Missouri Football Players to Strike

[zelezo vlk]

The youth born in the 90's (Self entitlement era)are going to drag this country down.

Eat a bag of dicks, old man!

(Not that I really disagree)

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[RDU Irish]

My family has heard this numerous times... student FA, business loans,... I believe I shared a number of stories over the years on this... jacked up because my family's history has always been poverty level or below laborers.

Seems to me the problem with entitlement is once you give an inch, the entitled demand two more.

The thing that baffles me, how do you prove your ethnicity? If I applied for something as a minority and they challenged it later - couldn't I sue them for giving me a worse deal based on race?

 

[IrishLax]

This is fucking wild. Here's the thing... on the surface, nothing I have read points to Tim Wolfe having done anything wrong. None of the incidents reported really sound that bad either.

With that being said, half my family is from rural Missouri, not too far from Columbia. I've experienced more "I cannot believe that person just did/said that..." moments in my short trips there then probably the rest of my life combined. It doesn't surprise me at all to hear that black people don't feel comfortable in that town given what I've seen in Columbia and surrounding towns.

Last anecdote, my grandma was on some board at MU. Might still be. And my family has been season ticket owners forever. Might actually have to pick up the phone and give them a call because this is a crazy situation.

 

[ACamp1900]

The most racist moment of my life also happened while on vaca to Columbia, though it happened over a weekend trip down to lake of the Ozarks.. Columbia itself was coolio in my experiences, my uncle loves living there...

 

[Rizzophil]

Saw that Missouri would have had to pay BYU $1mil for canceling game. Follow the money.

Cheaper just to pay the president to resign and make it go away. Talk about opening a can of worms though.

 

[bkess8]

Thus is going to start a bad chain of events mark my words!

 

[irishff1014]

Saw that Missouri would have had to pay BYU $1mil for canceling game. Follow the money.

Cheaper just to pay the president to resign and make it go away. Talk about opening a can of worms though.

No it won't when he turns around and sues them for 5 million plus.

 

[irishff1014]

Thus is going to start a bad chain of events mark my words!

You bet your butt off it will.

 

[woolybug25]

No it won't when he turns around and sues them for 5 million plus.

Ha. That isn't going to happen. He resigned under his own recognizance. What would he sue for? Who would he sue?

 

[Rhode Irish]

Maybe we should revisit that title again?





Missouri Tigers player says team not united over practice boycott

What are the chances that any group of 90 randomly assembled kids are going to be fully united over any social issue? As a white dude, if I were on the team I would support my black teammates if I thought they were being genuine about this, regardless of what my personal feelings are about whether a "strike" is warranted. I think the problem at the heart of all this stuff is that the black students feel like outsiders on campus and don't feel like anyone cares about them or has their backs; it's hard for somebody not in their position to look at it and say "you shouldn't feel that way." I'd rather stand with them and show by my actions that some people do care than tell them they are fucking up what's really important (football) over their trivial concerns about their own humanity.

 

[irishff1014]

I was being facetious. What I was referring to is the fact that this is really a manufactured issue brought to us compliments of reverse racism and entitlement. This may come off as insensitive, but I don't care... Let's be real, I highly doubt that there are a bunch of well informed white (see: privileged) dudes on the team that are so upset about racial equality within the university, that they are willing to risk their career over it. It's just not realistic. There are probably some outspoken african-american players on the team that have put everyone in a position where if they oppose the strike, they will be labeled a racist.

Great post

 

[cody1smith]

This is fucking wild. Here's the thing... on the surface, nothing I have read points to Tim Wolfe having done anything wrong. None of the incidents reported really sound that bad either.

With that being said, half my family is from rural Missouri, not too far from Columbia. I've experienced more "I cannot believe that person just did/said that..." moments in my short trips there then probably the rest of my life combined. It doesn't surprise me at all to hear that black people don't feel comfortable in that town given what I've seen in Columbia and surrounding towns.

Last anecdote, my grandma was on some board at MU. Might still be. And my family has been season ticket owners forever. Might actually have to pick up the phone and give them a call because this is a crazy situation.

I live 45 minutes from mizzou. And in no way shape or form is it even as close to as raciest against blacks as 2/3s of north st louis is against whites. There are not a lot of black people in this part of the world...zero in the town i live in. If they did not want to be in rural Missouri surrounded by white farmers then they should have went elsewhere. This whole thing is stupid.

 

[NDgradstudent]

So is the university going to give into the full list of demands, including racial quotas for hiring? Racial quotas in employment (or admission) are unconstitutional at public universities. But I guess the Equal Protection Clause (otherwise beloved by liberals) is not operative here because its authors never apologized for their 'white privilege'?

As for how racist Missouri supposedly is, the whole country is sort of racist. Have you taken a ride on the D.C. Red Line lately, moving from the white to the black section of town? Or the NYC 1/2/3 trains? Urban whites are less crude about it, but no less aggressive when it comes to trying to control who lives in their neighborhoods or where their kids go to school.

In any case, we can't be destroying a person's career because somebody completely unrelated to that person said something racist once. Or made a foul symbol out of feces. (Quite a few of these episodes end up being 'false flag' hoaxes. Don't be surprised if that turns out to be the case here). The bottom line is that a university President cannot (legally, or in fact) control the opinions or speech of students or faculty.

The cry-bullies win again. Higher education in this country is increasingly a joke.

P.S. Although many of us dislike him for his ND bashing, Clay Travis' Twitter commentary on this farce has been excellent.

 

[irishff1014]

Ha. That isn't going to happen. He resigned under his own recognizance. What would he sue for? Who would he sue?

He did? The last article read he hadn't resigned.

 

[Wild Bill]

Now all Wolfe has to do is acknowledge his white male privilege.

 

[Ndaccountant]

No word yet that similar actions by Wolfe when reading the demands was the tipping point

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[Legacy]

The Missouri football strike was about a lot of things, but mostly about respect - SBNation.com

An excellent writer who attended MU shares his thoughts, reviews the incidents, offers his insights and focuses the issues as he perceives them. I offer this to further discussion.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Honest question for you all......when will another team threaten to not play to get something?

The one certainty in all of this is that the players realized and capitalized on their value to the University. By uniting, they had the school by the balls. There are many other opportunities to use this new found power.......1) Don't like the new HC that the school hired.....strike 2) Feel like you should get paid.....strike 3) Don't have athletic facilities like Bama or Oregon....strike.

I think players for sticking up for what they believe is honorable and I am not questioning that (But as others have portrayed, nobody was going to stand in front of this freight train and risk being branded a racist). What I am questioning is how long before this carried to a level that isn't rational?

 

[pumpdog20]

Does anyone else see similarities between this and the Donald Sterling situation? Group of people are offended by something, they make it a public cause, and an individual is forced out of his role due to public opinion without due process? That's sort of how I see this. I was against the removal of Donald Sterling because of the precedent it would set and I have the same concerns here.

I am not commenting on whether or not he (or Sterling) deserves to be ousted, but rather the manner in which they were ousted.

No matter what side of the fence you're on, this is pure democracy and free markets at it's finest. I don't think that's a bad thing. It has a way of working itself out in the end IMO.

 

[gkIrish]

Honest question for you all......when will another team threaten to not play to get something?

The one certainty in all of this is that the players realized and capitalized on their value to the University. By uniting, they had the school by the balls. There are many other opportunities to use this new found power.......1) Don't like the new HC that the school hired.....strike 2) Feel like you should get paid.....strike 3) Don't have athletic facilities like Bama or Oregon....strike.

I think players for sticking up for what they believe is honorable and I am not questioning that (But as others have portrayed, nobody was going to stand in front of this freight train and risk being branded a racist). What I am questioning is how long before this carried to a level that isn't rational?

Not long. Soon there will be a good player who is suspended for smoking weed or something. The rest of the team will go on strike until the University decides to amend their drug policies. It's a matter of time.

 

[pumpdog20]

Let's face it. There is a big competition out there for qualified black students. ND "recruits" minorities big time and have to compete with everyone else for their attendance. Anyone ND is trying to get has a full ride lined up to just about anywhere, regardless of economic status.

End of the day, I added a lot more diversity to Notre Dame as a white kid from a poor rural area than the son of a dentist from Naperville or some other affluent large city suburb who happened to be black.

Notre Dame goes out of its way to be geographically, socioeconomically and ethnically diverse. It is an awesome thing and one of the most unheralded positives of the University. Had I gone to Iowa or Iowa State - much like Mizzou - I would be surrounded by a bunch of people like myself. At ND, I was very out of place.

Midwestern State schools have a tough row to hoe when it comes to diversity. Vast majority of their student body is in-state, pulling kids from out of state is difficult and local demographics are working hard against them.

I didn't know you were Chinese.

 

[phillyirish]

Honest question for you all......when will another team threaten to not play to get something?

The one certainty in all of this is that the players realized and capitalized on their value to the University. By uniting, they had the school by the balls. There are many other opportunities to use this new found power.......1) Don't like the new HC that the school hired.....strike 2) Feel like you should get paid.....strike 3) Don't have athletic facilities like Bama or Oregon....strike.

I think players for sticking up for what they believe is honorable and I am not questioning that (But as others have portrayed, nobody was going to stand in front of this freight train and risk being branded a racist). What I am questioning is how long before this carried to a level that isn't rational?

Not long. Soon there will be a good player who is suspended for smoking weed or something. The rest of the team will go on strike until the University decides to amend their drug policies. It's a matter of time.

As long as they are also 4-5. Can guarantee you an undefeated/one loss team in the playoff hunt wouldn't be pulling this shit.

 

[Legacy]

Honest question for you all......when will another team threaten to not play to get something?

The one certainty in all of this is that the players realized and capitalized on their value to the University. By uniting, they had the school by the balls. There are many other opportunities to use this new found power.......1) Don't like the new HC that the school hired.....strike 2) Feel like you should get paid.....strike 3) Don't have athletic facilities like Bama or Oregon....strike.

I think players for sticking up for what they believe is honorable and I am not questioning that (But as others have portrayed, nobody was going to stand in front of this freight train and risk being branded a racist). What I am questioning is how long before this carried to a level that isn't rational?

You ask two questions that cannot be answered, though I understand your point that the examples you gave are not rational or reasonable reasons for striking with "this new found power."

Reminds me of some incidents involving coaches and players in the early seventies at Oregon State, Wyoming, Iowa and others when coaches were autonomous and AA players were gaining scholarships at an increasing rate but were similarly sensitive to the larger issues surrounding them on and off campus.

We look back and the ripple effects of those encounters did not destroy college football and did result in further discussions and understandings which have made campuses more diverse and tolerant.

 

[Legacy]

As long as they are also 4-5. Can guarantee you an undefeated/one loss team in the playoff hunt wouldn't be pulling this shit.

I would think a 9-0 team in the Playoff hunt who wanted to strike would have more leverage.

 

[Ndaccountant]

You ask two questions that cannot be answered, though I understand your point that the examples you gave are not rational or reasonable reasons for striking with "this new found power."

Reminds me of some incidents involving coaches and players in the early seventies at Oregon State, Wyoming, Iowa and others when coaches were autonomous and AA players were gaining scholarships at an increasing rate but were similarly sensitive to the larger issues surrounding them on and off campus.

We look back and the ripple effects of those encounters did not destroy college football and did result in further discussions and understandings which have made campuses more diverse and tolerant.

But the times have changed dramatically since then, especially when considering how much money the players bring to the universities. While it might be tough to imagine, but what if two teams got together and decided to boycott a New Years six bowl game unless they were paid? That is far different than 40 years ago.

 

[Legacy]

But the times have changed dramatically since then, especially when considering how much money the players bring to the universities. While it might be tough to imagine, but what if two teams got together and decided to boycott a New Years six bowl game unless they were paid? That is far different than 40 years ago.

What seems dissimilar is that a group of black players act on what seems like a small incident(s) (wearing a beard, skipping practice) in a large context to them, that the coach felt like his autonomy was being threatened. What seems similar is that the players felt the small incidents were the tip of an iceberg, that they saw no responses by administration to their concerns, that an uproar was created by those who felt they needed to be guardians at the gate, and that larger groups became involved.

In retrospect, we look on a lot of those as silly which could have easily been resolved with early intervention and a commitment to common sense changes.

You are right. Today, money and communication change the landscape. Players throughout the country can communicate their thoughts. Recruits read blogs. Postings can fan the fires when issues get polarized. Whether two Playoff teams players would strike seems extremely unlikely IMO.

 

[kmoose]

I wonder how many of the young men who sound like they are spitting fire when they say "patriarchal" actually know what patriarchal means?

 

[Irish#1]

What happens when they invite some of the players to be part of the selection committee for the new president and another white guy is selected because he's the most qualified?

 

[kmoose]

What happens when they invite some of the players to be part of the selection committee for the new president and another white guy is selected because he's the most qualified?

The basketball team strikes....

 

[NDgradstudent]

The Missouri football strike was about a lot of things, but mostly about respect - SBNation.com

An excellent writer who attended MU shares his thoughts, reviews the incidents, offers his insights and focuses the issues as he perceives them. I offer this to further discussion.

Clay Travis was right about this-
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The sports media circle jerk praising the players is going to be unlike anything you've ever seen before. Get ready.</p>— Clay Travis (@ClayTravisBGID) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayTravisBGID/status/663754108617146368">November 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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