'16 GA ATH Demetris Robertson (Georgia Transfer)

[NDShark]

One of the few studies to rank colleges by revealed preference is here.

Look at Region 6 on Page 36 to understand why cracking into the South is so difficult.

 

[palinurus]

KJ Costello


Also, guess what, Drob retweeted it and liked it.

Interesting. It also seems to have been "liked" by a bunch of Irish fans. ( I mean Sampson's tweet.)

 

[MNIrishman]

Look at Region 6 on Page 36 to understand why cracking into the South is so difficult.

I'd be willing to bet that's largely based on our Papist identity.

 

[beryirish]

Look at Region 6 on Page 36 to understand why cracking into the South is so difficult.

Next page notes - not even in the next 30 colleges in that region...geez.

Notes for Table 6
Next 30 colleges, for each region:

Region 6 (AL, KY, TN): Furman, Johns Hopkins, Middlebury, UCLA, U Texas, Barnard, Davidson, U the South, Wake Forest, SMU, Carleton, Oberlin, U
Michigan, U Illinois, Texas A&M, NYU, Rhodes, Vassar, Occidental, Smith, Clemson, Kenyon, Carnegie Mellon, Bowdoin, William and Mary, Bates, U Miami,
Washington and Lee, Washington U., Haverford.

 

[NDohio]

Stanford fan. Mods get rid of it.

Edit: While we're at it can we kick out the lonely as f*** Bama and Michigan fans that are always creeping around the boards. There's plenty other places for them to talk about their respective teams. It's been obnoxious as hell seeing TomHaverford and T Town Tommy constantly pop up the last few months. I don't care if they're friendly, there's no reason for them to be on a message board for ND fans.

I am fairly certain you are in the minority on this one. These two guys add to our board and are appreciated for their outside opinions. They also post respectfully when discussing their favorite teams.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Did someone say Drob retweet?

 

[longliveautrydenson]

I am fairly certain you are in the minority on this one. These two guys add to our board and are appreciated for their outside opinions. They also post respectfully when discussing their favorite teams.

NSD left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm getting sick of watching a parade of five stars pick other schools knowing they're playing an entirely different recruiting game than we are. Didn't mean to lash out at T Town, I'm sure he's a nice guy but f*** Bama and the four titles they bought.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Look at Region 6 on Page 36 to understand why cracking into the South is so difficult.

Interesting point. Of course, that's looking at all students, and those states are among the least Catholic in the country. Also, ND does better than overall in Region 5, with especially talent heavy Southern states like VA, GA, SC, FL.

 

[greyhammer90]

I am fairly certain you are in the minority on this one. These two guys add to our board and are appreciated for their outside opinions. They also post respectfully when discussing their favorite teams.

T Town is a great asset to the board.

Tom... is....

 

[Classic Irish]

Bingo.

I knew a girl from Bucknell who was one of the most beautiful women I've seen in person. Smart, too.

 

[NDdomer2]

Did someone say Drob retweet?

That woman looks like a jiggly good time!

 

[Domina Nostra]

It's your view that UVA is better academically than Notre Dame? I realize this is subjective, at some point, and UVA is a fine school, but US News, Forbes and Business Insider all have ND ahead of UVA. The Best Colleges review has UVA ahead. This is general review, not business school. ND is ahead of UNC, too, in some, and maybe ahead of Michigan, too, in some. FWIW.

Nope. I think ND and UVA are both NOT in that Top Tier, and are both arguably in that second Tier, depending on how you define it.

Now this is just wrong. You want to know which schools the old boys' clubs recruit? Just look at MBB recruiting. Goldman-Sachs. (The late) Lehman Bros. They only send representatives to certain schools' career fairs. ND is in that group. I honestly can't think of a single major company that DOESN'T recruit at ND but DOES recruit Harvard or Yale (except for companies looking predominantly in their region).

The Supreme Court is immaterial as a measure. Every single justice went to either Harvard or Yale. That's not a meritocracy; it's an oligarchy or possibly some sort of plutocracy.

Goldman Sachs is huge. It is easily big enough that entry level jobs for that firm are not reserved for only the most elite schools. They are casting a much bigger net than that. But I bet that in your application and as you go up in that firm, going to Harvard would be an advantage.

The Supreme Court has a Columbia grad on it, and used to have two Stanfords on it until recently!

You can look at various studies to see the likelihood a student chooses one school over another, given the option ("revealed preference rankings"). This paper, for example, finds that ND ranks 13th in terms of students picking the school- placing it ahead of US News higher ranked schools such as Chicago, Duke, and Northwestern, among others. Stanford only 'loses' to Harvard and Yale.

You can also look at Parchment.com's college selection data aggregator, which similarly finds that ND matches up relatively well with Stanford (about as well as Princeton, in fact!)

ND has some specialness that helps its rankings. I would have chosen it, in hindsight, if I could have. And that is pretty much exactly my point. It is that 13 range, not that 1-3 range.


1) I would be not suprised at all to find out that a signficant number of Stanford kids did not even consider ND.
2) I would be shocked to find that a significant number of ND students had gotten into Stanford, or could have gotten into Stanford, but turned it down. I could be wrong, but I am not necessarily going to trust an online stat generator.
3) I would not be suprised at all to find out that many ND had not applied to Stnaford at all because they had ND grades but not Stanford grades

This is not the experience of the admissions department at ND, as I understand it.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

T Town is a great asset to the board.

Tom... is....

 

[MNIrishman]

Nope. I think ND and UVA are both NOT in that Top Tier, and are both arguably in that second Tier, depending on how you define it.



Goldman Sachs is big enough that entry level jobs for that firm are not reserved for the most elite schools. But I bet that in your application and as you go up in that firm, going to Harvard would be an advantage.



ND has some specialness that helps its rankings. I would have chosen it, in hindsight, if I could have.


1) I would be not suprised at all to find out that a signficant number of Stanford kids did not even consider ND.
2) I would be shocked to find that a significant number of ND students had gotten into Stanford, or could have gotten into Stanford, but turned it down.
3) I would not be suprised at all to find out that many ND had not applied to Stnaford at all because they had ND grades but not Stanford grades

This is not the experience of the admissions department at ND, as I understand it.

Having gone through the process for MBB, I can tell you it's the same.

 

[tussin]

I knew a girl from Bucknell who was one of the most beautiful women I've seen in person. Smart, too.

That's not surprising -- there are a ton of very attractive girls at Bucknell.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

That woman looks like a jiggly good time!

Was thinking the same thing.

So was swamped and work today and didn't have a chance to go on IE. What is the latest news on Drob? Thanks in advance.


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[Domina Nostra]

Having gone through the process for MBB, I can tell you it's the same.

What's the same? My point is that when you look across the spectrum of elite jobs, its more valuable to have a Harvard, Yale, or Stanford diploma than other diplomas.

That doesn't means some people or companies don't hire, consider, or favor other schools for other reasons. That doesn't mean there aren't kids from all those schools who are successful, it just means that reputation of schools matter.

If you are at the top of your class at ND, you are going to get looks. The number of kids who get looks get bigger at the more prestigious schools. And some places present a positive advantage in some situations.

For example, and ND degree was a ticket into the FBI for a while.

 

[IrishLax]

Nope. I think ND and UVA are both NOT in that Top Tier, and are both arguably in that second Tier, depending on how you define it.



Goldman Sachs is huge. It is easily big enough that entry level jobs for that firm are not reserved for only the most elite schools. They are casting a much bigger net than that. But I bet that in your application and as you go up in that firm, going to Harvard would be an advantage.

The Supreme Court has a Columbia grad on it, and used to have two Stanfords on it until recently!



ND has some specialness that helps its rankings. I would have chosen it, in hindsight, if I could have. And that is pretty much exactly my point. It is that 13 range, not that 1-3 range.


1) I would be not suprised at all to find out that a signficant number of Stanford kids did not even consider ND.
2) I would be shocked to find that a significant number of ND students had gotten into Stanford, or could have gotten into Stanford, but turned it down. I could be wrong, but I am not necessarily going to trust an online stat generator.
3) I would not be suprised at all to find out that many ND had not applied to Stnaford at all because they had ND grades but not Stanford grades

This is not the experience of the admissions department at ND, as I understand it.

Curious, where did you go to school?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Was thinking the same thing.

So was swamped and work today and didn't have a chance to go on IE. What is the latest news on Drob? Thanks in advance.


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Any body want to give me an update on what has gone on today with Drob? Or are we arguing about universities prestige?


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[NorthDakota]

Any body want to give me an update on what has gone on today with Drob? Or are we arguing about universities prestige?


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Someone said something at one point that he retweeted & liked a tweet......

So no...no updates sir.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Any body want to give me an update on what has gone on today with Drob? Or are we arguing about universities prestige?


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According to a Georgia mod on another site, he's cancelling his visit to Georgia. Looking more and more like he goes to Stanford if he gets it, but goes to ND of he doesnt.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

According to a Georgia mod on another site, he's cancelling his visit to Georgia. Looking more and more like he goes to Stanford if he gets it, but goes to ND of he doesnt.

I'll take that.


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[irish4ever]

Any body want to give me an update on what has gone on today with Drob? Or are we arguing about universities prestige?


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2 words ... he gone!

 

[jason_h537]

Not going to rehash this nonsense again. Lax addressed this in the Caleb Kelly thread in a very articulate way. For the one millionth time, Myron Rolle was the exception that proves the rule and was offered automatic admission to FSU's med school as an enticement to sign. I never denied that you can't get a good education anywhere. But sorry, where you go to school matters. Fact: not all schools are the same. What you suggest implies that there's no difference between say Princeton and Middle Tennessee State. Pretty naive.

I never said where you go doesn't matter. I clearly pointed out that going to ND guarantees you will get a good education. I am saying that going to Georgia does not mean you won't get a good education which is what you keep parroting.

Just because someone chooses another school does not mean they are just gonna party and drink 24/7. It doesn't mean they will tweet "I didn't come to play school". You want to make this an argument about which school is better. I am saying that choosing to stay in state does not mean he doesn't care about his education. And you did say that you can't get a good education at another school every time you scoffed at someone's decision to go to another school.

 

[Classic Irish]

I never said where you go doesn't matter. I clearly pointed out that going to ND guarantees you will get a good education. I am saying that going to Georgia does not mean you won't get a good education which is what you keep parroting.

Just because someone chooses another school does not mean they are just gonna party and drink 24/7. It doesn't mean they will tweet "I didn't come to play school". You want to make this an argument about which school is better. I am saying that choosing to stay in state does not mean he doesn't care about his education. And you did say that you can't get a good education at another school every time you scoffed at someone's decision to go to another school.

Sorry if I was unclear. I'm referring to someone who has a free-ride (and the grades/test scores) for admission to Stanford or ND and turns that down to go to a school that isn't even in the same academic universe. Yes, you can get a very good education at Georgia or Oklahoma. But an athlete who turns down Stanford or ND to go to a school like Oklahoma or Ohio State suggests to me that academics aren't really a priority despite what he claims.

 

[tko]

I'll take that.


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We'll be watching him light us up next season for Tree. DRob and McCaffrey, good night folks.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

NSD left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm getting sick of watching a parade of five stars pick other schools knowing they're playing an entirely different recruiting game than we are. Didn't mean to lash out at T Town, I'm sure he's a nice guy but f*** Bama and the four titles they bought.

Why did it leave a bad taste in your mouth?

• ND got exactly the recruits it wanted and needed.
• The defensive backfield recruits probably have the highest talent level of any group of dbs ND has had, given the size of the group. (Not saying the best ever individuals, but the most overall cumulative db class talent-wise ever.)
• Everyone committed signed their LOI's.
• Not one player in this class took an official after they committed.
• Kelly has stated that this is the closest group of incoming players he has ever had.
• There are three four stars, that are borderline five stars. (This includes Tommy Cramer who was a top 10 recruit in the nation, mostly a five star, and I believe the highest rated offensive player since Jimmy Clausen! Not sure about Matt James, though.)
• There are two or three players that may be able to challenge for starting positions, depending on whose opinion you take.
• This is a class full of players with tremendous upsides, some players who were criminally underrated.
• This is a class has two freaks with so broad of potential, with such high upsides, that nobody can find a comparable player. Ever. And the comparison are being attempted by ND coaches, and beat writers for the Irish. Respected ones.
• This class has more kids that have actually played quarterback, than any class recruited by ND since Ara Parseghian was the coach.
• The athletic ability, and player versatility rivals the best in the business. Really.

So I am totally satisfied with the class, in every aspect, in light of us not landing Kelly, or Davis. Even if we don't land DRob!

I will take the next of what I learned to the NSD thread. Join me for a happy perspective, if you would like.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

We'll be watching him light us up next season for Tree. DRob and McCaffrey, good night folks.

Not unless David Shaw himself scores his SAT.

 

[GoIrish41]

Not unless David Shaw himself scores his SAT.

How far was he away from qualifying on the first test? Do we know? If so, how?

 

[MNIrishman]

What's the same? My point is that when you look across the spectrum of elite jobs, its more valuable to have a Harvard, Yale, or Stanford diploma than other diplomas.

That doesn't means some people or companies don't hire, consider, or favor other schools for other reasons. That doesn't mean there aren't kids from all those schools who are successful, it just means that reputation of schools matter.

If you are at the top of your class at ND, you are going to get looks. The number of kids who get looks get bigger at the more prestigious schools. And some places present a positive advantage in some situations.

For example, and ND degree was a ticket into the FBI for a while.

The elite jobs consider graduates of those schools in the same pools, then after that they have a detailed interview process wherein you're evaluated on merit exclusively. They only look at the top 20 or so schools. If you want in from another school, it's a hell of a lot harder. Stanford or ND is irrelevant once you've got there interview---and ND grads get them at about the same rate.

You said something about how ND students probably don't apply to Stanford because of grades. I've already established that that's nonsense because they admit similarly qualified students. It's more like they're very different universities in different parts of the country, and often attract a different applicant pool for those reasons.

Stanford only gives you a leg up over ND in STEM graduate school or Silicon Valley. Otherwise, as an alum of ND who has worked closely with graduates of many other institutions including Harvard, etc., I can tell you that this tier system you have is entirely in your head.

FYI I got accepted by Caltech (with a class size of about 250 students, MUCH harder to get into than Stanford or ND) and ND, chose ND, and didn't apply to Stanford. Not because I didn't feel like I could get in, but because there wasn't the need; I had an elite school five hours away.