'16 CA ATH Damian Alloway (UCLA Verbal)

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Thanks for sharing this Rocketman.

I had looked up Alloway's track times a while back and didn't find them on athletic.net. I must have typo'd because they are there now. I also found an article that Rocketman is probably referencing.

So here's a track comparison (reported by athletic.net) between Sanders and Alloway:

Sanders' bests:

100 = 10.76 (Jr)
200 = 21.88 (Jr)

Alloway's bests:

100 = 10.67 (Jr) ..... 10.62 per attached article below
200 = 22.24 (Jr) ..... 21.8 hand timed at conference meet per same article.

Chris Brown's bests:

100 = 10.51
200 = 21.60

Damian Alloway wins twice at Sunkist League Finals

For what it's worth, numbers say they're very comparable on a track. But like I mentioned before, Chris Brown was faster than Will Fuller on a track.


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I'd rather know their comparative shuttle times. Those are a much better indicator of fluidity/cutting ability and translate much better to the football field.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I like Sherms idea of taking him as a corner. He won't play over CJ Sanders and we can focus on a true slot guy next years class.

I like him at corner, but I wonder why Sanders never played offense this year if his hands are so clearly superior?

 

[BobbyMac]

I'd rather know their comparative shuttle times. Those are a much better indicator of fluidity/cutting ability and translate much better to the football field.

These were just posted to compare the question of speed someone brought up above in relation to CJ-S. I agree with you on the shuttle as a great metric. I thought his and CJ-S's Sparq's were listed already. I'll dig them up.

Shuttle:

CJS = 3.78 fastest recorded 2014

DA = 4.36 2015

 

[IrishLion]

I like him at corner, but I wonder why Sanders never played offense this year if his hands are so clearly superior?

1. BK is notoriously weird about freshmen, especially those that are high-impact special teams guys. I'd imagine he wanted CJ to focus exclusively on the return game during the year, rather than loading him up with offensive stuff too, because...

2. ND, a spread offense, only used 5 WR's this year (Fuller, Brown, Robinson, Carlisle, Hunter). And Hunter barely got on the field. Part of this is because Fuller never came off the field and because Brown was only off the field in favor of Robinson. The other part is because Alize played a ton of WR this past season, especially in the bunch-trips formation that BK/Sanford seemed to love.

I think the upcoming season will go a long way to show how confident they are in Sanders as a pure slot-receiver. He could compliment the "jumbo" receiver package well with his speed. If we weren't so deep at RB, I'd think that maybe he'll be the first true RB/WR combo since Theo.

 

[Luckylucci]

1. BK is notoriously weird about freshmen, especially those that are high-impact special teams guys. I'd imagine he wanted CJ to focus exclusively on the return game during the year, rather than loading him up with offensive stuff too, because...

2. ND, a spread offense, only used 5 WR's this year (Fuller, Brown, Robinson, Carlisle, Hunter). And Hunter barely got on the field. Part of this is because Fuller never came off the field and because Brown was only off the field in favor of Robinson. The other part is because Alize played a ton of WR this past season, especially in the bunch-trips formation that BK/Sanford seemed to love.

I think the upcoming season will go a long way to show how confident they are in Sanders as a pure slot-receiver. He could compliment the "jumbo" receiver package well with his speed. If we weren't so deep at RB, I'd think that maybe he'll be the first true RB/WR combo since Theo.

I'd just add that Kelly clearly has a bias for players that have been in the system and go about things the right way. That certainly holds true with Carlisle. Especially considering the guys behind Carlisle have so much time left to play and produce. Sanders is a special talent and I think that was evident in the return game. Either he's a dummie or has terrible hands, neither of which I believe are true. He starts at slot this year, hopefully.

 

[Domina Nostra]

1. BK is notoriously weird about freshmen, especially those that are high-impact special teams guys. I'd imagine he wanted CJ to focus exclusively on the return game during the year, rather than loading him up with offensive stuff too, because...

2. ND, a spread offense, only used 5 WR's this year (Fuller, Brown, Robinson, Carlisle, Hunter). And Hunter barely got on the field. Part of this is because Fuller never came off the field and because Brown was only off the field in favor of Robinson. The other part is because Alize played a ton of WR this past season, especially in the bunch-trips formation that BK/Sanford seemed to love.

I think the upcoming season will go a long way to show how confident they are in Sanders as a pure slot-receiver. He could compliment the "jumbo" receiver package well with his speed. If we weren't so deep at RB, I'd think that maybe he'll be the first true RB/WR combo since Theo.

I agree with the first two paragraphs. I just have no idea if the third is true.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I like Sherms idea of taking him as a corner. He won't play over CJ Sanders and we can focus on a true slot guy next years class.

The prophet is thinking KVR 2.0

 

[IrishLion]

I agree with the first two paragraphs. I just have no idea if the third is true.

I think CJ will get a fair shake, but it depends on what happens at the outside spots IMO. If Robinson, ESB, and Boykin all do what they need to do, that means Hunter eats up the slot reps, and CJ will be lucky to get mop-up duty.

If the coaches decide that they need Hunter on the outside, CJ will have every chance to do the things Amir Carlisle did.

 

[BobbyMac]

I think CJ will get a fair shake, but it depends on what happens at the outside spots IMO. If Robinson, ESB, and Boykin all do what they need to do, that means Hunter eats up the slot reps, and CJ will be lucky to get mop-up duty.

If the coaches decide that they need Hunter on the outside, CJ will have every chance to do the things Amir Carlisle did.

AJ is going to take more of those slot snaps next year than he did this year I'd imagine.

 

[IrishLion]

AJ is going to take more of those slot snaps next year than he did this year I'd imagine.

For sure, but that's par for the course for an ND tight-end. That still leaves plenty of reps for someone to do what Amir did. Whether that's CJ or Torri depends on where the coaching staff decides Torri needs to be.

 

[Armyirish47]

I'd just add that Kelly clearly has a bias for players that have been in the system and go about things the right way. That certainly holds true with Carlisle. Especially considering the guys behind Carlisle have so much time left to play and produce. Sanders is a special talent and I think that was evident in the return game. Either he's a dummie or has terrible hands, neither of which I believe are true. He starts at slot this year, hopefully.

With all of our outside action in the run game it could also be that Sanders hasn't picked up the blocking piece yet, either from a technique or strength perspective, which I think is part of his bias. An under rated part of our offense this year was the job our receivers did making and sustaining blocks. Maybe it felt too gimmicky to run Sanders out for obvious jet sweeps or passing situations?

 

[Irish#1]

Are we visiting because we're pushing for him or just gauging if he's really considering ND?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Are we visiting because we're pushing for him or just gauging if he's really considering ND?

I would say both. Notre Dame hasn't pushed for his commitment for a few months, but have remained in contact.

 

[Big23Head]

Remained a Scout 4 and #235 overall

 

[Luckylucci]

As posted in Robertson's thread, both Loy and Wiltfong have CB'd him to UCLA. Not sure what exactly the reason was but everyone around Alloway was surprised he didn't commit this summer (to ND) and then didn't again in the fall. At that point ND stopped pushing as hard and with no visit from a coach we've basically aren't spending anymore time on this. IMO, great call by the coaches. They've invested enough time in a kid who will ultimately end up at a school that doesn't even really want him.

 

[BobbyMac]

As posted in Robertson's thread, both Loy and Wiltfong have CB'd him to UCLA. Not sure what exactly the reason was but everyone around Alloway was surprised he didn't commit this summer (to ND) and then didn't again in the fall. At that point ND stopped pushing as hard and with no visit from a coach we've basically aren't spending anymore time on this. IMO, great call by the coaches. They've invested enough time in a kid who will ultimately end up at a school that doesn't even really want him.

Is there any confirmation that Sanford even visited Alloway? I haven't seen anything out here and there is nothing from Alloway saying so. If Sanford did visit him, he must have gotten the, ""It's over speech". which would mean there must be enough guaranteed commits to fill what ND is willing to accept on NSD...or at least at WR maybe in hopes of keeping a spot open for another grad transfer at a needed position. If he didn't get a visit, he got the No Vacancy speech over the phone. Sanford wouldn't have come to the IE without seeing Alloway if he was still on the board, even as a 2nd or 3rd alternate. This trip made it obvious if not official and that's why the 247 twins threw the CB's.

I just hope it has something to do with Robertson.

So it is with much sorrow that I bid thee a fond farewell young Alloway. Deuces.

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[Luckylucci]

Sanford never visited. Seems like that conversation might've been had via phone.

 

[#1rish]

Committed to UCLA.

Sampson noting distance was a big factor.

 

[IrishLax]

Committed to UCLA.

Sampson noting distance was a big factor.

Also a big factor: Notre Dame taking an APB and completely stopping their recruitment of Alloway who was a mediocre -- at best -- prospect.

 

[beryirish]

...finally

 

[ThePiombino]

Also a big factor: Notre Dame taking an APB and completely stopping their recruitment of Alloway who was a mediocre -- at best -- prospect.

ouch lol

 

[NDdomer2]

why not wait 5 more days?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

why not wait 5 more days?

He got the best deal he thought he could get?

 

[Luckylucci]

why not wait 5 more days?

Nobody worth a darn is recruiting him anymore. Like I said before, UCLA doesn't even really want the kid. At least, that's what their board has been talking about for awhile now. They'll take him but he's not a "want" so to speak. I actually feel bad for the kid. ND's staff actually wanted him, meaning I believe they had a plan for how to use him. Sounds like, to Mora and Company, that he is just an add on.

 

[irishandy]

I hope he is happy at UCLA, he had his chances to commit to ND.