Oct 17 | Southern Cal

[ohara831]

Very sad situation for him personally. But I hope this destroys their upcoming recruiting class.

 

[tussin]

You guys aren't seeing my point. He was on a 'no drink', meaning, if he was caught drinking this year, he KNEW it would cost him his job.

Koon, come on man... surely you understand the concept of addiction.

 

[Classic Irish]

He went to BYU, making the situation even more bizarre.

Despite going to BYU, he's not Mormon. I believe he's Catholic.

 

[NDohio]

You guys aren't seeing my point. He was on a 'no drink', meaning, if he was caught drinking this year, he KNEW it would cost him his job.

You are never warned ahead of time when a terrible accident like drunk driving happens... You aren't told 'this is the one that will do it'. My point is he knew it was his final straw, and still proceeded, which is what I find surprising. Drunk drivers don't know it's their next drive that will cost someone their life.

There's no way I win this so I'm going to leave after this, but I hope you guys understand the difference I'm pointing out.

(SIGH) All alcoholics go through this. It may not be similar to Sark's, but it's family telling them "take one more drink and we're gone", it's friends begging them to stop or they will drag them to rehab, etc. This 'no drink' that he was on is given to every single alcoholic.

 

[koonja]

You clearly have no idea.what you are talking about. It is a very devastating condition that is DEFINED by an inability to stop.....

And you clearly don't see my point. I'm not talking about ability/disability to stop. I'm saying when you know if you do it it's going to cost you (which Sark was told), I imagine the thought process is different than when the person thinks the next time is 'no big deal' because they've done what they're about to do 100s of times. You're not warned when you next get in the vehicle that this will be that time. If people who did drink and drive knew that, they probably wouldn't have drove that night. Sark decided to drive knowing he'd get it this time. And he couldn't stop, which is what's surprising to me. This is all about the difference of knowing your consequence is imminent, and thinking you can get away with it like any other time. I don't know how I can make my distinction more clear.

Obviously this proves how strong alcohol addiction can be. I'm just surprised by it.

 

[ACamp1900]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Some <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a> assistant coaches believed Steve Sarkisian was drunk during the Arizona State game on Sept. 26.</p>— InsideUSC (@InsideUSC) <a href="https://twitter.com/InsideUSC/status/653345782146306048">October 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Dafaq...Wow.

On a sidenote, imagine how common this was during the history of cfb... I'm sure many of history's greatest coaches drank like a fish and at least a good chunk of those had legit problems... This doesn't impact Sarks situation at all, but just a thought on how times may have changed.

 

[NDBoiler]

Koon - you're not seeing the point that several others are making that nullifies your point.

 

[tussin]

And you clearly don't see my point. I'm not talking about ability/disability to stop. I'm saying when you know if you do it it's going to cost you (which Sark was told), I imagine the thought process is different than when the person thinks the next time is 'no big deal' because they've done what they're about to do 100s of times. You're not warned when you next get in the vehicle that this will be that time. If people who did drink and drive knew that, they probably wouldn't have drove that night. Sark decided to drive knowing he'd get it this time. And he couldn't stop, which is what's surprising to me. This is all about the difference of knowing your consequence is imminent, and thinking you can get away with it like any other time. I don't know how I can make my distinction more clear.

This is word vomit. Your point is that you are surprised an alcoholic drank when he was told not to? Seriously?

 

[Calabrese's People]

I'll just leave this here...

USC's Steve Sarkisian: I don't believe I have drinking problem - NFL.com

 

[koonja]

This is word vomit. Your point is that you are surprised an alcoholic drank when he was told not to? Seriously?

It's not that he was told not to. Everyone with a drinkING problem is told not to. My point is that he had the for sight to know that his next time would be his demise, and still chose to. Most alcoholics do not think their next time will be the one that causes disaster. So I assume it's a very different frame of mind when you know you'll get it next time, vs thinking next time will be no big deal. Yes, it surprises me that he couldn't hold off at least until the off season when he knew it'd cost him millions. If people who get in accidents knew that was the night, I very much assume most would have also held off.

 

[FLDomer]

Omg Koon can you not continue to clog threads with your ignorant arguments? I mean just fucking let it be!!!! It's like arguing with my 5 yr old!

 

[IrishSteelhead]

It's not that he was told not to. Everyone with a drinkING problem is told not to. My point is that he had the for sight to know that his next time would be his demise, and still chose to. Most alcoholics do not think their next time will be the one that causes disaster. So I assume it's a very different frame of mind when you know you'll get it next time, vs thinking next time will be no big deal. Yes, it surprises me that he couldn't hold off at least until the off season when he knew it'd cost him millions. If people who get in accidents knew that was the night, I very much assume most would have also held off.

His situation is far less dire than most alcoholics. He isn't losing a family, life, etc. He's losing a job that he already has made enough doing to retire ten times over. I'm sure the "consequences" of having a drinking problem don't apply to him right now like they do the average guy, and that helped him continue to make poor choices.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a> players said Sarkisian drank and passed out on flight back from Washington State game in 2014. Some reportedly took photos</p>— InsideUSC (@InsideUSC) <a href="https://twitter.com/InsideUSC/status/653351987090558977">October 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a> players noted Sarkisian not sober at team meeting, then he went missing, never went to practice field. Talked to Pat Haden on phone</p>— InsideUSC (@InsideUSC) <a href="https://twitter.com/InsideUSC/status/653347880363683841">October 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a> assistants pulled Steve Sarkisian out of player huddle on sideline during Arizona State game. Believed he was not sober</p>— InsideUSC (@InsideUSC) <a href="https://twitter.com/InsideUSC/status/653347087208153088">October 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[GoIrish41]

Koon, I get your point but I believe what everyone is saying that you are making a distinction without distinction. They are saying that this sort of thing is the distinguishing characteristic of addiction and no longer an active choice alcohols make. I am not sure I agree with that, but your argument is nullified by theirs. I personally think that there is more choice involved than most are describing, but do not wish to enter the argument about the alcoholic mind. It does appear that on this issue, you will not change many minds.

 

[yankeehater]

I just saw two lines with ND -4

 

[tussin]

It's not that he was told not to. Everyone with a drinkING problem is told not to. My point is that he had the for sight to know that his next time would be his demise, and still chose to. Most alcoholics do not think their next time will be the one that causes disaster. So I assume it's a very different frame of mind when you know you'll get it next time, vs thinking next time will be no big deal. Yes, it surprises me that he couldn't hold off at least until the off season when he knew it'd cost him millions. If people who get in accidents knew that was the night, I very much assume most would have also held off.

No point in debating this anymore since we clearly don't agree.

I am surprised that you don't get what it means to have an addiction. The point is that he can't simply "hold off" until the offseason... his body likely has a physical dependency on alcohol. Not so fun fact, I believe alcohol is the only substance where addicts physically need the drug to survive. In other words, severe alcoholics will literally die if they don't drink.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Oct 17 | Southern Cal

No point in debating this anymore since we clearly don't agree.



I am surprised that you don't get what it means to have an addiction. The point is that he can't simply "hold off" until the offseason... his body likely has a physical dependency on alcohol. Not so fun fact, I believe alcohol is the only substance where addicts physically need the drug to survive. In other words, severe alcoholics will literally die if they don't drink.

Hospitals literally have beer and booze on hand with their other stocked meds for those people.

 

[koonja]

If it goes this far back, Haden had to know this wasn't just a one time slip up. I always thought of him as a decent person who wanted USC to run cleanly. Any chance he gets bif heat for this? Maybe it'll depend on who he can hire.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

If it goes this far back, Haden had to know this wasn't just a one time slip up. I always thought of him as a decent person who wanted USC to run cleanly. Any chance he gets bif heat for this? Maybe it'll depend on who he can hire.

That's what I'm wondering. Obviously the LA media is ridiculous compared to just about anywhere else, but how did his entire tenure at UW not have any blemishes of this nature?

 

[BobbyMac]

Did Sark go to USC? I vaguely remember his playing days and thought he played elsewhere. I could be wrong.

You're right, BYU. For some reason I thought he was a trojan.

He went to BYU, making the situation even more bizarre.

Sorry if 'i missed this but Sark went to SC as a baseball player originally and left his freshman year for a juco, then went to BYU for football.

 

[FLDomer]

I wonder if he lost his team, cause let's be honest he was a joke, if wasted this often....I am worried the kids rally and come in blazing this weekend!

 

[CincyDamer]

I'd like to point out their is an ignore feature on this site. Great feature.

 

[GoIrish41]

Sorry if 'i missed this but Sark went to SC as a baseball player originally and left his freshman year for a juco, then went to BYU for football.

Did not know that. Thanks.

 

[BGIF]

His situation is far less dire than most alcoholics. He isn't losing a family, life, etc.[/B] He's losing a job that he already has made enough doing to retire ten times over. I'm sure the "consequences" of having a drinking problem don't apply to him right now like they do the average guy, and that helped him continue to make poor choices.

Hello?


USC Trojans&apos; Steve Sarkisian sells Rolling Hills home for $8.55 million - LA Times

Aug 24, 2015


USC Football Head Coach Steve Sarkisian And Wife to Divorce - Conquest Chronicles

Apr 21

His wife will get half, then there's the child support for 3 kids accustomed to living on a PAC 12 head coach salary and perks.

He has/is having a huge life change. And yes, he can afford counseling, rehab, etc that you and I can't. But the fall is still there.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Sorry if 'i missed this but Sark went to SC as a baseball player originally and left his freshman year for a juco, then went to BYU for football.

For every Steve Young and Ty Detmer, there's a Jimmy McMahon and Steve Sarkisian.......

 

[tussin]

If it goes this far back, Haden had to know this wasn't just a one time slip up. I always thought of him as a decent person who wanted USC to run cleanly. Any chance he gets bif heat for this? Maybe it'll depend on who he can hire.

Yeah, I think Haden gets a lot of blame for this. He has royally effed up many of the biggest decisions of his tenure.

 

[koonja]

I wonder if he lost his team, cause let's be honest he was a joke, if wasted this often....I am worried the kids rally and come in blazing this weekend!

To the last part, in regards to the game, this is terrible news IMO. Honestly, of recent memory, what teams haven't played above their pay grade the week after an interim is named coach? The AD's are smart about who they appoint, and it's the coaches that boost morale since when you lose your coach the year is about to go in the dumpster. I expect them to ball out.

 

[BGIF]

I just saw two lines with ND -4

That's where the money's flowing.

Actually if their coaching staff was dysfunctional because of this issue it might now have something positive to focus on.