College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[gkIrish]

gkIrish: will you relax for me. Stick around and please keep posting. But relax with the feeling of impending doom, and the strongly slanted case, with analysts reporting ND will be jumped or completely left out, if tonight we're ranked #3?

Because that's exactly what is gonna happen. (Me thinks.)

If we get bumped out at any time, I'll start our New Year's bowl thread. And I'll be the first to say, gkIrish was absolutely right!

I agree that we will be ranked #3 tonight. I have always said we only might get jumped after Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St. Same with Iowa/Michigan St. They only jump us after they play each other.

 

[IrishLax]

TCU Coach Gary Patterson Calls For Six Or Eight Team Playoff | The Star-Telegram

The drum beat for the very logical 8 or 6 team playoff where each conference champ automatically gets a spot. It's so logical, and needs to happen soon or ND is going to get forced into a conference.

An 8 team playoff where you use 4x "New Year's 6" bowls for the quarters is awfully easy. You then either rotate the other two into semis OR you create random, rotating semifinal games that stadiums can bid on like the championship.

If the FCS can have a 24-team playoff while being real schools where real student take real classes, there is no reason besides preserving the money making bowl system to not have at least an 8 team playoff.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think it has to go this route as well. I also agree with his stance that inside the top 6-8 teams, most those teams could beat each other on any given day. Thats why the NCAA basketball tournament is so fun to watch.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I agree that we will be ranked #3 tonight. I have always said we only might get jumped after Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St. Same with Iowa/Michigan St. They only jump us after they play each other.

I wouldn't be so fast to say that, but hope you're right. The rest of the world is already so excited to have MSU and Oklahoma up there, some of that will have to resonate with the committee IMO. 5th wouldn't shock me tonight.

 

[Gweeds]

Long time reader here.

I agree that we are headed for an eight-team playoff and agree that it would be exciting. But it will not eliminate controversy and not just when the SEC will claim three spots each year. The problem will be the location for these games. Multi-week playoffs work in the NFL and in lower divisions of college football because they play games in the stadiums of higher seeds. But NFL fans accept that a 12-4 Green Bay deserves that home field over a 10-6 Dallas as we take NFL schedules as somewhat balanced (even though they are not). But home games are a tricky matter in FBS as the fight to get the home field--which would be a huge advantage--would involve a lot of politics. Sure the 8th seed is happy to be there and would not complain, this year for example, in traveling to Clemson or Alabama, but would ND be psyched about having to go to say Norman if OU earned the 4th spot and the Irish the 5th when the teams are pretty close based on resumes?

Or they may keep them in the traditional bowl locations, but that would be hugely unfair to the Big Ten and Notre Dame. Except for the very rich, fans of Northern schools are not going to travel to Dallas for week one, then Phoenix for the national semis and then say Pasadena for the title game. A fan of a Big 12 school or Pac 12 south would be more likely to do so. And, of course, the southern schools would not have to travel too much as you know they will want power teams playing close by in round one to help attendance. We have already witnessed Miami winning national titles after playing in the Orange Bowl, LSU after playing in New Orleans and USC after playing in nearby Pasadena. This would be worse. ND probably has an advantage in that the base is national but how many MSU fans are in the deep South? To win a title, Sparty would have to play three straight games in which they should expect a significant disadvantage in the size of the crowds, especially in the first two rounds.

 

[Booslum31]

I wouldn't be so fast to say that, but hope you're right. The rest of the world is already so excited to have MSU and Oklahoma up there, some of that will have to resonate with the committee IMO. 5th wouldn't shock me tonight.

I think we will be fifth. I've been listening to too much College Sports Radio and ESPN.

 

[Irish2155]

I think we will be fifth. I've been listening to too much College Sports Radio and ESPN.

That is exactly what makes me think we stay in the top 4. Talking heads for the most part haven't has us in the top 4 yet all year.

 

[irishff1014]

TCU Coach Gary Patterson Calls For Six Or Eight Team Playoff | The Star-Telegram

The drum beat for the very logical 8 or 6 team playoff where each conference champ automatically gets a spot. It's so logical, and needs to happen soon or ND is going to get forced into a conference.

An 8 team playoff where you use 4x "New Year's 6" bowls for the quarters is awfully easy. You then either rotate the other two into semis OR you create random, rotating semifinal games that stadiums can bid on like the championship.

If the FCS can have a 24-team playoff while being real schools where real student take real classes, there is no reason besides preserving the money making bowl system to not have at least an 8 team playoff.

Very true Lax. If the NCAA said to ND you have to join. A conference would staying in the acc be our best bet?

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

I think we move up to 3rd. Oklahoma's and Michigan State's bad losses don't go away. What did Iowa do to jump us this week?

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought there was a clause in ND's contract with the ACC that requires ND to join the ACC if they join any conference.

 

[Irish2155]

The Iowa love is comical. Just look at the "B10" schedule. How do you play in that conference and not have UM, MSU or OSU?...the top three teams in the conference including Iowa. Best out of conference is Pitt, win by 3 points.

OU loss to TX handily. That alone sets us apart from them. All that love for the "tough" schedule in the last three games is drastically overrated. I'd bet on Stanford against OkSU, Baylor and OU.

 

[johnnycando]

That is exactly what makes me think we stay in the top 4. Talking heads for the most part haven't has us in the top 4 yet all year.

Bingo!!!!

Thank you.

 

[rocket66]

That is exactly what makes me think we stay in the top 4. Talking heads for the most part haven't has us in the top 4 yet all year.

Ha I thought the same thing. Mostly all of the talking heads have had us out of the top 4 all year, and then mostly back track and justify our ranking on Wednesday and Thursday.


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[Whiskeyjack]

Hinton has us at 5th this week:

Wish he'd replace FPI with FEI or F/+.

 

[dang227]

Very true Lax. If the NCAA said to ND you have to join. A conference would staying in the acc be our best bet?

I would love if ND joined the Big 10. They would dominate the west division. I don't understand why recruiting would suffer? Ohio State and Michigan recruit nationally from that conference. ACC just doesn't appeal to me as a football conference.

 

[NCND]

Not gonna lie, kinda nervous about these rankings. IF OU somehow is ahead of ND.. trouble. If Iowa or MSU, not so much because they are likely to play eachother in the B1G Championship. Hope for the best men..

 

[KPENN]

Hinton has us at 5th this week:

Wish he'd replace FPI with FEI or F/+.

Besides the obvious, OSU above Iowa? GTFO

 

[ND NYC]

if this thing ever expanded past 4 teams (not saying I think it will or should) I would have no issue with the "first round games" being played at the higher seeds home stadiums.

I like the 6 team, with top 2 getting byes, and then do what we have now, makes the regular season still matter. anything past 6 and really is too much dilution to the regular season (and scheduling good games) mattering they way that it should

 

[ND NYC]

I would love if ND joined the Big 10. They would dominate the west division. I don't understand why recruiting would suffer? Ohio State and Michigan recruit nationally from that conference. ACC just doesn't appeal to me as a football conference.

this is ban worthy, where are the mods!!

 

[philipm31]

Even then. Assuming the Big 10, SEC, and Clemson lock up their slots, ND could still get in with a close win against Stanford depending on how Oklahoma looks against Oklahoma State, even if they win.

Actually, OU has the leeway, ND does not. It NEVER has leeway. Honestly, ND needs to be UNDEFEATED just to be in the conversation. How do people who follow the team NOT realize that ND is not even considered if they have to compare one-loss resumes?

ND can NOT go into OT vs Stanford. OU could because they could be a conference champ and have more wins over Top Ten teams (at the time of the game) than ND. In fact, ND has ZERO wins over Top Ten teams (at the time of the game), so if they beat Stanford by one point, that is not even close to good enough.

When you compare best Ws, then ND is not an automatic "win and in" team, because their best win is either Temple or Navy, which is NOT impressive, especially compared to OU's season-ending stretch. People need to realize that outside of being undefeated, ND does not just need to win. They need to win CONVINCINGLY. OU wins by 3-7 points and they jump ND, easily.

 

[johnnycando]

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[NDgradstudent]

I would love if ND joined the Big 10. They would dominate the west division. I don't understand why recruiting would suffer? Ohio State and Michigan recruit nationally from that conference. ACC just doesn't appeal to me as a football conference.

The Big 10 is for giant state universities and Northwestern; the ACC includes more small private schools. We would have to join the Big 10 in all other sports, of course, which would be a step down in most cases (certainly in lacrosse, hockey, soccer, basketball, and baseball).

Not convinced it would be an improvement in football over the ACC, either.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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Why does there always seem to be a lot of talk about wins against teams who were ranked at the time for SEC schools "Alabama beat then #2 LSU, #5 Georgia," etc. but you never hear stuff like "ND beat then #14 Georgia Tech?"

 

[Booslum31]

I have to look at the preseason prediction thread but I think I said we would be 11-1 with a loss to Clemson and would be on the outside looking in. MAN I hope I was wrong. Hoping OU loses to OSU, Penn St. pulls a miracle against MSU, Mich beats OSU, and Iowa loses in the Big 10 championship.

 

[philipm31]

^

Actually, no it is not.

Look at 2012, and the amount of hand-wringing people and CONSTANT discussion people were saying that ND was not worthy, even when they were the only unbeaten in the country.

And honestly, ND has very unimpressive wins, the least impressive ones being over the last month, while OU is within one W of winning 3 straight games vs Top Ten competition. ND can not say that. In fact, even if they beat Stanford, they will have ONE Top Ten W. If you compare wins, which is likely a criterion the committee will use to decide on a 1-loss team, then ND's best wins are just not in the same class as OU, even with the Texas game.

People need to stop overrating the importance of Stanford as a win that will put ND over the top vs the resumes of the other 1-loss teams. Their resume does not stack up, sadly.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Why does there always seem to be a lot of talk about wins against teams who were ranked at the time for SEC schools "Alabama beat then #2 LSU, #5 Georgia," etc. but you never hear stuff like "ND beat then #14 Georgia Tech?"

But I have seen that exact argument used on this board recently for why ND should be where they are as well. A few posters actually stated that you can't have it both ways.

I have also seen several posts out here where this matrix or that matrix says ND is better than so and so. And yet these same matrices was cursed last year and beyond. It's no different than the same committee that was cursed out here last year is "doing a fine job" this year. It's relative to where one is in the current standings.

 

[johnnycando]

Actually, no it is not.

Look at 2012, and the amount of hand-wringing people and CONSTANT discussion people were saying that ND was not worthy, even when they were the only unbeaten in the country.

And honestly, ND has very unimpressive wins, the least impressive ones being over the last month, while OU is within one W of winning 3 straight games vs Top Ten competition. ND can not say that. In fact, even if they beat Stanford, they will have ONE Top Ten W. If you compare wins, which is likely a criterion the committee will use to decide on a 1-loss team, then ND's best wins are just not in the same class as OU, even with the Texas game.

People need to stop overrating the importance of Stanford as a win that will put ND over the top vs the resumes of the other 1-loss teams. Their resume does not stack up, sadly.

Yet you chicken fucking little,

NEGATE THE LOSS OKLAHOMA HAD TO TEXAS, WHOM WE PRISON RAPED INTO OBLIVION 38-3!!!

LMAO.

Okay I'm done.

 

[Booslum31]

Yet you chicken fucking little,

NEGATE THE LOSS OKLAHOMA HAD TO TEXAS, WHOM WE PRISON RAPED INTO OBLIVION 38-3!!!

LMAO.

Okay I'm done.

Atta boy Johnny!

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Yet you chicken fucking little,



NEGATE THE LOSS OKLAHOMA HAD TO TEXAS, WHOM WE PRISON RAPED INTO OBLIVION 38-3!!!



LMAO.



Okay I'm done.

"That was a different Texas team OU played though."

Yes it was. They scored 3 against us, and ZERO against Iowa State. They were worse!

 

[Legacy]

ND vs Big 10 teams

ND vs Big 10 teams

IMO Michigan State had better teams the last two years -a possible commentary on Ohio State. Iowa has to be acknowledged for being unbeaten, but may well lose to Nebraska. A three point win over Pittsburgh at home in the last seconds.