'16 CA LB Caleb Kelly (Oklahoma Verbal)

[BobbyMac]

I know other schools recruit differently than we do (and not even talking about money), but offering a kid for the first time 48 hours before Signing Day, even in a gray shirt/de-commit situation like this - just seems like a recipe for mistakes on both sides.

I see where you're coming from but remember the different stages of recruiting that come before offer. You start off with discovering the player and researching him. If there is enough interest to put them in your funnel you will reach out with written notification of interest in letters and contact a high school coach or a summer 7 v. 7 coach. Then you reach out directly to the player and the family. Next comes the unofficials and seeing them at camps and speaking when you are permitted. Offers can come at any time. I got an offer from St. Louis U. by mail before I ever talked to a coach. Weird stuff can happen in recruiting because there is still a lot of back channel stuff going on... though in today's world of cell phones, twitter accounts and paid recruitniks, it's hard to keep secrets.

In Cole's case, maybe he and OU spoke a lot, there was some mutual love but OU never pulled the trigger and figured he was going to home state U regardless. Then this gray shirt drama happens and they pounced(?) I have no idea what the dynamic was but it's very possible they had a good relationship. I'm just spit ballin'

With Bryce Youngquist's having to go juco, OU is under the gun. I can imagine the OU bagmen are double fisting it tonight in Fresno. Cole might be just what the Dr. ordered being that CK is on his way to South Bend!

The same thing could have happened in the relationship between ND and Nate Johnson where it gets hot in the 11th hour because of some movement elsewhere when there had been dialogue for a full season between Johnson and the staff that didn't make the recriutniksphere.

This is why I like college football recruiting so much. A lot of variables. Basketball is too easy to figure out. You take the best 20 players, figure out if they are going to UK, Duke, KU, UNC or Zona and then start plugging the rest in from there.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Jones, Kelly, and Robertson.

Mark it down...

 

[GBdomer]

Per a poster on 247 and it makes sense if you think about it

ND took the lead and there is no denying that. Cooks went in on his inhome visit and basically had questions about BVG and Cooks started bad mouthing him and ND. Hence why OU took the lead back, I am sure are staff has addressed it and I am not sure if we can take over this recruitment in the next 24 hours but that's what happened. People said ND bad mouthed OU and OU basically shot back with Jerry Cooks. So F Cooks at least have some respect for ND(if he actually did this) IMO it's 55/45 in favor of OU

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Per a poster on 247 and it makes sense if you think about it

ND took the lead and there is no denying that. Cooks went in on his inhome visit and basically had questions about BVG and Cooks started bad mouthing him and ND. Hence why OU took the lead back, I am sure are staff has addressed it and I am not sure if we can take over this recruitment in the next 24 hours but that's what happened. People said ND bad mouthed OU and OU basically shot back with Jerry Cooks. So F Cooks at least have some respect for ND(if he actually did this) IMO it's 55/45 in favor of OU

That no good, dirty rotten Jerry Cooks...

 

[Irishman77]

Jones, Kelly, and Robertson.

Mark it down...

Like going to bed on Christmas Eve believing your going to get the bike BB Gun and the Disney Cruise in the morning. Reps...

 

[Cackalacky]

I believe we all have our questions about BVG.

 

[GBdomer]

Jones, Kelly, and Robertson.

Mark it down...

Pinned

 

[dang227]

That no good, dirty rotten Jerry Cooks...

I was never a fan of Jerry Cooks

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Per a poster on 247 and it makes sense if you think about it

ND took the lead and there is no denying that. Cooks went in on his inhome visit and basically had questions about BVG and Cooks started bad mouthing him and ND. Hence why OU took the lead back, I am sure are staff has addressed it and I am not sure if we can take over this recruitment in the next 24 hours but that's what happened. People said ND bad mouthed OU and OU basically shot back with Jerry Cooks. So F Cooks at least have some respect for ND(if he actually did this) IMO it's 55/45 in favor of OU

Wow that's not cool by Cooks. Really respected him till this.


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[Irishman77]

I believe we all have our questions about BVG.

Top BVG 3 for me
1 tons of talent and we have had the worst and 7th worst statistical defenses the last 2 years.
2. Doesn't recruit
3. Becoming a costly liability with future recruits

 

[dang227]

Wow that's not cool by Cooks. Really respected him till this.


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I believe the BGI podcast spoke about Cooks doing this as well.

 

[Irishman77]

I believe we all have our questions about BVG.

Top BVG 3 for me
1 tons of talent and we have had the worst and 7th worst statistical defensesin Notre dame historythe last 2 years.
2. Doesn't recruit
3. Becoming a costly liability with future recruits

 

[GBdomer]

I am really glad the Jerry Cooks thing is sticking. Let's keep it that way when regarding Jerry

 

[GBdomer]

Top BVG 3 for me
1 tons of talent and we have had the worst and 7th worst statistical defenses the last 2 years.
2. Doesn't recruit
3. Becoming a costly liability with future recruits

 

[Booslum31]

Top BVG 3 for me
1 tons of talent and we have had the worst and 7th worst statistical defenses the last 2 years.
2. Doesn't recruit
3. Becoming a costly liability with future recruits

Injuries played a role in #1. No excuse for #2 and #3.

 

[GBdomer]

Injuries played a role in #1. No excuse for #2 and #3.

Sure injuries played a role but when your best players and most talented players don't understand the defense it's to simplify this. If Kelly chooses OU and then questions he's not sure about BVG and the way the defense is headed I will not be a happy camper

 

[BobbyMac]

Is it known what was said by Cooks that qualified as negative recruiting?

Did he lie about something or was he bringing up things that he sees as deficiencies at ND that don't exist at OU?

 

[Domina Nostra]

Wow that's not cool by Cooks. Really respected him till this.


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I really respected you until you just wrote off one of our coaches based on a rumor that, if true, might have just been a bad day... jk

 

[sportallyr]

None of this is verified yet, so please don't jump all over me if this turns out not to be true...but a good friend of mine who is very dialed in with UCLA recruiting just texted me that he heard today that Oklahoma is not going to be re-signing their primary Fresno recruiter, Courtney Viney, who was a grad assistant the last two years. Viney is from Fresno and played at UCLA, so they know him well and there are rumors flying around that he could be looking at joining Mora's staff at UCLA. My buddy also mentioned that he heard that one of the reasons he was not re-signed was that he couldn't close Kelly. Take it with a grain of salt because I can't validate this anywhere online...but if true, this would have to be a good sign for us!

 

[Booslum31]

Sure injuries played a role but when your best players and most talented players don't understand the defense it's to simplify this. If Kelly chooses OU and then questions he's not sure about BVG and the way the defense is headed I will not be a happy camper

Neither will I

 

[zelezo vlk]

None of this is verified yet, so please don't jump all over me if this turns out not to be true...but a good friend of mine who is very dialed in with UCLA recruiting just texted me that he heard today that Oklahoma is not going to be re-signing their primary Fresno recruiter, Courtney Viney, who was a grad assistant the last two years. Viney is from Fresno and played at UCLA, so they know him well and there are rumors flying around that he could be looking at joining Mora's staff at UCLA. My buddy also mentioned that he heard that one of the reasons he was not re-signed was that he couldn't close Kelly. Take it with a grain of salt because I can't validate this anywhere online...but if true, this would have to be a good sign for us!

That would be cool and terrible.

Cool because Kelly would pick ND.

Terrible because now we're going to see the staff lose out on Fresno kids to Jim friggin' Mora.

 

[drake29]

None of this is verified yet, so please don't jump all over me if this turns out not to be true...but a good friend of mine who is very dialed in with UCLA recruiting just texted me that he heard today that Oklahoma is not going to be re-signing their primary Fresno recruiter, Courtney Viney, who was a grad assistant the last two years. Viney is from Fresno and played at UCLA, so they know him well and there are rumors flying around that he could be looking at joining Mora's staff at UCLA. My buddy also mentioned that he heard that one of the reasons he was not re-signed was that he couldn't close Kelly. Take it with a grain of salt because I can't validate this anywhere online...but if true, this would have to be a good sign for us!

Thanks for the info man

 

[NDShark]

None of this is verified yet, so please don't jump all over me if this turns out not to be true...but a good friend of mine who is very dialed in with UCLA recruiting just texted me that he heard today that Oklahoma is not going to be re-signing their primary Fresno recruiter, Courtney Viney, who was a grad assistant the last two years. Viney is from Fresno and played at UCLA, so they know him well and there are rumors flying around that he could be looking at joining Mora's staff at UCLA. My buddy also mentioned that he heard that one of the reasons he was not re-signed was that he couldn't close Kelly. Take it with a grain of salt because I can't validate this anywhere online...but if true, this would have to be a good sign for us!

 

[Rizzophil]

Top BVG 3 for me
1 tons of talent and we have had the worst and 7th worst statistical defensesin Notre dame historythe last 2 years.
2. Doesn't recruit
3. Becoming a costly liability with future recruits

How can you say BVG doesn't recruit? He's been all over the country. I don't understand this.

He's also the defensive coach that held D Watson and C McCaffery to almost their lowest totals of the year.

Yes - BVG's defense has had 5-8 plays a game that has cost us dearly. But why are you writing that in C Kelly's thread without bringing up the positive?

 

[greyhammer90]

None of this is verified yet, so please don't jump all over me if this turns out not to be true...but a good friend of mine who is very dialed in with UCLA recruiting just texted me that he heard today that Oklahoma is not going to be re-signing their primary Fresno recruiter, Courtney Viney, who was a grad assistant the last two years. Viney is from Fresno and played at UCLA, so they know him well and there are rumors flying around that he could be looking at joining Mora's staff at UCLA. My buddy also mentioned that he heard that one of the reasons he was not re-signed was that he couldn't close Kelly. Take it with a grain of salt because I can't validate this anywhere online...but if true, this would have to be a good sign for us!

Not saying you're lying, because I appreciate that you're just repeating info, but that makes no sense to me.

Admittedly I'm an "outsider" when it comes to how recruiting really works on a day-to-day basis, but the idea of a graduate assistant (as in, the kind of guys Brian Kelly has no problem beating up on National TV) being put in charge of a five star recruit, much less the Fresno area, for Oklahoma seems at best a stretch. That's a pretty big job for guys who are glorified film rats. Even more of a stretch to me is that this GA would then be let go because he couldn't sign a single recruit. Even MORE of a stretch to me is that this info implies that Kelly has already made up his mind, the OK coaching staff has heard this from Kelly, and that enough time has passed that they have informed this GA that he will not be signed as a result of this development.

 

[Booslum31]

None of this is verified yet, so please don't jump all over me if this turns out not to be true...but a good friend of mine who is very dialed in with UCLA recruiting just texted me that he heard today that Oklahoma is not going to be re-signing their primary Fresno recruiter, Courtney Viney, who was a grad assistant the last two years. Viney is from Fresno and played at UCLA, so they know him well and there are rumors flying around that he could be looking at joining Mora's staff at UCLA. My buddy also mentioned that he heard that one of the reasons he was not re-signed was that he couldn't close Kelly. Take it with a grain of salt because I can't validate this anywhere online...but if true, this would have to be a good sign for us!

Thanks for posting...maybe something we can hang on to until 8:30 tomorrow night.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I really respected you until you just wrote off one of our coaches based on a rumor that, if true, might have just been a bad day... jk

Former coaches...former


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[tko]

Not saying you're lying, because I appreciate that you're just repeating info, but that makes no sense to me.

Admittedly I'm an "outsider" when it comes to how recruiting really works on a day-to-day basis, but the idea of a graduate assistant (as in, the kind of guys Brian Kelly has no problem beating up on National TV) being put in charge of a five star recruit, much less the Fresno area, for Oklahoma seems at best a stretch. That's a pretty big job for guys who are glorified film rats. Even more of a stretch to me is that this GA would then be let go because he couldn't sign a single recruit. Even MORE of a stretch to me is that this info implies that Kelly has already made up his mind, the OK coaching staff has heard this from Kelly, and that enough time has passed that they have informed this GA that he will not be signed as a result of this development.

c'mon

 

[greyhammer90]

c'mon

I say those words with pride. I love our purple-faced mick bastard.

 

[IrishLion]

I say those words with pride. I love our purple-faced mick bastard.

Racist.

Who cares what color his face is.