Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[yankeeND]

Another subject I think is worthy of discussion is Everett Golson. He has no turnovers. How does one explain? You would think if he was as bad at protecting the football as people made him out to be his issues would carry over to a new team.

So is this a coaching thing? Is Jimbo simply coaching him up to protect the football? Does their scheme fit his talents better?

I think this is interesting indeed. I also think that Everett just was no longer happy here. He shut down, walked away from his coach, and didn't stay engaged. We saw this on the sidelines multible times. However, Kelly can be a real bastard towards his QB's too, but it sure looked like he had Everett's back all the way up until the bowl game. I even think in spring it was still EG's job to lose. I am curious to watch Kizer the rest of the way to see how well he protects the ball. I would prefer a 3/1 td to turnover ratio, but in his first year has looked better than I could have expected. I guess in general I think it's a great question, but I think there are a lot of factors at play here.

 

[Buster Bluth]

He was asked to do too much last year. Kelly envisioned him differently than what he was clearly capable of at the time or in those moments. FSU runs the ball well and plays consistent defense. Jimbo isn't asking him to win games for him nor is he asking him to do more than he's comfortable with. BK specifically said last year that there were games where the offense was supposed to win them. Meaning he went into the game with a preconceived notion that we had to score a lot of points to win. That in turn, very easy to see, changed how games were called. It also didn't help that our D really did give up a ton of yards and points.

Additionally, he started the season off well. Very few turnovers through the first part of the season. Then it snowballed on him.

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[kmoose]

He's making up the missed tackles stat to prove his point that there is no such thing as an official missed tackle. It's stupid.

Says the guy who starts a thread saying that the coach should be fired if we lose 4 games this year............ before we have lost even 1.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think one think is certain: Kelly should evaluate his future season game plans and look at why we've been successful this year and in 2012, at least from an offensive standpoint. We've focused on a strong OL with a commitment to run the ball, and we're asking our QB not to do too much. The magic number seems to be somewhere around 25 passing attempts. The higher our attempts go the less likely we're in control of the game. Obviously getting behind a team on the scoreboard will warrant more throws, so there's a relationship there where we'll end up throwing more in those scenarios. Still, it certainly seems to be that if we focus on keeping the OL strong and maintaining an identity of running the ball well it'll pay dividends on the field and in the red zone.

 

[Luckylucci]

He's making up the missed tackles stat to prove his point that there is no such thing as an official missed tackle. It's stupid.

So true. Its kept for a reason but whatever confirms the bias, I guess.

 

[kmoose]

So true. Its kept for a reason but whatever confirms the bias, I guess.

It's not kept, except by one website. So it is up to the whims of one set of guys running a website, what constitutes a missed tackle. But whatever confirms your bias, I guess.

 

[Luckylucci]

It's not kept, except by one website. So it is up to the whims of one set of guys running a website, what constitutes a missed tackle. But whatever confirms your bias, I guess.

So you don't think that the coaches monitor that sort of thing, really? Then tell me why Redfield was benched against Navy? Because he was missing a bunch of tackles.

 

[kmoose]

So you don't think that the coaches monitor that sort of thing, really? Then tell me why Redfield was benched against Navy? Because he was missing a bunch of tackles.

What does the internal statistics that coaches keep have to do with a discussion about the validity of the subjectivity of statistics invented by a website? Or is it your contention that the ND coaches shared their Missed Tackle stats with some random website, but not any other?

 

[Monk]

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result."

This is true for so many people in this thread, including myself for checking it so often. I guess it's like a beautiful train wreck.

 

[koonja]

Another subject I think is worthy of discussion is Everett Golson. He has no turnovers. How does one explain? You would think if he was as bad at protecting the football as people made him out to be his issues would carry over to a new team.

So is this a coaching thing? Is Jimbo simply coaching him up to protect the football? Does their scheme fit his talents better?

Part of it is probably because Jimbo is just a better QB coach than BK and I don't think it's debatable. But also, FSU has better athletes and with the exception of Fuller, we had no one on last year's team who could get separation so EV had to force a lot of passes into small windows.

 

[Luckylucci]

Part of it is probably because Jimbo is just a better QB coach than BK and I don't think it's debatable. But also, FSU has better athletes and with the exception of Fuller, we had no one on last year's team who could get separation so EV had to force a lot of passes into small windows.

I disagree with this specifically being the reason. Last year Crob dominated against those same FSU athletes they have on D. Add in Prosise, Fuller, and Brown those are all very good athletes.

 

[koonja]

I disagree with this specifically being the reason. Last year Crob dominated against those same FSU athletes they have on D. Add in Prosise, Fuller, and Brown those are all very good athletes.

Prosise wasn't really used last year, and Brown and CROB didn't get separation last year. CROB was catching everything though. And FSU's defensive athletes don't have anything to do with their offensive athletes thumiss year. A swing pass to Davin Cook whO takes it 40 yards or Rudolph out running people just creates more space to throw.

 

[ickythump1225]

Another subject I think is worthy of discussion is Everett Golson. He has no turnovers. How does one explain? You would think if he was as bad at protecting the football as people made him out to be his issues would carry over to a new team.

So is this a coaching thing? Is Jimbo simply coaching him up to protect the football? Does their scheme fit his talents better?

Everett is playing the QB role I like to call "the Minnesota Vikings QB." It's simple, you receive the snap and turn around and hand it to your workhorse back. Last year EG was tasked to be the offense essentially. This year at FSU he passing what...20 times a game?

 

[WaveDomer]

I disagree with this specifically being the reason. Last year Crob dominated against those same FSU athletes they have on D. Add in Prosise, Fuller, and Brown those are all very good athletes.

There are a lot of possible factors. He's a year older. Academics are different. Weather is different. And last year he was in the Heisman discussion until something went askew and then it was mental. So let's see how he does when it goes wrong at some point this year. Hopefully he does well.

 

[Luckylucci]

Prosise wasn't really used last year, and Brown and CROB didn't get separation last year. CROB was catching everything though. And FSU's defensive athletes don't have anything to do with their offensive athletes thumiss year. A swing pass to Davin Cook whO takes it 40 yards or Rudolph out running people just creates more space to throw.

caught 29 passes for 516 yards and two TDs ... led all receivers with an average of 17.8 yards per catch ... had three of Notre Dame's five receptions of at least 50 yards ... had four of the Irish 11 receptions of at least 40 yards ... registered 10 receptions of at least 20 yards ... fourth on the team in receiving yards and fifth in receptions ... 17 of his 29 receptions went for a first down or touchdown ..

That is from UND.com. You don't have those type of numbers without being a really good athlete.

On Crob and Brown, we'll just have to disagree then as I have no idea what you're looking for as far as separation goes.

Honestly, this has never even remotely crossed my mind as a reason because of how deep and talented our WR corp has been.

 

[Armyirish47]

Another subject I think is worthy of discussion is Everett Golson. He has no turnovers. How does one explain? You would think if he was as bad at protecting the football as people made him out to be his issues would carry over to a new team.

So is this a coaching thing? Is Jimbo simply coaching him up to protect the football? Does their scheme fit his talents better?

Too bad Jimbo couldn't coach up a former Heisman winning Quarterback to protect the football more (Winston threw 18 picks last year).

 

[yankeeND]

Too bad Jimbo couldn't coach up a former Heisman winning Quarterback to protect the football more (Winston threw 18 picks last year).

That's another valid argument, which correlates some of the things I said earlier in my post about how Golson felt here. It was just no longer a good fit for him. On the flip side, through 5 games and a quarter, Kizer has only thrown 4 picks, no lost fumbles, and one of those int's was on the receiver. It doesn't mean that it was all on Kelly, and really I think he did his best to coach EG much more calmly than he would some other kids. Idk, just some observations from the very limited view I get of the team, but I think you made an excellent observation yourself here.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I don't think Jumbo is a better QB coach, or that Golson has a better surrounding cast down there, I think be wasn't put in the best position to succeed at ND.

 

[ndfi78]

Irish Turning Point - Brian Kelly Magic

Death, taxes, and Notre Dame fans irrationally complaining about coaching. These are the three truisms of the world. Few appreciate the job Brian Kelly is doing, and even fewer realize how much worse this team should be performing given the circumstances. What we’re witnessing is nothing short of a historically great coaching job.

Continued...

I'm just going to drop this here...

 

[RDU Irish]

Your sig pic is absolutely perfect for this post.

 

[wizards8507]

Irish Turning Point - Brian Kelly Magic

I'm just going to drop this here...

That article sets such a low bar for Notre Dame football that any halfway decent coach would be "historically good" by their metrics. They're all jazzed that the team hasn't quit, and that we're 6-1 with wins over bad UMass, bad Georgia Tech, Navy, bad Texas, USC in turmoil, and bad Virginia. If the standard for "historically good" coaching is that your team doesn't quit and you beat garbage opponents, then what's the point?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Irish Turning Point - Brian Kelly Magic

I'm just going to drop this here...

Nicely done, Lax!

 

[kmoose]

That article sets such a low bar for Notre Dame football that any halfway decent coach would be "historically good" by their metrics. They're all jazzed that the team hasn't quit, and that we're 6-1 with wins over bad UMass, bad Georgia Tech, Navy, bad Texas, USC in turmoil, and bad Virginia. If the standard for "historically good" coaching is that your team doesn't quit and you beat garbage opponents, then what's the point?

You are completely mischaracterizing the context. It's not just that the team has not quit. It's also that Kelly has gone 6-1, and kept the team together, despite what should be crushing losses to injury and/or transfer.

 

[IrishLax]

That article sets such a low bar for Notre Dame football that any halfway decent coach would be "historically good" by their metrics. They're all jazzed that the team hasn't quit, and that we're 6-1 with wins over bad UMass, bad Georgia Tech, Navy, bad Texas, USC in turmoil, and bad Virginia. If the standard for "historically good" coaching is that your team doesn't quit and you beat garbage opponents, then what's the point?

I doubt your reading comprehension can possibly be that bad, so more likely than not you just have terrible confirmation bias its clouding your ability to objectively process information.

What is "historically good" is the production of the offense and how ND has over-achieved expected outcomes at a level that trumps every other team in the country.......... lead by a guy with no reps who almost quit the sport, and a safety turned WR they had the foresight to convert to RB.

ND is literally on pace to have CJ Prosise shatter the rushing records, and will approach offensive production records. That's the definition of historic.

If you can't appreciate that, you just proved that article's point about irrational Notre Dame fans.

 

[RDU Irish]

USC didn't play like they were in turmoil, they played as well as they did all season. That garbage Texas team beat #10 Oklahoma. I would give Virginia a fair shot against Ole Miss, that team is overrated hot garbage just like half the SEC.

Let me know how Georgia does without Chubb. Ole Miss sans Ndicheme...... Florida minus Grier.... These are all teams that will heavily lean on ONE player going down as an excuse for the rest of the season.

 

[BeauBenken]

That article sets such a low bar for Notre Dame football that any halfway decent coach would be "historically good" by their metrics. They're all jazzed that the team hasn't quit, and that we're 6-1 with wins over bad UMass, bad Georgia Tech, Navy, bad Texas, USC in turmoil, and bad Virginia. If the standard for "historically good" coaching is that your team doesn't quit and you beat garbage opponents, then what's the point?

What would the team have to do to make you feel good?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Kizer was a decently rated QB coming in. Let's not act like he was a 2 :star: and was CJ converted because the coaches saw the potential, or was that more of a this guy is good find a spot somewhere for him.

See we can all manipulate reality in our own way to fit our narrative

I mean Golson last year under our staff compared to this year under FSU.

 

[gkIrish]

Part of the reason I started this thread was to prevent injuries from being used as a generic excuse if we lost a bunch of games again. I specifically mentioned that in the OP.

Vegas lines are fine and dandy as a general measure of success. But here's the problem...if you compare the healthy players on the team right now to the healthy players on the teams we have played, 6-1 is the absolute worst record we should have at this juncture. Should our current team have beaten UMass, Navy, a terrible Georgia Tech team, and a bad Texas team (which was before our injuries). Hell yes. Clemson and USC are the only two games where you can't say for sure that we should have beat those teams. You would expect to go 1-1 at worst, 2-0 at best. So we went 1-1. Great.

Everyone completely ignores how DECIMATED Clemson was heading into our game with them. The team they put on the field wasn't the team they hoped they would put on the field during spring ball, same as us.

The spectrum of acceptable records for this team, this year, against these opponents is either 6-1 or 7-0. 5-2 would have been embarrassing. So we are within acceptable parameters. We aren't having a "miracle season." That's ridiculous.

Are we really at the point where doing what we are supposed to do is praised as miraculous? That's an embarrassment to the history of this University.

 

[MNIrishman]

"The expectations here at Notre Dame can change a little bit as you go along. When I first started, everybody said they just wanted us to be competitive. That first season in 1986 we went 5-6 and lost five games by a total of 14 points. But people said, 'No, when we said competitive, we meant we want you to win.' So the next year we went 8-4 and played in a New Year's Day bowl. But they said, 'No, when we said we want you to win, we meant win them all.' So the next year we did win them all. We went 12-0 and won the national championship. But they said, 'No, you don't understand, we meant we want you to win big.' That's the way it goes at Notre Dame."---Lou Holtz, underperformer whom we should have gotten rid of and hired Bobby Bowden

 

[NDohio]

Kizer was a decently rated QB coming in. Let's not act like he was a 2 :star: and was CJ converted because the coaches saw the potential, or was that more of a this guy is good find a spot somewhere for him.

See we can all manipulate reality in our own way to fit our narrative

I mean Golson last year under our staff compared to this year under FSU.

Yeah, please quote the stats of EG through seven games last year and this year.