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pkt77242

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I agree that's a major problem with the NC law. If we're going to hold this increasingly polarized republic together, we're going to have to respect the rights of distinct electorates to self-determination.



That's a strong indicator that: (1) sexual orientation and gender "identification" are not analogous to race; and (2) the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is ill-suited to handling these issues.



As I mentioned above, I'm not defending these laws as the most prudent way of addressing the issue of civil rights for the gender dysphoric, but by ascribing evil motives to your political opponents, you're part of the problem as well.



That's laughable. Virtually every such recent conflict has originated from a top-down Federal mandate seeking to normalize some Progressive idea, against which social and religious conservatives have to scramble for accommodation. Your side is clearly the aggressor.

I rather disagree. When people are being fired for being LGBT that is the start of the aggression. When states pass amendment to ban gay people from getting married that is being the aggressor. Fighting for things that you are being denied (or that is actively being taken away from you) isn't being the aggressor.
 

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When people are being fired for being LGBT that is the start of the aggression.
Bullshit. If it's ever happened it's almost impossibly rare.

When states pass amendment to ban gay people from getting married that is being the aggressor.
Marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay couples can't get married by the definition of the word.
 

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Wow. How many trans are there in your community?

I know of a few, and maybe 2 school aged kids who identify as such


Would it be fiscally reasonable to establish a Charter school for the gender dysphoric? If so, what federal or state laws would apply or may be superseded the others?

No. We are talking 1 or 2 tenths of 1 percent of people, and only a portion of those are school aged kids. Not sure I would want that anyway...isn't the point here to find acceptable means to make these kids feel comfortable...herding them into their own school is probably not a good idea. The issue is, can we support them w/o stressing the entire education system? And the reality is, people are going to force huge capital expenditures to protect their kids' privacy. Me, I could give a shit less if some woman who thinks she is a dude stands at a urinal next to me and pisses all over her feet...just don't get it on me. I indeed have a problem forcing my daughters to share a restroom or locker room with males. It is just a monumentally stupid idea, with multiple issues ignored, not the least of which is privacy. Who is going to pay the medical bills when the epidemic of girls with kidney and bladder problems erupts from this because they won't use the restrooms at school...mark my words.

Would separate bathrooms preclude future changes in individual dysphoria?

What we've discussed is elimination of separate bathrooms if this horeshit is actually enforced. We'd retrofit them all...locker rooms as well. Where there are stalls there would be walls floor to ceiling with doors. Sinks would still be in common area. Locker rooms would have 20+ units as follows, walls floor to ceiling, 1 shower, 1 sink, 1 shelf, 1 toilet, Door. Code of conduct TBD. All of this, of course thwarts fire warning systems, so each suite would need to be equipped so deaf students could see a light flashing, etc. All the ADA trimmings. The cost is knee-buckling. So my answer to your question...sure Jaimee could be James or whatever on any given day with no impact to him/herself or anyone else....although I don't think it works that way.

Would conservative gender dysphorics need to sue to gain admission?
Hope not since I am conservative, and thinking about becoming a lesbian...and if I contribute to the fund to retrofit my kids schools as needs done, I'd hope I could use whatever facility I want ;. Just me paying for Liberal largess again...SMDH.
 

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Answer the question and don't change the subject.

Where do you want a trans female (with a penis) to shower after gym class?

Why are you bullying him when your question was answered in the other thread that you posted this same question? Why don't you respond in that thread?

Bullshit. If it's ever happened it's almost impossibly rare

You're joking, right? You do know that it wasn't even against the law to discriminate people on their sexual orientation until 2015, right? You do realize that it's still legal in many states, right?

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Marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay couples can't get married by the definition of the word.

Well the legal definition of the word disagrees with you.
 

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Bullshit. If it's ever happened it's almost impossibly rare.
That is funny. We have plenty of religious/social conservatives who don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding, or be a photographer for a gay wedding or even large companies that don't want to pay for birth control because it is against their beliefs but you actually believe that these people/companies would retain an employee who is gay?

Hell there are many high profile cases were people were fired for being LGBT, including a management analyst for the Library of Congress and a legislative editor for the Georgia General assembly.
Marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay couples can't get married by the definition of the word.
Definitions change, that was the definition of marriage. Next you will tell me that they can have civil unions instead.
Simple Definition of marriage

: the relationship that exists between a husband and a wife

: a similar relationship between people of the same sex
 

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That is funny. We have plenty of religious/social conservatives who don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding, or be a photographer for a gay wedding or even large companies that don't want to pay for birth control because it is against their beliefs but you actually believe that these people/companies would retain an employee who is gay? .

They would have never hired them in the first place
 

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Missouri, as much as I don't care for it (see my avatar), has Kansas City. That's a great city.

True. But, as you probably know, the Kansas side of Kansas City is suffering.

Kansas' Never-Ending Budget Mess
The state is short of money yet again, thanks in part to a tax cut its governor won’t touch.

The state’s fiscal woes have been a recurring theme during the two-term tenure of Governor Sam Brownback, who ushered in a series of deep tax cuts after taking office and has been watching them blow a hole in the budget ever since. The latest bad news came on Wednesday, when the Kansas budget office reported that because of missed tax revenue projections, the state now faces a shortfall of more than $290 million over the next 15 months. Brownback, a conservative Republican, responded in the same way he did when confronted with a similar budget gap last year: by refusing to revisit the generous tax breaks he won five years ago, even in the face of a Republican revolt.

especially acute if you have kids

Johnson County parents see a growing threat to public schools

The high court demanded that lawmakers enact a new financial formula by June 30, the end of the fiscal year, or “the schools in Kansas will be unable to operate” because no satisfactory structure would be in place to fund them.

The justices may yet reject the fix that the Legislature sped through last week. If they agree to it, funds for the coming fiscal year essentially will be frozen at 2015-16 levels and districts such as Shawnee Mission will escape with “the best scenario we’re going to have,” said Superintendent Jim Hinson.

And it’s just a one-year fix, so expect more of the same uncertainty next year.

Student protestors rally against Kansas transgender bathroom bills

The bills are identical and say “parents have a reasonable expectation that public schools in this state will not allow their minor children to be viewed in various states of undress by members of the opposite sex, nor allow their minor children to view members of the opposite sex in various states of undress.” The bills would allow transgender students to request alternative facilities, with permission of parents or guardians. Schools would then evaluate the request and make accommodations “to the extent reasonable,” which might include access to single-stall or unisex bathrooms.

The bills define sex as “the physical condition of being male or female, which is determined by a person’s chromosomes, and is identified at birth by a person’s anatomy.”

The bills also provide that any aggrieved student who encounters someone of the opposite sex in a school bathroom or locker room can receive up to $2,500 in damages, plus monetary damages for emotional or psychological harm suffered and compensation for attorney’s fees.
 

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Oh, the state of Kansas is a mess. Brownback has made sure of that. He's going hard after schools and arts.
 

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Oh, the state of Kansas is a mess. Brownback has made sure of that. He's going hard after schools and arts.

and a legislature where both houses are controlled by one party, failed policies, lawsuits to the Supreme Court, voter i.d. laws, bathroom laws, etc.

ACLU: Two-thirds of new Kansas voter registrations on hold
WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — Voting rolls in Kansas are in "chaos" because of the state's proof-of-citizenship requirements, the American Civil Liberties Union has argued in a court document, noting that about two-thirds of new voter registration applicationssubmitted during a three-week period in February are on hold.

Kansas is fending off multiple legal challenges from voting rights activists, and just months before the state's August primary, the status of the "dual registration" system remains unclear. Federal judges in separate voter-registration lawsuits unfolding in Kansas and Washington, D.C., could rule at any time. There's also greater urgency because registrations typically surge during an election year.

Kansas is one of four states, along with Georgia, Alabama and Arizona, to require documentary proof of citizenship — such as a birth certificate, passport or naturalization papers — to register to vote. Under Kansas' challenged system, voters who registered using a federal form, which hadn't required proof of U.S. citizenship, could only vote in federal races and not in state or local races. Kansas says it will keep the dual voting system in place for upcoming elections if the courts allow its residents to register to vote either with a federal form or at motor vehicle offices without providing proof of citizenship.


The barbeque is unparalleled though.
 
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The Voter Support Agency Accused of Suppressing Votes

The agency’s executive director, Brian D. Newby, had been in his job less than three months in January when he unilaterally reversed a policy that the body’s commissioners, two Democrats and two Republicans, had endorsed since the agency’s creation in 2002: that people registering to vote need offer no proof, beyond swearing an oath, that they are American citizens.

That decision gave Kansas, Georgia and Alabama officials a blessing to alter the federal voter registration applications handed out in motor vehicle offices and many other state agencies, replacing the oath with something stiffer: a demand for proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate.

There was but one problem, critics say: Mr. Newby had no authority to make policy, a power reserved for the agency’s four commissioners.

Mr. Newby calls his decision an administrative matter, not policy. He has said that he did not change the registration form, but merely its instructions, although federal administrative code calls the instructions part of the form.
 

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This is a hard one for me. I don't like the idea of a 12yo boy with a penis showering with a girl. Of course if you have shower stalls, you remove that issue (as it seems that more and more schools are going that direction. If you have shower stalls, I am not sure it is that much different from using a bathroom (for that matter with all of the teachers/students over the years getting in trouble for watching people shower it is kind of weird that we still have communal showers). Without shower stalls it becomes an issue. I probably wouldn't want a 12yo with a penis showering with my daughter in a communal shower.

So the poor trans kids, whose schools can't afford the added expense of individual shower stalls, just get left behind? It's ok to "discriminate" against them, because they are poor?*


* - I certainly don't believe you are saying that, but that is the kind of thing that many liberals hurl at conservatives who suggest just what you are suggesting.
 

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So the poor trans kids, whose schools can't afford the added expense of individual shower stalls, just get left behind? It's ok to "discriminate" against them, because they are poor?*


* - I certainly don't believe you are saying that, but that is the kind of thing that many liberals hurl at conservatives who suggest just what you are suggesting.

...I see the retrofit costs, and projected maintenance costs in my kids' district, and it is truly gut turning. But parents will force it (rightfully so) if it is obvious the Federal government intends to force this trans toilet "pick em". And no, parents I spoke with will not accept "dividers". My good hell, think about it...if parents don't allow their female and male kids to operate at home with "stalls" for privacy, why the hell would they think thats OK at school? They are demanding floor to ceiling privacy with doors. And it will be so. So how will inner city schools provide similar...they won't, but we'll most assuredly hear about its impact, and how it is the fault of conservatives because no one will remember how, or who brought this kooky shit about. Just that there is disparity, so there is some ism in there to hang on someone....but it is never liberal"ism".
 

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Now, which is better.....Arkansas or Missouri? Remember, you don't need to be the fastest, you need to just avoid being the slowest.


Arkansas has diamonds. Missouri has throwed rolls.

Also, Memphis has the best BBQ, and West Memphis is in Arkansas, eregoipsofactoetc, I rest my case.
 

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This is from my hometown:

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Bullshit. If it's ever happened it's almost impossibly rare.

You cannot be serious with this. Do you not see how fucking insane people are, and how batshit backwards people are when it comes to things like this? I mean, it's one thing to disagree with homosexuality because of your beliefs or whatever (I don't agree at all but to each his own), but to be completely blind to the bigotry is, well, I mean, c'mon man. You gotta get outside your bubble.
Marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay couples can't get married by the definition of the word.

Edit: Others already dismantled this one.
 

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When this is a major issue in our presidential election, you know we have problems.
I wouldn't classify it as a major issue in the race. Anyone who feels strongly one way or the other is already voting party lines. Most so-called "moderates" probably don't care either way.
 
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