2016 Presidential Horse Race

[Cackalacky]

This is very unmodlike and I know it and apologize upfront. This is not a personal attack but I just have to ask.... Does anyone else feel dirty, slimy or otherwise greasy after reading NDgradstudents posts?

 

[Buster Bluth]

I've just accepted that he's one of those bots on the internet these days that is simply going through a Turing test on IE. He's GOPbot v9.7 under the hood, the product of a project funded by the Koch brothers.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It's possible the grad degree is from Trump University. There's nothing saying the ND and the "gradstudent" are related to one another.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I have a ?. At debate Cruz was saying trumps import tax would come out the peoples pocket for price increase. Then immediately said he's going to tax imports but it won't come out American pockets. Is he a wizard? Is this bush fuzzy math?

 

[NDgradstudent]

This is laughable framing. You do realize Trump is the person saying that protestors should be attacked, taken care of, beat up, and otherwise dealt with so his rally's can be held undisturbed right? I can pull together a bunch of quotes if you need them. So if I try to understand you the protected free speech of protestors is limited and violence against protestors IS ok? Yes. Maybe you did not see the scenes in St Louis last night? He is begging his supports to beat up protestors. Beating up protestors is ok as long as it is white people attacking minorities at the behest of Fuhrer Trump.

Free speech is of utmost importance, except if you are a protestor who is legally allowed to assemble at the rally. Lol. "I am free to have speech. You are free to have it, just not here. I will beat the shit out of you for exercising your right to free speech and assembly." " Can you believe these people showed up and made me kick their ass at behest of the Fuhrer?"

From an account of the event:

Protesters at the rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump rushed the arena floor in jubilant celebration after the announcement that he was calling off the event due to security concerns.

Many jumped up and down, with arms up in the air, shouting “F— Trump!” ”Bernie! Bernie!” and “We stoppedTrump!”

Kamran Siddiqui is a 20-year-old student at the University of Illinois at Chicago, where the event was to take place.

He says: “Trump represents everything America is not and everything Chicago is not. We came in here and we wanted to shut this down. Because this is a great city and we don’t want to let that person in here.”

Siddiqui says he’s a supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. He says it “feels amazing” to have stopped Trump from speaking at his own rally.

He adds: “Everybody came together. That’s what people can do. Now people got to go out and vote because we have the opportunity to stop Trump.”

Hours before the event was scheduled to start, hundreds of people lined up outside the arena at the University of Illinois at Chicago — a civil and immigrant rights organizing hub with large minority student populations. Trump backers were separated from an equally large crowd of anti-Trump protesters by a heavy police presence and barricades. …

Chicago community activist Quo Vadis said hundreds of protesters had positioned themselves in groups around the arena, and that they intend to demonstrate right after Trump takes the stage. Their goal, he said, is “for Donald to take the stage and to completely interrupt him. The plan is to shut Donald Trump all the way down.”

Trump says many things, some of which are stupid. So what? I'm not aware of other Trump rallies being shut down in this way. This was an organized attack upon a political event, simple as that.

I don't believe that Trump has this magical power to cause Democrats to riot. They seem to pretty good at doing that without Trump's help, as the Ferguson/Baltimore reign of terror demonstrates. With a few exceptions, college students are taught that behaving in this way gets you what you want...so that's what they do.

This is very unmodlike and I know it and apologize upfront. This is not a personal attack but I just have to ask.... Does anyone else feel dirty, slimy or otherwise greasy after reading NDgradstudents posts?

I'll have to keep this one in my pocket the next time I'm threatened with a ban for holding the wrong opinions.

That said, at least Cack offered a substantive reply to my comments in addition to the personal attacks. That cannot be said of everyone.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Well right here it sounds like you're asking us to prove a negative. If you have proof Obama is ordering the drones to kill whole families as a target, show it. The data dumps done by groups like wikileaks show none of that.

Just watch Trump's clip in which he clearly states he thinks the US should "take out their families." It is not okay, it hints at what an amateur he would be as Commander in Chief. He frames the whole point as our military being too PC, and that we need to "take the gloves off." If that's not proclaiming to the world "we need to be more brutal so they fear us," I don't know what is. Someone who makes these sorts of claims is simply unfit to be in charge of the country.

Unfortunately, he'll be up against a neocon hawk in the general, there won't be any good candidates, foreign policy speaking, this election.

I'm not asking anyone to prove anything. I'm saying we're dealing with two unkowns:

1) Did Obama authorize drone strikes that killed families? We don't know

2) Did Trump mean what he said or was he just talking tough? We don't know.

Irishjayhawk was talking like he was 100% convinced on both which raised my question.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I'm not asking anyone to prove anything. I'm saying we're dealing with two unkowns:

1) Did Obama authorize drone strikes that killed families? We don't know

2) Did Trump mean what he said or was he just talking tough? We don't know.

Irishjayhawk was talking like he was 100% convinced on both which raised my question.

Trump said a thing. I didn't twist it. How dare I take his words and assume that they mean the things. He is advocating that the US commits war crimes.

 

[EddytoNow]

This is laughable framing. You do realize Trump is the person saying that protestors should be attacked, taken care of, beat up, and otherwise dealt with so his rally's can be held undisturbed right? I can pull together a bunch of quotes if you need them. So if I try to understand you the protected free speech of protestors is limited and violence against protestors IS ok? Yes. Maybe you did not see the scenes in St Louis last night? He is begging his supports to beat up protestors. Beating up protestors is ok as long as it is white people attacking minorities at the behest of Fuhrer Trump.

Free speech is of utmost importance, except if you are a protestor who is legally allowed to assemble at the rally. Lol. "I am free to have speech. You are free to have it, just not here. I will beat the shit out of you for exercising your right to free speech and assembly." " Can you believe these people showed up and made me kick their ass at behest of the Fuhrer?"

The stonewalling of all legislation and presidential appointments over the past 20 years is pre-dominantly a Republican effort. I'm not claiming Democrats are completely innocent, but the vast majority of the unwillingness to compromise comes from the party of "Just Say No." If only Nancy Reagan had known her anti-drug slogan would become the doctrine of the Republican party.

Trump is the end result of this policy. The Republican party is falling apart before our eyes, and they are trying to take the country down with them. And since the Republicans seem incapable of stopping Trump, Democratic supporters are stepping up to fill the void. The recent protests at Trump's rallies will not be the last. The more Trump encourages violence against his opposition, the more his opposition will rise up to protest.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Trump said a thing. I didn't twist it. How dare I take his words and assume that they mean the things. He is advocating that the US commits war crimes.

Yes he did say a thing. It doesn't mean he would do that until he actually does. Maybe he would, maybe he's just talking tough to get his base all jacked up. We. Don't. Know.

The little shitheads in North Korea have threatened firing missiles at us for years and nothing has happened.

 

[wizards8507]

I have a ?. At debate Cruz was saying trumps import tax would come out the peoples pocket for price increase. Then immediately said he's going to tax imports but it won't come out American pockets. Is he a wizard? Is this bush fuzzy math?

Trump's is 45% and Cruz' is 15%, but that's obviously a difference in degree, not in kind.

 

[wizards8507]

Trump said a thing. I didn't twist it. How dare I take his words and assume that they mean the things. He is advocating that the US commits war crimes.

I'm not sure how Obama committing war crimes would make it okay that Trump is advocating for the same.

 

[Wild Bill]

This is very unmodlike and I know it and apologize upfront. This is not a personal attack but I just have to ask.... Does anyone else feel dirty, slimy or otherwise greasy after reading NDgradstudents posts?

No. He's an interesting poster.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Well right here it sounds like you're asking us to prove a negative. If you have proof Obama is ordering the drones to kill whole families as a target, show it. The data dumps done by groups like wikileaks show none of that.

I dunno buster. The link cacky posted out a few months ago about drones and the use of them was interesting... and scary. As the Commander in Chief, I guess the responsibility would start there and go down.

 

[T Town Tommy]

This is very unmodlike and I know it and apologize upfront. This is not a personal attack but I just have to ask.... Does anyone else feel dirty, slimy or otherwise greasy after reading NDgradstudents posts?

No more than some other posters out here. Most could say the same about pretty much all of us at one point or another.

 

[Bishop2b5]

This is very unmodlike and I know it and apologize upfront. This is not a personal attack but I just have to ask.... Does anyone else feel dirty, slimy or otherwise greasy after reading NDgradstudents posts?

C'mon Cack. A personal attack & insult was EXACTLY what that was. It's like saying, "I don't mean to be rude & insulting, but you're fat & ugly." The speaker absolutely meant to be so and no disclaimer to the contrary changes that or lessens it.

You might not agree with NDgradstudent's politics or views, but they're just as prevalent as yours and his right to hold & express them is every bit as valid as yours, mine, or any other reasonable person's. He's not advocating for concentration camps, wife beating or child molesting. He's supporting a candidate you don't like and expressing political views you disagree with. Your personal insult towards him for that is beneath you, sir.

 

[Cackalacky]

From an account of the event:



Trump says many things, some of which are stupid. So what? I'm not aware of other Trump rallies being shut down in this way. This was an organized attack upon a political event, simple as that.

Hold on here let's not move the goal posts. We were discussing attacks at political rallies not the presence of protestors. You posted how Trump supporters were scared to be known as A Trump supporter due to a percieved threat of attack from protestors. I countered that it is in FACT Trump who is calling for attacks and his followers are following through on his intent. This has nothing to do with a coordinated protest which is entirely legal according to the FIRST Ammendment. You should be supporting their right to assemble, not excoriating them for it.

I don't believe that Trump has this magical power to cause Democrats to riot. They seem to pretty good at doing that without Trump's help, as the Ferguson/Baltimore reign of terror demonstrates. With a few exceptions, college students are taught that behaving in this way gets you what you want...so that's what they do.

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Here you are framing it that way again. Trump holds no blame for enciting violence against protestors and it is the protestors fault for legally assembling in protest of a group who has been violent? Classic right wing victim blaming. I am sure you at familiar with the adage of reaping what you sow. If Trump wants to keep enciting violence he should not be surprised when he finds himself surrounded and DEFINED by it along with his supporters.

I'll have to keep this one in my pocket the next time I'm threatened with a ban for holding the wrong opinions.

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You were not threatened with a ban for having wrong opinion. You were engaged in dishonest argumentations. No question. I believe the term is arguing in bad faith.

That said, at least Cack offered a substantive reply to my comments in addition to the personal attacks. That cannot be said of everyone.

I have more to add if you wish. Though I did say it was not a personal attack. It was personal observation of my mental state after trying to parse through some of your "interesting" posts.

 

[Cackalacky]

I dunno buster. The link cacky posted out a few months ago about drones and the use of them was interesting... and scary. As the Commander in Chief, I guess the responsibility would start there and go down.

That was a crazy article.

 

[BGIF]

This is laughable framing. You do realize Trump is the person saying that protestors should be attacked, taken care of, beat up, and otherwise dealt with so his rally's can be held undisturbed right? I can pull together a bunch of quotes if you need them. So if I try to understand you the protected free speech of protestors is limited and violence against protestors IS ok? Yes. Maybe you did not see the scenes in St Louis last night? He is begging his supports to beat up protestors. Beating up protestors is ok as long as it is white people attacking minorities at the behest of Fuhrer Trump.

Free speech is of utmost importance, except if you are a protestor who is legally allowed to assemble at the rally. Lol. "I am free to have speech. You are free to have it, just not here. I will beat the shit out of you for exercising your right to free speech and assembly." " Can you believe these people showed up and made me kick their ass at behest of the Fuhrer?"

Start your post with "laughable framing" and end with "Fuhrer". Melissa Click must be proud of you.

 

[BGIF]

This is very unmodlike and I know it and apologize upfront. This is not a personal attack but I just have to ask.... Does anyone else feel dirty, slimy or otherwise greasy after reading NDgradstudents posts?

Yes, it is very unmodlike and your weasely apology doesn't change it.

 

[Cackalacky]

Start your post with "laughable framing" and end with "Fuhrer". Melissa Click must be proud of you.

You bet. Sure beats victim blaming and acceptable levels of violence against free assembly. Haha. .

 

[BGIF]

You bet. Sure beats victim blaming and acceptable levels of violence against free assembly. Haha. .

You have a gross misgrasp of the obvious.

Melissa's Muscle prevented the free assembly of others.

Chicago was about mob power.

 

[Cackalacky]

Uhhmmm...Well boys... I think it is time I checked out. I have had a great time getting to know all y'all. Seems like my time is up. Fare well and if you are in Charleston give me a shout. Door is always open.

 

[irishnd31]

This whole thread went to shit real quick.

 

[BGIF]

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[phgreek]

I got news for you guys. If I show up to hear Sanders, and some jackasses interfere, I'm going to start hauling them to the door on my own until they are gone or I am gone.

If I go to a Sanders rally, THAT is free speech. If on the way in to the rally I see protesters against Sanders who engage me, and have signs...that is free speech. If some asshat stops Bernie from speaking that is censorship, and said asshat SHOULD get beaten into the ground. Anyone framing those who shut down rallies as exercising free speech are complete and total idiots. Pretty easy really.

I'm not going out of my way for a Trump rally anytime soon. But I will fully support those in attendance who beat down those interfering with what the man has to say. If you plan on doing that, you better think again.

 

[calvegas04]

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that's sad, you don't see people attacking hillary clinton. And she is by far the bigger evil

 

[T Town Tommy]

The stonewalling of all legislation and presidential appointments over the past 20 years is pre-dominantly a Republican effort. I'm not claiming Democrats are completely innocent, but the vast majority of the unwillingness to compromise comes from the party of "Just Say No." If only Nancy Reagan had known her anti-drug slogan would become the doctrine of the Republican party.

Trump is the end result of this policy. The Republican party is falling apart before our eyes, and they are trying to take the country down with them. And since the Republicans seem incapable of stopping Trump, Democratic supporters are stepping up to fill the void. The recent protests at Trump's rallies will not be the last. The more Trump encourages violence against his opposition, the more his opposition will rise up to protest.

Facts just do not support your claim here.

Judicial Nominations and Confirmations: Fact and Fiction | Brookings Institution

As far as Trump... he has done exactly what any smart politician should do. He has captured a base of support from those people who feel alienated and forgotten. People who feel - rightly or wrongly - that they have been marginalized due to such things as political correctness, feel less safe, marginal to no growth in their finances, etc. Trump is their voice. And he is playing it for all it's worth. And he has chosen to not play by the establishments rules and foregoes political correctness at the angst of the liberal press. And the more they badger him, the more support he is likely to get from those mentioned above.

On the other side, there are two career politicians that have their own issues as well. One is pretty much an out and out socialist and the other is currently under investigation that could very well lead to a felony indictment. So to say that the Democratic Party is any better is just as laughable. The same old tired anecdotes that is being pushed on the trail is the same ones we have seen bust and bankrupt virtually every metropolitian city in America. It hasn't worked with decades of Democratic policy, and it won't work on a national scale either.

There are no clear winners in which to choose from either side. If the liberal pundits and left leaning media would back off Trump he would do his own self in. But, as the past has shown us, that is not going to happen. And as long as they keep swinging, Trump is going to use it to his advantage. And as long as the "established" left keeps pushing their proven failed agenda, the real ones that suffer and you and I.

 

[BGIF]

NC GOP Primary Poll

NC GOP Primary Poll

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - North Carolina Republican Presidential Primary

Trump +20 points over Cruz 48-28 in N.C. 3/10/16

 

[loomis41973]

This is very unmodlike and I know it and apologize upfront. This is not a personal attack but I just have to ask.... Does anyone else feel dirty, slimy or otherwise greasy after reading NDgradstudents posts?

Not at all...he makes great points over and over again.

 

[BGIF]

Cruz Wins One Delegate in Guam

Cruz Wins One Delegate in Guam

Cruz Gains Delegate In Guam

BySARA JERDEPublishedMARCH 12, 2016, 10:05 AM EST

Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) won a delegate from Guam on Saturday, CNN reported.

Cruz was expected to win big in the U.S. territory. His first gubernatorial endorsement came from Guam Republican Eddie Calvo, The Houston Chronicle reported.

Calvo did vouch for Cruz on Saturday, but the remaining five other delegates remain "uncommitted" and will meet with the presidential candidates in the coming weeks to help them decide who to support.

In Guam, the delegates are elected at a party convention and are then able to support whichever candidate.