Post Game Observations (BC '15)...

[vuirish]

Apologies if this was discussed already, but what was the incident between teams that Kelly was talking about at halftime? Something between the GA's?

 

[Opus]

Take away the Redzone turnovers and replace them with at least FGs and add the missed XP.... 30-16 is what I might have expected.

Okay the redzone turnovers have been replaced by FG's and we've added the missed XP. ND is up 30-16. But wait there's more, if the BC receiver catches the pass when he's 2-3 yards behind Luke it's 30-23. If the field is about a yard, yard and a half wider on the second half kick off it's 30-30. And if the BC player doesn't rough the kicker on the missed FG attempt, ND loses.

It's great to say "Well if ND didn't do this or did that they would have won by more" but the same goes for BC.

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

Negatives - everything about this game!

Positives - we get one more chance to show we belong, bring on Stamford!

 

[kmoose]

Apologies if this was discussed already, but what was the incident between teams that Kelly was talking about at halftime? Something between the GA's?

I think it was just a lot of trash talking between sidelines, since they were both on the same side of the field with only about 10 yards separating them.

 

[gkIrish]

Who did I bet all my Vbucks that we would win out?

I purged my PM's and lost it. It was someone with a lot more
cash than me!.. so it must be a vet.

Grahambo? TKO? BGIF?

It may have been me. Sounds like a bet I would take. But there's nothing in my inbox so probably not.

 

[NDdomer2]

I literally don't even know what we're talking about at this point, so I'm just gonna leave this thread and get on with my Sunday.

Yeah there's some arguments going on that I'm not sure why.

If at minimum we turn our 4 rz to's into fgs we have put up 31 and our starters still aren't in at the end.

 

[NDdomer2]

Okay the redzone turnovers have been replaced by FG's and we've added the missed XP. ND is up 30-16. But wait there's more, if the BC receiver catches the pass when he's 2-3 yards behind Luke it's 30-23. If the field is about a yard, yard and a half wider on the second half kick off it's 30-30. And if the BC player doesn't rough the kicker on the missed FG attempt, ND loses.

It's great to say "Well if ND didn't do this or did that they would have won by more" but the same goes for BC.

Except all their what ifs are BIG and ours are very plausible since we we inside the 10.

 

[Opus]

Except all their what ifs are BIG and ours are very plausible since we we inside the 10.

I'm not sure I really understand what you mean by saying that BC's what ifs are BIG.

A BC received dropped a sure TD pass when he was at the ND 20-25 yard line and the closet ND player was 2-3 yards behind him. It wasn't like he had to get past anyone if he catches the pass. Ill give you the second half kick off, more than likely he wouldn't have scored. But the roughing the kicker penalty allowed ND to keep possession and ultimately score a TD after missing a FG because of a penalty that is very preventable.

The original poster wants to take ND negatives and turn them in to a positives to make it look better for ND without doing the same for BC. I'm only pointing out that if 2 or 3 plays were different for BC then ND could have easily lost the game.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'm not sure I really understand what you mean by saying that BC's what ifs are BIG.

A BC received dropped a sure TD pass when he was at the ND 20-25 yard line and the closet ND player was 2-3 yards behind him. It wasn't like he had to get past anyone if he catches the pass. Ill give you the second half kick off, more than likely he wouldn't have scored. But the roughing the kicker penalty allowed ND to keep possession and ultimately score a TD after missing a FG because of a penalty that is very preventable.

The original poster wants to take ND negatives and turn them in to a positives to make it look better for ND without doing the same for BC. I'm only pointing out that if 2 or 3 plays were different for BC then ND could have easily lost the game.

You could go through hundreds of close games and do the same.

I just think the what ifs for ND (4 fgs) are more probable than the what ifs for BC. Statistical averages say the same.

 

[Opus]

You could go through hundreds of close games and do the same.

I just think the what ifs for ND (4 fgs) are more probable than the what ifs for BC. Statistical averages say the same.

You're right, I could go through hundreds of close games and do the same but I don't need to. Since the original poster wanted to play the what if game I was merely pointing out the what ifs for BC.

By the way I would bet lots of money that statistical averages say that ND doesn't turn the ball over 5 times in a game, but they did last night.

ND won I guess that's all that matters.

 

[koonja]

I think a byproduct of having a shitty defensive system like BVG has where everyone is thinking rather than playing fast and making hits, is offensive fumbles. In practice everyone is so worried about lining up right, being in the right spot and understanding overly complicated play calling, there's no emphasis in stripping the ball. Sure Im sure he says to strip it, but is time actually spent on it? Not enough and you see that in the lack of turnovers thisdefense causes. Since the defense is never stripping in practice/summer, offense cab em get away with being careless and they don't learn the habits of protecting the ball.

 

[IrishLax]

I think a byproduct of having a shitty defensive system like BVG has where everyone is thinking rather than playing fast and making hits, is offensive fumbles. In practice everyone is so worried about lining up right, being in the right spot and understanding overly complicated play calling, there's no emphasis in stripping the ball. Sure Im sure he says to strip it, but is time actually spent on it? Not enough and you see that in the lack of turnovers thisdefense causes. Since the defense is never stripping in practice/summer, offense cab em get away with being careless and they don't learn the habits of protecting the ball.

LOL this isn't true at all. First of all, we've had very fumbles this year. Second of all, the offense plays against scout team defense which doesn't run BVG's schemes but rather tries to mirror what the opponent does.

 

[NDdomer2]

You're right, I could go through hundreds of close games and do the same but I don't need to. Since the original poster wanted to play the what if game I was merely pointing out the what ifs for BC.

By the way I would bet lots of money that statistical averages say that ND doesn't turn the ball over 5 times in a game, but they did last night.

ND won I guess that's all that matters.

But isn't that why the ND what ifs are more probable? Whcih, is where the OP is coming from, I believe.

I agree it can be silly points to make, but I guarantee you when the guys watch film today BK and Co are going to highlight those what ifs to show how they actually played very well against a very good D and how to eliminate those items vs Stanford.

 

[NDdomer2]

LOL this isn't true at all. First of all, we've had very fumbles this year. Second of all, the offense plays against scout team defense which doesn't run BVG's schemes but rather tries to mirror what the opponent does.

I actually always felt that D players learned skills like stripping on scout D.

Often scout D wasn't full tackle vs us during week but they were encouraged to still create turnovers. How do u create a turnover sans int if you can't full ta kle, u strip like hell.

It forced the skill guys to concentrate on ball security every down and D guys learned how to get after the ball.

 

[kmoose]

ND only had one more fumble than BC. I don't think the problem was with ND. I think the problem was a cool, moist night causing a slippery ball. Which would explain a number of dropped passes on both sides as well.

 

[eNDzone]

I think a byproduct of having a shitty defensive system like BVG has where everyone is thinking rather than playing fast and making hits, is offensive fumbles. In practice everyone is so worried about lining up right, being in the right spot and understanding overly complicated play calling, there's no emphasis in stripping the ball. Sure Im sure he says to strip it, but is time actually spent on it? Not enough and you see that in the lack of turnovers thisdefense causes. Since the defense is never stripping in practice/summer, offense cab em get away with being careless and they don't learn the habits of protecting the ball.

While I would love to see more turnovers I would much rather see great tackling technique. Such as Jaylon and Shumate.

 

[irishfanjho15]

While I would love to see more turnovers I would much rather see great tackling technique. Such as Jaylon and Shumate.

Shu is the best tackler on the team, IMO. Jaylon a close second.

Despite this, Jaylon's tackling was atrocious last night.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Shu is the best tackler on the team, IMO. Jaylon a close second.

Despite this, Jaylon's tackling was atrocious last night.

Really? I didn't watch all of the game super closely, so I might be wrong on this, but if I remember right BC's offense didn't go anywhere for large chunks of time and this was usually because Jaylon was blowing plays up.

 

[MNIrishman]

Really? I didn't watch all of the game super closely, so I might be wrong on this, but if I remember right BC's offense didn't go anywhere for large chunks of time and this was usually because Sheldon Day was blowing plays up.

FIFY

 

[NDinBoston]

Looked ugly but:
- BC has #1 Overall D (255 ypg / 4.1 ypp) - ND got 447 yds / 6.2 ypp
- BC #1 in Rushing D (77 ypg / 2.1 ypp) - ND got 127 yds / 3.7 ypp
- BC #13 Passing D (179 ypg / 6.4 ypp) - ND got 320 yds / 8.4 ypp
- BC #5 Scoring D (14.8 ppg) - ND scored 19
- Against BC, CLEM got 532 yds / 6.8 ypp with 2 INTs albeit 34 points

ND has lost their starting QB, RB, TE, #6 OL, NG, Nickel, Dime, SAM...and is a 2-pt conversion dropped pass from 11-0. TCU and UCLA have had injuries and are losing.

No one looks good every week and the past two weeks have been a concern but they are 10-1 with a legitimate shot at the CFP.

Their Top 4 wins (Navy, Temple, Pitt, USC) are 34-6 against other opponents (.850). They beat Stanford next week and that looks even better.

I think most would have taken 10-1 with a shot at CFP despite the schedule and that list of injuries. I know TCU and UCLA fans would.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Really? I didn't watch all of the game super closely, so I might be wrong on this, but if I remember right BC's offense didn't go anywhere for large chunks of time and this was usually because Jaylon was blowing plays up.

I distinctly remember Jaylon missing more tackles last night than any other game this year.

 

[irishfanjho15]

FIFY

As I mentioned in the BC thread last night after the game, Sheldon, like always, had an amazing game last night. He is as dominate of a defender as this team has. Jaylon is a NFL prototype prospect, but Sheldon is the heart and soul of this defense, and more generally, the greater team. I just wish Jarron was healthy. Those two. Good God.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I distinctly remember Jaylon missing more tackles last night than any other game this year.

He has done a ton of good this year and a ton of bad.



As for the game....10-1. No team outside of maybe Alabama is above the crowd this year. Every team is very even in the top 10 in my opinion. Just win and get to the next week.

 

[Cogs]

Looked ugly but:
- BC has #1 Overall D (255 ypg / 4.1 ypp) - ND got 447 yds / 6.2 ypp
- BC #1 in Rushing D (77 ypg / 2.1 ypp) - ND got 127 yds / 3.7 ypp
- BC #13 Passing D (179 ypg / 6.4 ypp) - ND got 320 yds / 8.4 ypp
- BC #5 Scoring D (14.8 ppg) - ND scored 19
- Against BC, CLEM got 532 yds / 6.8 ypp with 2 INTs albeit 34 points

ND has lost their starting QB, RB, TE, #6 OL, NG, Nickel, Dime, SAM...and is a 2-pt conversion dropped pass from 11-0. TCU and UCLA have had injuries and are losing.

No one looks good every week and the past two weeks have been a concern but they are 10-1 with a legitimate shot at the CFP.

Their Top 4 wins (Navy, Temple, Pitt, USC) are 34-6 against other opponents (.850). They beat Stanford next week and that looks even better.

I think most would have taken 10-1 with a shot at CFP despite the schedule and that list of injuries. I know TCU and UCLA fans would.

Stats don't lie. BC played nearly everyone close this year. Also, Pitt and Temple could sneak back into rankings leaving ND with 4 potential ranked wins. Absolutely no way OU or MSU can jump if ND wins next week.

 

[irishfanjho15]

He has done a ton of good this year and a ton of bad.



As for the game....10-1. No team outside of maybe Alabama is above the crowd this year. Every team is very even in the top 10 in my opinion. Just win and get to the next week.

Completely agree. I think Jaylon is the second best player on the whole team, behind Sheldon. I just think he missed more tackles than normal last night.

 

[gkIrish]

Does anyone else think BC should have kicked a FG as soon as they were in range at the end of the game yesterday? I think teams that are down 9-11 with under 3 minutes left should almost always do this as I think timeouts are better used on defense.

In other words, even if BC did not recover the onside kick they would have been able to use their timeouts to get the ball back (assuming they could force a 3 and out).

 

[NDdomer2]

Does anyone else think BC should have kicked a FG as soon as they were in range at the end of the game yesterday? I think teams that are down 9-11 with under 3 minutes left should almost always do this as I think timeouts are better used on defense.

In other words, even if BC did not recover the onside kick they would have been able to use their timeouts to get the ball back (assuming they could force a 3 and out).

They made it sound like it was a miracle he made their first attempt. Maybe with a solid kicker, but that wasn't their kicking situation.

 

[dmort]

Offensive line play is inconsistent.
Tackling continues to be a problem.Defense though saved the day when the offense was running on 3 cylinders.To beat Stanford they will need to decide how bad they want to play in the BCS.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Offensive line play is inconsistent.
Tackling continues to be a problem.Defense though saved the day when the offense was running on 3 cylinders.To beat Stanford they will need to decide how bad they want to play in the BCS.

Would have to be a miracle to make it into the BCS this year.

 

[MNIrishman]

Offensive line play is inconsistent.
Tackling continues to be a problem.Defense though saved the day when the offense was running on 3 cylinders.To beat Stanford they will need to decide how bad they want to play in the BCS.

Will sheer willpower be enough to invent a time machine?