'15 CA QB Blake Barnett (Arizona State Transfer)

[koonja]

Well I think he's 'good' and I think he's scratching the surface, but I won't argue the inaccuracy.

It worries me that the QBs had forever and then some to throw in the spring game, and Golson missed about 5 open passes, which is unacceptable.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Well I think he's 'good' and I think he's scratching the surface, but I won't argue the inaccuracy.

It worries me that the QBs had forever and then some to throw in the spring game, and Golson missed about 5 open passes, which is unacceptable.

He will get better as he sees more live reps. I wouldn't be worried about Golson.

 

[GBdomer]

I believe that is what they call completion percentage? Jimmy Clausen was probably the most "accurate" QB in the history of Notre Dame Football and he has a completion percentage of 56% his freshman year. I wouldnt say he was inaccurate as a freshman.

LAX - yes Golson didnt have the greatest deep ball but look who he was throwing too....Robby Toma, John Goodman, and first year player Davaris Daniels? He would have completed more deep passes to Chris Brown if Brown wasnt forced out there. (Brown was far from ready for division 1 football as a freshman) The fact that Brown had to play as a freshman shows the lack of a deep threat. I wouldnt put that on Golson completely.

So if the argument is can his completion % go up and would I like it to go up? Hell yes. But I dont believe thats a great indicator of accuracy. Aaron Murray has SEC passing records against the best defenses in the country and had a career % of 64%, yet is praised for his accuracy?

Aaron Murray sure might not have been accurate his first two years. But his last two 65% is pretty damn good. Sure Everett might be "accurate" later on in his ND career but I don't think he is now.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Aaron Murray sure might not have been accurate his first two years. But his last two 65% is pretty damn good. Sure Everett might be "accurate" later on in his ND career but I don't think he is now.

Murray benefitted from a helluva run game. That alone made it much more easy for him to hit his targets.

 

[GBdomer]

Murray benefitted from a helluva run game. That alone made it much more easy for him to hit his targets.

Ya, well Everett had a decent running game, never one that will ever match what Murray had at UGA. Everett has a couple nice weapons this year. But he has never completed a pass to any of them other then Davaris in a game. Plus with the year off I really don't know what to expect out of him.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

How the hell do you guys keep derailing threads...

 

[Irish YJ]

Golson had awful deep ball accuracy in his first year. Was also poor at "touch" passes. That all is obvious from film and not very debatable. When throwing the fastball on intermediate and short routes he was great though.

One of the more underrated things for this year is if he keeps missing people deep or if his long ball has improved. I'm betting it has. I think it's guaranteed that his touch/finesse throws will be substantially better.

Nailed it. Hoping to see a bunch of EG to Chris Brown, and our other speedy guys who can stretch the field. Honestly I think if we can do this (as well as the fade, etc..) on a consistent basis, we'll have one of the best offenses in 2014.

 

[GBdomer]

Nailed it. Hoping to see a bunch of EG to Chris Brown, and our other speedy guys who can stretch the field. Honestly I think if we can do this (as well as the fade, etc..) on a consistent basis, we'll have one of the best offenses in 2014.

As like in the country?

 

[koonja]

IMO, Chris Brown hasn't shown anything. It's great that he's fast, but so far that hasn't translated to the football field.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fuller puts him on the bench.

 

[GBdomer]

IMO, Chris Brown hasn't shown anything. It's great that he's fast, but so far that hasn't translated to the football field.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fuller puts him on the bench.

Couldn't agree more

 

[Ironman8]

My question is what has Fuller shown that Chris Brown hasn't?

I think both have potential to be very good, but both could very well not ascend to the level some are thinking (and most hoping). If I were betting, I would probably put the odds 60/40 on Brown blowing up more than Fuller in '14, but it's a great thing we have two exciting young talents to debate that with.

I just don't think you can dismiss Brown because he hasn't shown certain things and then state Fuller could pass him, when Fuller hasn't shown those things either. Kind of hypocritical / contradictory to me.

As for EG - anyone who watched ND in 2012 could clearly see he got better and more comfortable as the year went on. He was very good against Oklahoma and USC, and more than held his own in my eyes against Alabama as a RS Freshman on the biggest stage. College Football is all about rapid growth, and expectation based on exponential growth from year to year that can't be projected based on prior year numbers. The turnover is too fast for that. Kids explode out of no where all the time because of it.

I hope EG and this offense explode, and I think they can because of the physical talent we will put on the field and the coaching they receive.

 

[koonja]

My question is what has Fuller shown that Chris Brown hasn't?

I think both have potential to be very good, but both could very well not ascend to the level some are thinking (and most hoping). If I were betting, I would probably put the odds 60/40 on Brown blowing up more than Fuller in '14, but it's a great thing we have two exciting young talents to debate that with.

I just don't think you can dismiss Brown because he hasn't shown certain things and then state Fuller could pass him, when Fuller hasn't shown those things either. Kind of hypocritical / contradictory to me.

As for EG - anyone who watched ND in 2012 could clearly see he got better and more comfortable as the year went on. He was very good against Oklahoma and USC, and more than held his own in my eyes against Alabama as a RS Freshman on the biggest stage. College Football is all about rapid growth, and expectation based on exponential growth from year to year that can't be projected based on prior year numbers. The turnover is too fast for that. Kids explode out of no where all the time because of it.

I hope EG and this offense explode, and I think they can because of the physical talent we will put on the field and the coaching they receive.

You're not going to like this answer because it's not very objective, but even though Fuller is smaller, he just looks and plays more like a football player to me. Brown seems to wait for the ball to get to him, Fuller seems to take every opportunity he gets. He seems tougher and I think just as fast.

Plus he's a year younger and without seeing the numbers, the fact that their production is about equal last year leads me to believe Fuller is on a better trajectory.

 

[GBdomer]

My question is what has Fuller shown that Chris Brown hasn't?

I think both have potential to be very good, but both could very well not ascend to the level some are thinking (and most hoping). If I were betting, I would probably put the odds 60/40 on Brown blowing up more than Fuller in '14, but it's a great thing we have two exciting young talents to debate that with.

I just don't think you can dismiss Brown because he hasn't shown certain things and then state Fuller could pass him, when Fuller hasn't shown those things either. Kind of hypocritical / contradictory to me.

As for EG - anyone who watched ND in 2012 could clearly see he got better and more comfortable as the year went on. He was very good against Oklahoma and USC, and more than held his own in my eyes against Alabama as a RS Freshman on the biggest stage. College Football is all about rapid growth, and expectation based on exponential growth from year to year that can't be projected based on prior year numbers. The turnover is too fast for that. Kids explode out of no where all the time because of it.

I hope EG and this offense explode, and I think they can because of the physical talent we will put on the field and the coaching they receive.

I don't see how Chris Brown will ever explode or do anything. During a 10 game stretch last year he had 3 catches. But who knows Fuller will ever do anything either? Hopefully both make a good impact in the passing game next year, especially on the deep ball.

 

[Buster Bluth]

#TeamFuller

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[Irishman77]

I don't see how you can a wr when the qb doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy to get it there. The sky is the limit for Brown and Fuller IMHO .

 

[GBdomer]

I don't see how you can a wr when the qb doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy to get it there. The sky is the limit for Brown and Fuller IMHO .

The are more routes then just a fly route

 

[Rhode Irish]

I don't see how Chris Brown will ever explode or do anything. During a 10 game stretch last year he had 3 catches. But who knows Fuller will ever do anything either? Hopefully both make a good impact in the passing game next year, especially on the deep ball.

Chris Brown is a deep threat, take-the-top-off-the-defense kind of receiver. That he didn't explode last year with a QB that couldn't get the ball down the field to him doesn't tell me that he won't. I'm definitely not guaranteeing huge year from him, but I wouldn't rule it out, either.

 

[Irish#1]

How the hell do you guys keep derailing threads...

It's an art form.

 

[Ironman8]

I don't see how Chris Brown will ever explode or do anything. During a 10 game stretch last year he had 3 catches. But who knows Fuller will ever do anything either? Hopefully both make a good impact in the passing game next year, especially on the deep ball.

It was a 9 game stretch, but yeah that is a fine point, but it pays no heed to what I said. I don't think you can really base your projection for a current year based on prior year, like you can it professional sports. The turnover is too fast and the circumstances change too quickly.

How much do you attribute Chris Brown's lack of catches to him, and how much do you attribute it to the fact that TJ Jones, Davaris and Niklas were simply higher on depth chart and got way more primary routes / reads? I expect us to have at least as many completions next year as we did last year bare minimum - that means there are a minimum of 112 catches to be picked up by the guys that are still here.

I personally think Brown will pick up a good amount of those, and do it in an explosive way. Do I expect / hope for Fuller to do the same? Yes. I would simply put the odds slightly higher in favor of Brown because of his physical tools, experience, and the whispers of his hard work and leadership of the WR core this spring.

 

[koonja]

I hope Brown proves me a fool, but to me, he's the offensive version of Bennett Jackson.

Really good speed and looks great on paper, but just not a true football player. I don't see the aggression, and I think Fuller has that.

I'll shut up now, because this is going no where good for me, lol.

 

[NDinL.A.]

You can ask anyone who saw Brown this spring and they will tell you they saw a completely different player. Did you guys see the videos? You saw a glimpse there.

And then the 2 practices that were open to the coaches...holy cow. He was ridiculously good. He was the best receiver out there. In back to back plays, he beat Kavarai, who is looking phenomenal himself, on a fly and then a nasty dig route. I'm telling you, Brown looks fantastic.

If he stays focused, he's going to be starting next to DD IMO. Rees wasn't the QB for Brown...that's not his fault. I'll actually take any bet that Brown has more catches than Fuller (barring injury), and at the very least, gets more PT.

 

[GBdomer]

Ya but we also had 6 catches in the bowl game with the same QB "who couldn't get him the ball"

I think some are taking it the wrong way, I hope a big year from Chris Brown but he needs to show at least me more from himself then just running a deep route. Hoping for a big year from Chris Brown

 

[koonja]

Somewhere Beau is on his way home from class and checked IE on his phone and saw this thread.

Started sweating in anger and is pacing home as we speak to drop a bomb on it, lol.

Quick, before he gets home, who wants to fight?

 

[Cackalacky]

I am total Brown homer. I hope he tears it up.

 

[ab2cmiller]

58% is accurate? In our biggest games that year Everett completetion % was

MSU- 43%
Michigan- 37%
Stanford- 50%
Miami- 77%
Oklahoma- 52%
USC- 57%
Alabama- 58%

Miami defense was awful so basically it's news to this guy if he is accurate

I'm a big stats guy. But as we all know, stats can be misleading and sometimes they don't tell the full story. I only picked one game, to watch Everett's throws. I went back and watched the Oklahoma game again.

Everett's stats 13-25 177 yards - as you say 52%

But Everett played the game exactly the way BK wanted him to. Don't make the mistake and throw the ball away if nothing is there avoiding sacks and interceptions.

Breakdown of Everett's throws

13 accurate completions
2 accurate drops
2 accurate incompletions (50 yard throw and a out pattern next to sideline - both balls were thrown where it needed to be against tight coverage)
5 balls intentionally thrown away to avoid taking a loss
3 balls thrown either poorly or somewhat poorly.

Bad completion percentage, but at least in this game, Golson was very accurate.

I'm sure there are other games where his completion percentage was not very good because he was making poor throws. My point is that you can't rely on "good data" like the completion percentages you sited, when in many cases Golson was simply following orders and throwing the ball away.

 

[koonja]

I don't give the benefit of the doubt to QBs by excluding drops/good throws, because that happens for every QB.

So if we say 65% is where the bar is set, if you go through every other QB and credit them for drops, that 65% is no longer 'very good'. Might want to bump it to a bit over 70%.

 

[Ironman8]

Setting a bar is subjective itself. For instance, I would rather Everett have a 65% completion percentage with a much higher yard per attempt than 70% dinking and dunking this year. I'm of a mind that deep throws, even if unsuccessful, will stretch the D and open up bigger runner lanes for our talented backs. I would personally rather see that happen than a higher completion % based on short passes around the line of scrimmage.

 

[koonja]

Setting a bar is subjective itself. For instance, I would rather Everett have a 65% completion percentage with a much higher yard per attempt than 70% dinking and dunking this year. I'm of a mind that deep throws, even if unsuccessful, will stretch the D and open up bigger runner lanes for our talented backs. I would personally rather see that happen than a higher completion % based on short passes around the line of scrimmage.

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with my point that if you're going to say Golson is actually better than his 58% because you're going to take out drops, every other QB is also better than their listed % because every QB probably has 2-4 drops a game.

My point is, it probably is what it is and without running a huge study, it's a fair comparison to take his 58% at face value.

 

[T Town Tommy]

...about that Barnett guy

seriously, Golson should be fine. He will need some time to find his stride and fall practice should help a lot.

One does not have to be deadly accurate on the long ball... just make sure if you miss the other guy can't get it. I would rather have 55-60% completion percentages with the threat of the deep ball hanging out there than have the nickel and dime stuff at 70%. But it's all relative to the flow of the game, the defense you are playing, etc. As long as Golson lets the game come to him, don't do more than asked, make correct reads, and be content with the chechdown when warranted, he and Notre Dame will be just fine.

 

[dad4aa]

Something is wrong with my computer, I keep trying to open Barnett's thread but get taken to Golson's....any ideas?