2016 Presidential Horse Race

[wizards8507]

Strange thing that the best case scenario for the #NeverTrump people is that Trump wins both Ohio and Florida tomorrow.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You're not alone. He's one of the biggest con artists in American history and the pundits who defend him can overlook and excuse anything. He is going to destroy this party and put the disgusting Clinton choice in office.

On this note, I'm pretty confident that all of Trumps supporters see his antics. They're angry, and they're letting their anger control their emotions and/or rationale (or lack thereof).

His supporters see what he is doing and...
1) Subconsciously love it.
2) Consciously love it.

Trumps hatred, demagoguery, xenophobia can't be any more obvious. They can see what he's doing, and they're down with it. So, his supporters aren't going to change any time soon.

He's got the Toby Keith fan base by the balls... (Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue reference, if anyone needed an explanation).

 

[wizards8507]

I think it pumps up the Donald's crowd more. "They want us weak. A weak America. The worst kind. Ungrateful punks. Already forgot World War 2. We have great soldiers, who here loves soldiers, God bless our soldiers. Let's make America great again people."

Yeah, but that won't work in the general election. 23% of the country identify as Republicans and Trump is winning 35% of those people. That means 8% of the voting population are Trump supporters.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Garry Kasparov: Hey, Bernie, Don’t Lecture Me About Socialism. I Lived Through It. - The Daily Beast

For a guy who is a stud as a game stressing logic, comparing his time in Russia/USSR and generalizing socialism is delusional.

A popular rebuttal is to invoke the socialist leanings of several European countries with high living standards, especially in Scandinavia. Why can’t America be more like happy Denmark, with its high taxes and giant public sector, or at least more like France? Even the more pro-free-market United Kingdom has national health care, after all. First off, comparing relatively small, homogeneous populations to the churning, ocean-spanning American giant is rarely useful. And even the most socialist of the European countries only became wealthy enough to embrace redistribution after free-market success made them rich. Still, why cannot America follow this path if that is what the people want? What is the problem if American voters are willing to accept higher taxes in exchange for greater security in the embrace of the government?

What does the homogeneity of a country have to do with anything? I'm in complete agreement that a program that works for Denmark should be met with caution considering their size, but I cannot accept that a program that works for a country like Germany, France, or UK cannot be scaled for the United States.

Regardless, there is diversity in public policy around the world. Germnay's health care is not very similar to Canada's, for example. But at the end of the day all of them have figured out a way to accomplish universal health care. No one is opting to approach the problem like the United States. If it were simply a matter of easing regulations and letting the private sector get after it so that the country benefits...why isn't anyone else doing that?

The answer takes us back to all those inventions America has produced decade after decade. As long as Europe had America taking risks, investing ambitiously, attracting the world’s dreamers and entrepreneurs, and yes, being unequal, it could benefit from the results without making the same sacrifices. Add to that the incalculable windfall of not having to spend on national defense thanks to America’s massive investment in a global security umbrella. America doesn’t have the same luxury of coasting on the ambition and sacrifice of another country.

So it sounds like conservatives need to start criticizing the free-loaders known as Europe. They get away with spending ~1.1% of GDP on defense, why? Because there is no motivation to get up and unify their militaries. Their only foe, Russia, has a GDP that is <10% of Europe's combined might, do they really need Uncle Sam to provide deterrent? Part of me thinks that they deserve to be overrun by Russian tanks if they can't muster enough resolve, their combined GDP is larger than the US, there is no excuse.

But his point doesn't make any sense in things like medicine. Medical advances generally aren't by some guy in his basement anymore. They are corporations/universities which have the wherewithal to operate labs, conduct experiments and get FDA passage. Suggested health care reforms, built on personal income tax increases, do not impact this. No one at Pfizer walks into the office and says "Well Dale the damn government is taxing me more so hold off on that groundbreaking drug that could make the corporation billions." It just doesn't work that way, a good business decision is a good business decision, the government being the middle man instead of insurance companies doesn't really impact that.

Who will be America’s America? What other nation could attract the brightest students, the biggest investors, the most ambitious entrepreneurs in the same way? Germany? Russia? Japan? China? India? Each may take over leadership in some areas if America continues to falter, but none is equipped to lead the world in innovation the way the United States has since Thomas Edison’s day. None possesses the combination of political and economic freedoms and the human and natural resources required.

This is a self-defeating paragraph, and really aids the argument of the Left. The Right always say if we tax the wealthy will leave or something. Yet this man correctly states that there is no where else in the world capable of supplanting our economic system.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I blame media and Twitter for most of the divisiveness and hatred. We have three different news channels constantly pointing fingers at the other side, talking about how screwed America is, and reporting every negative thing that happens 24/7. It rubbed off on the viewers and now we have a nation of voters who view the world through the hot take lenses of Fox News and MSNBC.

Wish someone would start an entertaining version of CSPAN that reports facts only.

The Young Turks. Warning: Progressive bias, but they pride themselves on reporting facts first. I've been listening to their podcats for awhile and numerous times, they've given a story and based on the facts defended the party/person who deemed it not because of bias, but because of facts.

I agree about mainstream media though. It's why I won't watch it and pretty much discredit any arguments based on their rhetoric. The internet is a 'take the good with the bad' place.

 

[drayer54]

Marco Rubio's #NeverTrump press conference goes viral a little too late


Best clip of this cycle.

 

[drayer54]

On this note, I'm pretty confident that all of Trumps supporters see his antics. They're angry, and they're letting their anger control their emotions and/or rationale (or lack thereof).

His supporters see what he is doing and...
1) Subconsciously love it.
2) Consciously love it.

Trumps hatred, demagoguery, xenophobia can't be any more obvious. They can see what he's doing, and they're down with it. So, his supporters aren't going to change any time soon.

He's got the Toby Keith fan base by the balls... (Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue reference, if anyone needed an explanation).

I'm hoping that a portion of them just wanted the businessman and now they see he is awful.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

New polls show Clinton's lead all but gone in Midwest states (still holding strong in FL and NC).

OH: Clinton +5
IL: Clinton +3
MO: Sanders +1

IIRC, Clinton (prior to last week's MI loss) held double digit leads in all states, some by as much as 30. "Not so fast!"

I'm going to predict Sanders wins (albeit by small margins) in all three of these states tomorrow. I still think Clinton takes FL and NC by a decent amount.

 

[Ndaccountant]

For a guy who is a stud as a game stressing logic, comparing his time in Russia/USSR and generalizing socialism is delusional.



What does the homogeneity of a country have to do with anything? I'm in complete agreement that a program that works for Denmark should be met with caution considering their size, but I cannot accept that a program that works for a country like Germany, France, or UK cannot be scaled for the United States.

Regardless, there is diversity in public policy around the world. Germnay's health care is not very similar to Canada's, for example. But at the end of the day all of them have figured out a way to accomplish universal health care. No one is opting to approach the problem like the United States. If it were simply a matter of easing regulations and letting the private sector get after it so that the country benefits...why isn't anyone else doing that?



So it sounds like conservatives need to start criticizing the free-loaders known as Europe. They get away with spending ~1.1% of GDP on defense, why? Because there is no motivation to get up and unify their militaries. Their only foe, Russia, has a GDP that is <10% of Europe's combined might, do they really need Uncle Sam to provide deterrent? Part of me thinks that they deserve to be overrun by Russian tanks if they can't muster enough resolve, their combined GDP is larger than the US, there is no excuse.

But his point doesn't make any sense in things like medicine. Medical advances generally aren't by some guy in his basement anymore. They are corporations/universities which have the wherewithal to operate labs, conduct experiments and get FDA passage. Suggested health care reforms, built on personal income tax increases, do not impact this. No one at Pfizer walks into the office and says "Well Dale the damn government is taxing me more so hold off on that groundbreaking drug that could make the corporation billions." It just doesn't work that way, a good business decision is a good business decision, the government being the middle man instead of insurance companies doesn't really impact that.



This is a self-defeating paragraph, and really aids the argument of the Left. The Right always say if we tax the wealthy will leave or something. Yet this man correctly states that there is no where else in the world capable of supplanting our economic system.

1. Scaling UK / France / Germany is still a massive issue, considering the USA is nearly 5X the population of UK & France and 4X Germany. So even there, I think it is hard to project one way or another. As far as homogeneity is concerned, I think it speaks more to the 50 states of the US being so different, it makes it hard to come up a federal solution. I agree that US solution would need to be unique.

2. I am a massive critic of defense and truly believe other nations certainly benefit from the blanket of security we provide and we should start correcting it. I also believe this extends to other economic benefits as well. Going back to health care for a moment, pharma prices in the US are higher b/c of the lower prices abroad. Those companies need to make the money the invest in future solutions (considering they will get, optimistically, 9 years of sales to make up for investment in the current product along with failed products). This is real and it has had a tremendous impact on innovation as a whole. According to the Miliken Institute, the US had 111 NCE's from 2001 - 2010.....which was 57% of the total worldwide (194 in total). Compare that to 1971-1980, where the US produced 157, which was only 31% of the total worldwide (508 in total). So, the US is down nearly 29% in NCE's, but the rest of the world is down almost 62%. What do you think is driving that and how do we get those other countries producing more?

Medical devices are different though. Here the free market would help considerably, especially in the hip and knee replacement markets. The current policies are cartel like (only 5 major manufacturers) for hips and knees, which include: 1) Allowing device makers to "change" their design minimally to keep patent status and increase prices 2) US Trade policy 3) FDA approvals that are long, arduous and expensive, which helps prevent start-ups and competition 4) Surgeon preferences for how to install the devices, which prevents leverage in pricing. I would open up that market considerably.

I don't think it is the personal tax policies that limit the innovation, but rather the socialization of the avenues in which the products are disbursed.

3. On your point on taxes.....okay, I guess? If his point is correct and that the world would be less better off with a socialized US, taxes would be the least of the concerns.

 

[wizards8507]

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This is going to run on loop in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania.

 

[Legacy]

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[RDU Irish]

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This is going to run on loop in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania.

Yeah - that might leave a mark. Maybe she thinks only WV and KY produce coal in that region?

 

[wizards8507]

Yeah - that might leave a mark. Maybe she thinks only WV and KY produce coal in that region?

If you look at her face at 0:15, she kind of gulps to herself like "oh shit did I just say that out loud?"

 

[IrishLax]

Will Quigg, KKK Grand Dragon, Switches Support From Trump to Hillary Clinton

AHAHAHAHA

 

[woolybug25]

Will Quigg, KKK Grand Dragon, Switches Support From Trump to Hillary Clinton

AHAHAHAHA

Nice try, Quigg. If anybody buys that he truly is endorsing Clinton, they are a moron. He clearly saw what his comments regarding Trump were and is trying to damage Hillary. This will backfire badly, if it becomes a story at all. Because Hillary, unlike Trump, will denounce him immediately and quickly point out how different her response to it was vis a vis Trump. Leading to him looking even more like a racist.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Nice try, Quigg. If anybody buys that he truly is endorsing Clinton, they are a moron. He clearly saw what his comments regarding Trump were and is trying to damage Hillary. This will backfire badly, if it becomes a story at all. Because Hillary, unlike Trump, will denounce him immediately and quickly point out how different her response to it was vis a vis Trump. Leading to him looking even more like a racist.

Exactly

 

[Monk]

Yeah, but that won't work in the general election. 23% of the country identify as Republicans and Trump is winning 35% of those people. That means 8% of the voting population are Trump supporters.

The Clintons and Trump probably have a backroom deal that he runs for president knowing he can't win the general and in return HRC gives him whatever he wants on the business side once she is in.

Seriously though that would be a crazy story.

 

[drayer54]

The Clintons and Trump probably have a backroom deal that he runs for president knowing he can't win the general and in return HRC gives him whatever he wants on the business side once she is in.

Seriously though that would be a crazy story.

I've suspected this for some time. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he wants the power and is really trying to make America great again. I just threw up a little in my mouth.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

The Clintons and Trump probably have a backroom deal that he runs for president knowing he can't win the general and in return HRC gives him whatever he wants on the business side once she is in.

Seriously though that would be a crazy story.

This has already been a (relatively) popular conspiracy theory. Especially if you factor in that Trump and the Clintons are friends, and he's contributed to their foundation in the past.

 

[GoIrish41]

Random. I was inside the Trump hotel in Chicago this weekend. IDK how to explain it but the lobby was the best smelling place I've ever been in. Whatever scent they put in there I need to get in my car.

That scent is pumped in to cover the stench of cabbage. The carnie who built the building also has small hands. Cannot be trusted.

 

[Buster Bluth]

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This is going to run on loop in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania.

That is a perfectly reasonable and nuanced answer.

If anything she gained points in my book for that response. The entire world is moving away from coal, we need to be ahead of the problem and help the people whose livelihoods will be decimated by that policy change. They already give the children in Appalachia minority status for college scholarships, at least they did when I was at Ohio State.

It's really no different than if the food system ever got away from so much damn corn. The government got those farmers into it and had them borrow millions each on special equipment, so the government will be responsible for making sure such a switch doesn't wreck their livelihoods.

 

[T Town Tommy]

NEW POPULAR IDOL RISES IN BAVARIA - Hitler Credited With Extraordinary Powers of SwayingCrowds to His Will.FORMS GRAY-SHIRTED ARMYArmed With Blackjacks and Revolvers and Well Disciplined, They Obey Orders Implicitly. LEADER A REACTIONARY Is Anti Red

NY Times article from 1922. The very first article they wrote on the subject matter. Some interesting parallels.

 

[wizards8507]

That is a perfectly reasonable and nuanced answer.

If anything she gained points in my book for that response. The entire world is moving away from coal, we need to be ahead of the problem and help the people whose livelihoods will be decimated by that policy change. They already give the children in Appalachia minority status for college scholarships, at least they did when I was at Ohio State.

It's really no different than if the food system ever got away from so much damn corn. The government got those farmers into it and had them borrow millions each on special equipment, so the government will be responsible for making sure such a switch doesn't wreck their livelihoods.

I didn't say anything about substance. We live in a sound bite culture and you just can't say the words "we're going to put a lot of coal miners out of work."

Sent from my Galaxy Note4 using Tapatalk.

 

[kmoose]

That is a perfectly reasonable and nuanced answer.

It's a fucking disgrace. Especially that smarmy lil smirk at the end of her delivery of the line. You don't tell people you are going to put them out of business; you tell them that you are going to help them transform their businesses from fossil fuels to.............. ???? Without having heard the beginning, I am not sure if she was saying that they are planning to put the renewable energy jobs in coal country, to offset their losses as we move away from coal, or what.

 

[gkIrish]

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This is going to run on loop in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania.

What was she referring to when she said "Indian country" at the end of that video? If she was referring to Native Americans, then LOL. A Republican would get crucified for saying that.

 

[GoIrish41]

It's a fucking disgrace. Especially that smarmy lil smirk at the end of her delivery of the line. You don't tell people you are going to put them out of business; you tell them that you are going to help them transform their businesses from fossil fuels to.............. ???? Without having heard the beginning, I am not sure if she was saying that they are planning to put the renewable energy jobs in coal country, to offset their losses as we move away from coal, or what.

That is exactly what she was saying. I don't know why that is disgraceful.

 

[Irishman77]

excellent video depicting how the global elite are pulling out all stops to stop Trump and this silent revolution .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEuYo...HOGxXQFr9SliKowJCV2dA9W11VRSBQYRRp7utUF2pYVgw

 

[phgreek]

What was she referring to when she said "Indian country" at the end of that video? If she was referring to Native Americans, then LOL. A Republican would get crucified for saying that.

...Elizabeth Warren said it was ok

 

[kmoose]

That is exactly what she was saying. I don't know why that is disgraceful.

what's fucking disgraceful is her announcing that she intends to put a bunch of coal companies and workers out of business. If Trump had said that, you liberals would be howling at the moon about him not giving a flying fuck about the working man.

 

[woolybug25]

what's fucking disgraceful is her announcing that she intends to put a bunch of coal companies and workers out of business. If Trump had said that, you liberals would be howling at the moon about him not giving a flying fuck about the working man.

I think you're completely wrong about this assertion. The left has been pretty steady on their views regarding coal. It would actually go over pretty well and would actually probably have been received by his followers as well. He's a business man and it would have been seen as forward thinking.

Coal is a dying industry and one clip framed to make her comment look harsh doesn't change that. It just gives people a "gotcha" quote good for fodder on forums.

It's a non story.