Mike Sanford Jr. To WKU

[Emcee77]

This is how many coaches end up killing their careers though. You're better off taking a Group of Five job with history of winning and good support than a Power 5 bottom dweller. Matt Campbell is absurd for taking the Iowa State job.

People really don't grasp how bad the UVA job is. It's like Michigan State, if Michigan State had no booster support and no history. So it's more like if Cincinnati got moved up to the Big Ten and had to compete with Ohio State + neighbors... but still probably with less funding/support.

As someone with family ties to both Virginia and Ohio, I think that's a pretty strong comparison. Virginia has more going for it as a school so I could see someone seeing more potential in that gig, but as things stand right now, in terms of their football standing, pretty good comparison.

 

[Rack Em]

This is how many coaches end up killing their careers though. You're better off taking a Group of Five job with history of winning and good support than a Power 5 bottom dweller. Matt Campbell is absurd for taking the Iowa State job.

People really don't grasp how bad the UVA job is. It's like Michigan State, if Michigan State had no booster support and no history. So it's more like if Cincinnati got moved up to the Big Ten and had to compete with Ohio State + neighbors... but still probably with less funding/support.

Bingo. Look at Tom Herman and Houston. Getting a big pay day from them before leaving in 2 years.

 

[Irish#1]

Before this year, I thought BK was likely gone after the season. My vibe now -- especially with the way everyone is recruiting -- is that he really likes his situation and thinks he can win big with these QBs. Also, unlike with other players/teams that have been more frustrating than anything, I've heard from multiple places how much he respects the effort and tenacity of this team through all of the injuries and such. He seems genuinely proud of them. So I actually think he stays for a couple more years, despite some very good NFL offers in this cycle.

If you're Sanford and ND continues to dominate on offense, you're looking at ALWAYS having the ability take a "UVA" level job, and a high likelihood of being able to get something much better (even potentially the ND job). Remember, he's 33 and has plenty of time to build his career.

Agree

 

[ND NYC]

Sanford's only 33..."don't shake the tree if the fruit aint ripe"

#patienceandresultswillpayoff

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Before this year, I thought BK was likely gone after the season. My vibe now -- especially with the way everyone is recruiting -- is that he really likes his situation and thinks he can win big with these QBs. Also, unlike with other players/teams that have been more frustrating than anything, I've heard from multiple places how much he respects the effort and tenacity of this team through all of the injuries and such. He seems genuinely proud of them. So I actually think he stays for a couple more years, despite some very good NFL offers in this cycle.

If you're Sanford and ND continues to dominate on offense, you're looking at ALWAYS having the ability take a "UVA" level job, and a high likelihood of being able to get something much better (even potentially the ND job). Remember, he's 33 and has plenty of time to build his career.

Exatly. If he blows it up at ND (which considering how stacked the is offense should be next year), he should wait until a bigger gig comes up. If he doesn't end up with the ND gig he could get a spot like Narduzzi did with a team like Pitt, which is a much better gig IMO.

 

[Redbar]

If I remember correctly Sanford came to ND to work with and learn from BK. That tells me this guy has thought things through and is smart enough to know he has a lot more to learn in order to be a good HC. Take a HC position at a power 5 conference school with little experience and you set yourself up for failure. Once you fail at one school, you can't remove that from your resume.

Sanford doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to leave just yet. Just MO.

This is the way I read this situation also.

 

[dmort]

Sanford is happy at ND he is telling recruits.Awesome news !!

Sanford tells recruits he’s not leaving Notre Dame | Inside the Irish

 

[Bubbles]

He also has a young family IIRC, and that makes moves very difficult...speaking from recent experience. I realize the coaching ranks and families are a different animal, but I would think he would seek out stability in a good situation. JMHO.

 

[BobbyMac]

Lax,

I've never done the rep thing before but I'm going to figure it out after reading your posts on the last page. Good job.

The 757 is not in UVa's wheelhouse when it comes to demographics. A 30 win basketball team only has one player from there to put it into perspective and Tony is going to take Ryan's job at Wisconsin even though he's the two time ACC Champ.

London was a good hire for a tough job. London being black is a definite plus. I'd go after either ECU or JMU's coach unless there is a D/ O coordinator at a regional P5 that wants the 5 year paycheck before he gets canned. If Torrian Gray, VaTech'd DB guru could have gotten to D Coordinator before Beamer hung it up he would have been a great fit. Other than that, they'll get an NFL retread looking for a paycheck before he goes into broadcasting or full retirement.

As far as Sanford or anyone else who wants to get a Top 20 job when they hit their prime: UVa is a horrible job.

IF Sanford wanted to run his own show until CBK replaces Belichick, he'd be better off grabbing Fleck's job at WMU when he takes the Temple job after Rhule decides where he wants to land. If not WMU, take the Toledo gig now that Campbell is at ISU or Bowling Green when Babers gets the Syracuse job. Stay close and win instead of UVa and struggling. Hopefully, he stays and makes the eventual transition a seamless one. It can't be that far off one would think.

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[stlnd01]

As far as Sanford or anyone else who wants to get a Top 20 job when they hit their prime: UVa is a horrible job.

IF Sanford wanted to run his own show until CBK replaces Belichick, he'd be better off grabbing Fleck's job at WMU when he takes the Temple job after Rhule decides where he wants to land. If not WMU, take the Toledo gig now that Campbell is at ISU or Bowling Green when Babers gets the Syracuse job. Stay close and win instead of UVa and struggling. Hopefully, he stays and makes the eventual transition a seamless one. It can't be that far off one would think.

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Wow there are some big-time assumptions baked into this one (you provocateur, you). But if there's one thing the Brian Kelly Experience (and the 13 years before it) has taught us, I think, it's that Notre Dame does best these days with an experienced, CEO-style coach who isn't learning on the job.

I love what Sanford has done for Kizer, I love his upside, and I could envision a future where he's our head coach. But he's going to need more than a few years as our OC-in-name-only and/or running a MAC program to make that jump. I tend to think he's the coach after our next coach, unless BK lasts a lot longer than anticipated.

 

[BobbyMac]

Wow there are some big-time assumptions baked into this one (you provocateur, you). But if there's one thing the Brian Kelly Experience (and the 13 years before it) has taught us, I think, it's that Notre Dame does best these days with an experienced, CEO-style coach who isn't learning on the job.

I love what Sanford has done for Kizer, I love his upside, and I could envision a future where he's our head coach. But he's going to need more than a few years as our OC-in-name-only and/or running a MAC program to make that jump. I tend to think he's the coach after our next coach, unless BK lasts a lot longer than anticipated.

Oh yeah... when I do it I go big.

If Kelly's at ND for 3 more years and Sanford is put on the Associate HC path then I'm ok with it. If not I'm with you, he should go run his own show and get experience.

I am in the super minority here... I hope when CBK leaves that Urban wants the job for his final challenge. Or I think I do, sometimes... kinda sorta. lol


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[koonja]

Wlifong posted on 247 that it'd take something really special for Sanford to leave ND right now. Says he and his family love it and there's no where he'd rather coach. And the staff seems to be clicking and really like their projected team the next couple of years.

PS, I'm still completely on board for considering Sanford as ND's head coach in a couple of years. I don't have pre-requisites for elite talent. I wouldn't turn Mark Zuckerberg away because he didn't finish college.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Has been a lot of chatter out of VA about Mike Sanford…. hear that at this time he is not a candidate at UVA. More-> <a href="https://t.co/EWE9WZcyiI">https://t.co/EWE9WZcyiI</a></p>— FootballScoop Staff (@FootballScoop) <a href="https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/672443846429556737">December 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[NDdomer2]

Wlifong posted on 247 that it'd take something really special for Sanford to leave ND right now. Says he and his family love it and there's no where he'd rather coach. And the staff seems to be clicking and really like their projected team the next couple of years.

PS, I'm still completely on board for considering Sanford as ND's head coach in a couple of years. I don't have pre-requisites for elite talent. I wouldn't turn Mark Zuckerberg away because he didn't finish college.

thats because you know his end result.

He also would have probably graduated from college had he not invented Facebook. (dude was going to Harvard, he wasn't no dummy)

Not sure i see the relation to Mike Sanford and his ability to lead a major Div. 1 program w/o HC experience.

 

[Ironman8]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Has been a lot of chatter out of VA about Mike Sanford…. hear that at this time he is not a candidate at UVA. More-> <a href="https://t.co/EWE9WZcyiI">https://t.co/EWE9WZcyiI</a></p>— FootballScoop Staff (@FootballScoop) <a href="https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/672443846429556737">December 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Translation:

UVA wants him. He's not going there this year.

 

[dublinirish]

Dykes would be a decent hire for UVA

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I am on board with Sanford replacing Kelly in a few years as well. Why not? yeah he won't have the coaching experience like a big name coach but I think he would thrive and bring in some big time talent to South Bend. He is a guy that recruits can relate to.

 

[Ironman8]

I am on board with Sanford replacing Kelly in a few years as well. Why not? yeah he won't have the coaching experience like a big name coach but I think he would thrive and bring in some big time talent to South Bend. He is a guy that recruits can relate to.

ND will not hire a coach with no previous HC experience. I'd bet the house on that.

 

[koonja]

ND will not hire a coach with no previous HC experience. I'd bet the house on that.

I agree it's unlikely because ND won't need to, but I think they should consider Sanford if everything keeps going the way it seems to be.

 

[PANDFAN]

per wiltfong and his sources around the team and from talking w/ Mike---he would be VERY surprised if he left for another oc job(some georgia rumors are out there) but that it would have to be an intriguing HC position to move his fam once again

 

[koonja]

Past five years for Mike Sanford have ended with Fiesta, Rose, Rose, Fiesta, Fiesta. Not too shabby.

But we should let him walk in a few years because we are ND and he doesn't have the required classes.

GTFO with prerequisites for elite talent, SMH.

 

[IrishLion]

Past five years for Mike Sanford have ended with Fiesta, Rose, Rose, Fiesta, Fiesta. Not too shabby.

But we should let him walk in a few years because we are ND and he doesn't have the required classes.

GTFO with prerequisites for elite talent, SMH.

You REALLY want someone to challenge you on this lol.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Past five years for Mike Sanford have ended with Fiesta, Rose, Rose, Fiesta, Fiesta. Not too shabby.

But we should let him walk in a few years because we are ND and he doesn't have the required classes.

GTFO with prerequisites for elite talent, SMH.

He hasn't even called plays for ND. C'mon Koon, give him a fair shot and don't force it.

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[koonja]

You REALLY want someone to challenge you on this lol.

No, almost everyone is of the mindset that you must be a HC before you coach at ND. When he has loads of experience with ND and is an elite talent, I'm not letting him walk out of the door without seriously considering him. I think it's a closed minded theory and will bite us square one day and I'm already upset about it.

 

[koonja]

He hasn't even called plays for ND. C'mon Koon, give him a fair shot and don't force it.

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If I didn't force it I'd never get anywhere.

 

[Irish#1]

He hasn't even called plays for ND. C'mon Koon, give him a fair shot and don't force it.

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Koon's a glass half empty kind of guy. Never lets facts get in the way of his emotions. lol

 

[koonja]

Koon's a glass half empty kind of guy. Never lets facts get in the way of his emotions. lol

Some facts have little relevance.

 

[IrishLion]

No, almost everyone is of the mindset that you must be a HC before you coach at ND. When he has loads of experience with ND and is an elite talent, I'm not letting him walk out of the door without seriously considering him. I think it's a closed minded theory and will bite us square one day and I'm already upset about it.

He doesn't have loads of experience yet, though. In a few years, if he is basically running the offensive side of things while BK GM's, and if he has that "Associate HC" title that means he's learning how to actually do the full job, then yeah you take a shot on the young guy that's a brilliant QB coach/offensive guru.

But if he's a coordinator in two or three years but hasn't been learning how to build/run/operate a program and make his own hires for an ENTIRE football staff, then no, you want to try to get a more proven commodity first.

 

[greyhammer90]

No, almost everyone is of the mindset that you must be a HC before you coach at ND. When he has loads of experience with ND and is an elite talent, I'm not letting him walk out of the door without seriously considering him. I think it's a closed minded theory and will bite us square one day and I'm already upset about it.

You're fighting a straw man. NO ONE is saying that being a prior head coach is the single quantifiable measure that ND should consider. What we are saying is that ND is a top tier job and should take the absolute best available. It is HIGHLY unlikely that a coordinator with no head coaching experience is the most qualified at the position. Especially after we consider the high burden of administrative hurdles unique to the ND position.

Handing the keys over to the golden boy and praying he's the next wunderkind is for the UCLA,/Virginia Techs of the world, not us.

 

[koonja]

You're fighting a straw man. NO ONE is saying that being a prior head coach is the single quantifiable measure that ND should consider. What we are saying is that ND is a top tier job and should take the absolute best available. It is HIGHLY unlikely that a coordinator with no head coaching experience is the most qualified at the position. Especially after we consider the high burden of administrative hurdles unique to the ND position.

Handing the keys over to the golden boy and praying he's the next wunderkind is for the UCLA,/Virginia Techs of the world, not us.

Sure is. Also highly unlikely to be called the best assistant coach in the country at 32 years old. Special talent = toss your list of guidelines out the window and make an ad hoc assessment.