'13 CA S Max Redfield (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[Irish Insanity]

 

[stlnd01]

that wasn't implied...others stated he wouldn't have graduated, i just was pointing out that he CAN

on the podcast of Jac and Keith arnold---they think he is GONE, grad before summer and transfer

Why?
And can you grad transfer in your fourth year? Or would he have to sit?
Seems like a lot of conclusion-jumping going on here.

 

[kmoose]

This is such a disingenuous argument. I hate it when people act like an arbitrary number of 18 makes people magically into a full grown adult.

Its not that it instantly makes them into a mature adult; it's that it is the age where they have to start facing the adult consequences of their actions. If there wasn't some solid cutoff, koon's mom would still be cutting the crusts off of his pb&j sammiches.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Wait, so now we think he's leaving? That'd be a far worse decision than breaking curfew ahead of the Fiesta Bowl. Redfield could play his way into a pretty high draft pick next year if he can finally put all the pieces together, but right now he'd be a project at best. He seems smart enough to know that, regardless of what happened the other night.
Settle down, y'all.

LOL L O FUCKING L

 

[JD Irish]

Starting to sound exactly like the GAIII situation a couple years ago. In both cases, I think ND is better off.

 

[woolybug25]

Its not that it instantly makes them into a mature adult; it's that it is the age where they have to start facing the adult consequences of their actions. If there wasn't some solid cutoff, koon's mom would still be cutting the crusts off of his pb&j sammiches.

She's not?

 

[stlnd01]

Starting to sound exactly like the GAIII situation a couple years ago. In both cases, I think ND is better off.

I never understand the impulse around here to throw players under the bus.
Redfield's our third leading tackler and a two-year starter. He's apparently a model student-athlete. And before this week there was never a whiff of trouble around him discipline-wise. Has he lived up to his five-star expectations? Maybe not. Has he struggled at times? Sure. But he's developed into a solid ballplayer with all the tools to be very very good. He'll also be one of just two or maybe three (depending on KVR) returning starters in the defensive backfield next year. I don't see how we're possibly better off without him.
He made a mistake. Why not hope he's learned his lesson and takes his opportunity to heart, rather than running him off?

 

[scUM Hater]

I never understand the impulse around here to throw players under the bus.
Redfield's our third leading tackler and a two-year starter. He's apparently a model student-athlete. And before this week there was never a whiff of trouble around him discipline-wise. Has he lived up to his five-star expectations? Maybe not. Has he struggled at times? Sure. But he's developed into a solid ballplayer with all the tools to be very very good. He'll also be one of just two or maybe three (depending on KVR) returning starters in the defensive backfield next year. I don't see how we're possibly better off without him.
He made a mistake. Why not hope he's learned his lesson and takes his opportunity to heart, rather than running him off?

Wasn't the first time he made a mistake from what I've heard.

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[NDinL.A.]

I never understand the impulse around here to throw players under the bus.
Redfield's our third leading tackler and a two-year starter. He's apparently a model student-athlete. And before this week there was never a whiff of trouble around him discipline-wise. Has he lived up to his five-star expectations? Maybe not. Has he struggled at times? Sure. But he's developed into a solid ballplayer with all the tools to be very very good. He'll also be one of just two or maybe three (depending on KVR) returning starters in the defensive backfield next year. I don't see how we're possibly better off without him.
He made a mistake. Why not hope he's learned his lesson and takes his opportunity to heart, rather than running him off?

I can agree with the "we're quick to run him off" part, myself probably included.

But he's not been a model student-athlete. This wasn't a one-time thing with him, or else he wouldn't have been sent home. He's been a discipline problem (not major, but things that add up) all year, and he's also known as a "me guy" among his teammates.

He's also not been solid this year. Solid against the run, sure, but absolutely awful against the pass. And he freelances so much (this from several analysts that know more than I do) that it has really hurt the defense - another sign of his selfishness.

You're right in that he has all the tools, but there is no maybe about him not living up to expectations. He's been a kind of a big disappointment IMHO. I actually really hope he comes back, but with that, I hope he comes back with a better attitude, with a more team approach. He's young, so there's definitely time to change and room to grow...

 

[BGIF]

I never understand the impulse around here to throw players under the bus.
Redfield's our third leading tackler and a two-year starter. He's apparently a model student-athlete. And before this week there was never a whiff of trouble around him discipline-wise. Has he lived up to his five-star expectations? Maybe not. Has he struggled at times? Sure. But he's developed into a solid ballplayer with all the tools to be very very good. He'll also be one of just two or maybe three (depending on KVR) returning starters in the defensive backfield next year. I don't see how we're possibly better off without him.
He made a mistake. Why not hope he's learned his lesson and takes his opportunity to heart, rather than running him off?

I can agree with the "we're quick to run him off" part, myself probably included.

But he's not been a model student-athlete. This wasn't a one-time thing with him, or else he wouldn't have been sent home. He's been a discipline problem (not major, but things that add up) all year, and he's also known as a "me guy" among his teammates.

He's also not been solid this year. Solid against the run, sure, but absolutely awful against the pass. And he freelances so much (this from several analysts that know more than I do) that it has really hurt the defense - another sign of his selfishness.

You're right in that he has all the tools, but there is no maybe about him not living up to expectations. He's been a kind of a big disappointment IMHO. I actually really hope he comes back, but with that, I hope he comes back with a better attitude, with a more team approach. He's young, so there's definitely time to change and room to grow...

Both well put,

 

[Guest]

If this is a divorce from the program and he transfers, it is probably more of a mutual decision. The team has been frustrated with the lack of development at safety and Redfield had the highest expectations coming in. Certain recruiting moves last year and the bumper crop of safeties coming in this year have shown the team was not satisfied and was preparing to go in a different direction at safety. Perhaps both parties saw the writing on the wall and are making the decision to move on from his time here.

 

[stlnd01]

I can agree with the "we're quick to run him off" part, myself probably included.

But he's not been a model student-athlete. This wasn't a one-time thing with him, or else he wouldn't have been sent home. He's been a discipline problem (not major, but things that add up) all year, and he's also known as a "me guy" among his teammates.

Fair enough. I'm not privy to the day-to-day inside stuff, just what I read in the papers and around here, which generally make Redfield out to be a solid citizen, and maybe one ironically too engaged in his studies to reach his full potential on the field. But I agree the punishment this week suggests it was not his first offense.
Either way, if he's a bit of a head case, I'm hoping this sets him straight, he sticks around and lives up to his tremendous potential next year.

 

[PANDFAN]

Fair enough. I'm not privy to the day-to-day inside stuff, just what I read in the papers and around here, which generally make Redfield out to be a solid citizen, and maybe one ironically too engaged in his studies to reach his full potential on the field. But I agree the punishment this week suggests it was not his first offense.
Either way, if he's a bit of a head case, I'm hoping this sets him straight, he sticks around and lives up to his tremendous potential next year.

from listening to the podcast between jac collinsworth and keith arnold....jac made it very well KNOWN that max is a bit of a free spirit and kind of beats to his own drum...also said he doesn't always thinks before making decisions....so hearing all of this makes it sound like there was def a pattern of behavior

 

[gkIrish]

I can agree with the "we're quick to run him off" part, myself probably included.

But he's not been a model student-athlete. This wasn't a one-time thing with him, or else he wouldn't have been sent home. He's been a discipline problem (not major, but things that add up) all year, and he's also known as a "me guy" among his teammates.

Not saying all this isn't true but I find it interesting that we don't hear a peep about Max's off the field behavior at all during the season but once he is sent home all this other stuff comes out.

To me there is a direct correlation between player performance and how quickly people will throw said player under the bus if he messes up off the field. If Jaylon was sent home this board would lose its collective mind and I guarantee most fans would question the decision much more than I see people questioning the decision in this situation.

I don't know what exactly happened but I still haven't heard anything that makes me believe sitting him for the 1st quarter wouldn't accomplish the same goal.

 

[woolybug25]

Not saying all this isn't true but I find it interesting that we don't hear a peep about Max's off the field behavior at all during the season but once he is sent home all this other stuff comes out.

To me there is a direct correlation between player performance and how quickly people will throw said player under the bus if he messes up off the field. If Jaylon was sent home this board would lose its collective mind and I guarantee most fans would question the decision much more than I see people questioning the decision in this situation.

I don't know what exactly happened but I still haven't heard anything that makes me believe sitting him for the 1st quarter wouldn't accomplish the same goal.

 

[irishfan]

We've had some changes on defense over Kelly's 6 seasons, but his Safetys tend to show huge improvement in their senior seasons historically.

Harrison Smith racked up INTs his 4th season, but he was way better his RS Senior year in 2011.

Slaughter went from being hit-or-miss his career to very consistent in 2011.

Motta played almost perfect football given his talent in 2012.

Farley has been moved around in the secondary a bunch so he's not a classic Safety per se, but he's been great these last two seasons after a solid freshman year and a horrible sophomore year.

Shumate was great this season after IMO being a disappointment the last two years.

Obviously, this progression is true at every position, but for whatever reason it sees like our Safetys under Kelly tend to make HUGE improvements in their senior seasons. I would love to have him back for one more year.

 

[PANDFAN]

Not saying all this isn't true but I find it interesting that we don't hear a peep about Max's off the field behavior at all during the season but once he is sent home all this other stuff comes out.

To me there is a direct correlation between player performance and how quickly people will throw said player under the bus if he messes up off the field. If Jaylon was sent home this board would lose its collective mind and I guarantee most fans would question the decision much more than I see people questioning the decision in this situation.

I don't know what exactly happened but I still haven't heard anything that makes me believe sitting him for the 1st quarter wouldn't accomplish the same goal.

PER the podcast--jac collinsworth noted it was a missed curfew and late to meeting.....this apparently isn't his first infraction

 

[woolybug25]

PER the podcast--jac collinsworth noted it was a missed curfew and late to meeting.....this apparently isn't his first infraction

I think that people need to be concise when talking about this in order to be fair though. Let's not confuse being late to meetings, missing curfew, etc with being a "bad kid". Max has zero academic issues and has never gotten into legal trouble. So I think it's important to note that he isn't a problem like that. Does he seem to have issues with authority? Does he disregard the coaches far too often? Sure on both counts... but let's not run him into the mud as if he's a bad kid. He's not out stealing, getting busted with drugs or getting into fights. He is just being a dummy and has bad punctuality.

 

[IrishLax]

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[IrishLax]

I think that people need to be concise when talking about this in order to be fair though. Let's not confuse being late to meetings, missing curfew, etc with being a "bad kid". Max has zero academic issues and has never gotten into legal trouble. So I think it's important to note that he isn't a problem like that. Does he seem to have issues with authority? Does he disregard the coaches far too often? Sure on both counts... but let's not run him into the mud as if he's a bad kid. He's not out stealing, getting busted with drugs or getting into fights. He is just being a dummy and has bad punctuality.

Agreed, wooly. I hate when young people get a pass for criminal or unethical behavior on account of being "immature"...

...but I feel like where "immature" could be correctly applied is with things like punctuality, respect, deference to authority, etc. There's a very big difference in my book between a kid stepping a toe out of line a couple times with team rules, and someone actually being a bad person. I have yet to see or hear any evidence of Max being "bad" and hope people don't label him as such.

 

[gkIrish]

PER the podcast--jac collinsworth noted it was a missed curfew and late to meeting.....this apparently isn't his first infraction

Again, not worthy of a full game suspension to me. I don't recall him ever being suspended before? I think he has sat out games due to poor play but never for off-the-field behavior. So if that's the case then why not penalize him in a reasonable manner for the first time (one quarter) and then if he does it again by all means suspend him for a full game.

I'm all for running a clean program and doing things "the right way" but at some point you have to say okay....(a) I can send home our starting safety because he drank too much and woke up too late and seriously hurt our chances to win the game or (b) sit him in the first quarter, which is arguably more embarrassing because the cameras can actually hone in on him when the announcers discuss his suspension. But it doesn't hurt the team's chance to win nearly as much. Again, we are talking about missing a meeting--- not doing cocaine or something more serious.

It's not like we have program-wide problem of kids being late to meetings that BK needs to send a message to the whole team. This is a very isolated incident.

 

[GoldenDomer]

You're there for one thing and only thing only; beating Ohio State.

If you're not committed to that, take your ass home.

 

[Irish#1]

Agreed, wooly. I hate when young people get a pass for criminal or unethical behavior on account of being "immature"...

...but I feel like where "immature" could be correctly applied is with things like punctuality, respect, deference to authority, etc. There's a very big difference in my book between a kid stepping a toe out of line a couple times with team rules, and someone actually being a bad person. I have yet to see or hear any evidence of Max being "bad" and hope people don't label him as such.

Both of you make very valid points. I think the youth of today miss the "respect mark" whether intentional or not. BK used the same punishment Lou did with Brooks and Watters. It's a clear statement that you need to respect your coaches, teammates and the rules as the team is much more important than one individual.

 

[PANDFAN]

I think that people need to be concise when talking about this in order to be fair though. Let's not confuse being late to meetings, missing curfew, etc with being a "bad kid". Max has zero academic issues and has never gotten into legal trouble. So I think it's important to note that he isn't a problem like that. Does he seem to have issues with authority? Does he disregard the coaches far too often? Sure on both counts... but let's not run him into the mud as if he's a bad kid. He's not out stealing, getting busted with drugs or getting into fights. He is just being a dummy and has bad punctuality.

i wasn't saying he was a bad kid or anything...just noting there was a pattern of behavior that has been built over the course of his time and then 2x's in 24hrs...it was questioned why we haven ever heard anything before on him and i wanted to let it be known what was being said

 

[gkIrish]

You're there for one thing and only thing only; beating Ohio State.

If you're not committed to that, take your ass home.

Would Joe Schmidt be sent home for doing the same thing?

 

[woolybug25]

i wasn't saying he was a bad kid or anything...just noting there was a pattern of behavior that has been built over the course of his time and then 2x's in 24hrs...it was questioned why we haven ever heard anything before on him and i wanted to let it be known what was being said

No worries, I didn't mean to make it look like you were saying that. I was just adding to your comment. I probably could have posted that without quoting anything at all.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Would Joe Schmidt be sent home for doing the same thing?

Not only would Joe not miss cerfew or be late, he'd be in his room hours early and run the meeting

 

[GoldenDomer]

Would Joe Schmidt be sent home for doing the same thing?

I would hope so/think so! It's not like we have an abundance of safeties so we can just send them home without any issues.

 

[Booslum31]

I bet some of his teammates are pissed at him and some of his teammates are pissed at the coaches. Not good either way.

When I was in college our coaches paired us up with another player and we were "responsible" for the other player when we traveled. If he was late or got in trouble...you both were late and in trouble. And if he didn't play... you didn't play. We hated it...but it worked.

 

[PANDFAN]

Wiltfong made this comment today It's time for Max Redfield to be coachable, stop acting like he knows everything and play sound football. ...i was surprised i must say for him to come right out with this as he is usually not so forward...makes some sense now why he has been what he has been...ben koyack potential