's of Catholics and lots of lifelong ND fans.

I am not sure Sanford will leave ND anytime soon. Think about it, with his success, even if someone like Denbrock is named head coach next, he could be moved up and inherit the keys when he is what? Forty? -ish?

Another thing that is markedly different between the Jurkovec and Barnett recruitment is the dads. I don't even have the slightest impression of Phil's dad, but I find myself forced to defend his honor and the hint of a comparison with Blake Barnett's dad. Blake's dad is obviously a guy looking for the bbd, constantly.*


* without the kind of moral compass or scruples to keep that steamroller in check.

Denbrock's not getting promoted to HC when CBK leaves for the NFL.

Barnett's Dad made the right choice for them. Everybody knew if Oregon came calling he was probably gonna go. That was his favorite team and he seemingly fit well into the post Mariotta world with his skill set. They did and that's when ND lost the commitment. After that, Bama stepped in and the talk of Oregon getting grad transfers to come in (which they have now done two years in a row) swung the pendulum towards Bama where in the end, he has a much better chance of playing than he would have if he went to South Bend and held a clipboard until MZ and DK left.

Now, he better make the NFL and make lots of $$$ or it reverts back to a bad decision to skip ND because an ND diploma in LA/OC/IE will provide you for life whereas being a probation officer in Mobile starts off at $27k per.

 

[brewdog_14527]

I am not sure Sanford will leave ND anytime soon. Think about it, with his success, even if someone like Denbrock is named head coach next, he could be moved up and inherit the keys when he is what? Forty? -ish?

Another thing that is markedly different between the Jurkovec and Barnett recruitment is the dads. I don't even have the slightest impression of Phil's dad, but I find myself forced to defend his honor and the hint of a comparison with Blake Barnett's dad. Blake's dad is obviously a guy looking for the bbd, constantly.*


* without the kind of moral compass or scruples to keep that steamroller in check.

Does Sanford have to have some head coaching experience before being given the keys to ND? I agree that he will be head coach here at some point, but I just wonder after the Charlie debacle if they will give the job to a coach that has no head coaching experience? At least, though, Sanford has a world of College football experience, so maybe that will count for something.

 

[PANDFAN]

Being from Cali is not a negative. ND's pulled the #1 QB in the country out of here twice in the past decade. Brian Polian did it twice in 12 months. I used to work in Pittsburgh, LA is a lot like WPa, lot's of Catholics and lots of lifelong ND fans.

1. not a negative but ALWAYS an uphill battle and also to keep the commitment
2. yes and that was with Weis, the qb God at the time
3. Brian Polian was great, but it was the allure of charlie and his rings...dayne also had higher aspirations w/ the degree
4. the city mentality however is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT of pitt and LA

 

[BobbyMac]

Does Sanford have to have some head coaching experience before being given the keys to ND? I agree that he will be head coach here at some point, but I just wonder after the Charlie debacle if they will give the job to a coach that has no head coaching experience? At least, though, Sanford has a world of College football experience, so maybe that will count for something.

Yes. No more Davie's, no more Charlie's. Not my opinion, this is a real position by the University.

 

[BobbyMac]

1. not a negative but ALWAYS an uphill battle and also to keep the commitment
2. yes and that was with Weis, the qb God at the time
3. Brian Polian was great, but it was the allure of charlie and his rings...dayne also had higher aspirations w/ the degree
4. the city mentality however is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT of pitt and LA

You can say anything you want but until you live here, attend Catholic League games on a weekly basis and see the shocking amount of ND gear people wear on a daily basis, you will have that opinion.

And btw, ND faces an uphill battle EVERYWHERE except maybe Indy or Chicago but they are the 2nd, 3rd, 4th option in a lot of places like PA, NJ, Cincy, Cleveland, Detroit & SoCal... and the odds go up when the kid grew up Catholic or played at Catholic schools.

 

[zelezo vlk]

You can say anything you want but until you live here, attend Catholic League games on a weekly basis and see the shocking amount of ND gear people wear on a daily basis, you will have that opinion.

And btw, ND faces an uphill battle EVERYWHERE except maybe Indy or Chicago but they are the 2nd, 3rd, 4th option in a lot of places like PA, NJ, Cincy, Cleveland, Detroit & SoCal... and the odds go up when the kid grew up Catholic or played at Catholic schools.

Or has a brain...

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[Bogtrotter07]

Yes. No more Davie's, no more Charlie's. Not my opinion, this is a real position by the University.

ND football made a basic change over the last half-dozen years. It went from a charitable organization to a business (self-funding.)

If you look at something as simple as fund raising, donors are being asked to purchase life insurance naming ND Athletics as beneficiary, and the coaching positions are being paid for by outside sources, self-sustaining trusts, (endowments.)

The university will have less control over decisions than ever. We all know that the worst coaches were picked, and the best coaches fired because of the overlap of university and athletic interests.

Now that has subtly shifted. Decisions will be made on the basis of how they best meet the needs of the organization moving forward.

Denbrock may be the only guy considered for the job before Sanford. Do you really think Kelly will leave for the NFL? I'm kind of thinking he's got that out of his system. That would leave his biggest motivation as winning his second Natty. So I give him at least four years. But not much more. At 60-ish he still has some time to enjoy his family.

That would make MS, Jr., fortyish. The principle of it is that ND isn't going to let this guy leave if they think he is a super-star. They are going to structure a high incentive, lower starting pay contract that is easy(ier) for them to get out if he doesn't perform. His success would make him rich. However, the day of the long, incredible payouts of Willingham and Weis are gone. So hiring Stanford would be a very little risk, high reward proposition. And the idea of politics changing direction midstream, (firing Holtz, signing Weis to an incredible extension with little or no basis in performance just won't happen.

And finally, I love you man, but Blake's dad didn't make the best decision any step of the way. Not for the best interest of Blake. You admit as much in your apology for the man.

 

[BobbyMac]

Bog's I personally felt the same way as you when Sanford was hired and even more so, think Denbrock is a star.

The position I presented is from one of the boosters you mentioned.