Dukes of Hazzard pulled from TV Land

[NDgradstudent]

That is a business decision.

Again, we criticize corporations for dumping chemicals into rivers, etc., because although these are "business decisions," they might be wrong.

Also it's Amazons right to sell what they want. They don't need justification nor approval from us. If they can make the mental hurdle work to justify their bottom line that is true capitalism right.

There is certainly an ideological element to many "business decisions." Amazon.com is not going to lose business by keeping the Confederate flag; it is certainly going to lose money by ditching it, but ideology trumps money. It is hard to not wonder why Nazi/Communist items are a-okay while Confederate flag items are wicked, evil, and ghastly.

If you keep giving into this P.C. hysteria, things get absurd. As Gavin McInnes put it:

Did Veruca Salt cheer up when she finally got a ticket to Willy Wonka’s factory tour? No, she kept bitching until she ended up in the garbage. We’re heading to the same place.

 

[connor_in]

Just saw this link at Yahoo...

Bo Duke tweets photo of Dylann Roof in protest after TV Land dumps ‘Dukes of Hazzard’ - The Washington Post

 

[Irish#1]

You're need to help me with MSB. Must be getting old. PM me if it can't be posted lol.


reps



WTF... Uncle Jessie was a very wise man. Also, did you get a look at the IQ on Daisy?



New series. Dicks of Hazard. Libs will be happy with that one.

I never got that far! lol

 

[pkt77242]

There's some truth in what domerfreak wrote, but likely not all of it. I've read that Lincoln's feelings and thoughts on slavery were not always in the best interest of those he later emancipated. I've read that he often batted the idea back and force of abolishing slavery before he finally wrote his famous piece. I've also seen it said that the real reason he drafted the Emancipation Proclamation was to create a rallying cry and to put pressure on the South by trying to cut their labor force and encourage slaves to flee, thereby hurting the South's war effort. Then again, I'm still buzzed and none of this probably makes any sense. Still, there was no need to go after the Dukes of Hazzard, such a joke.

I don't think we are arguing that point. The sticking point is that he is saying that slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War which is a flat out lie.

Here is an interesting article on some Civil War myths and it includes the Lincoln one you discuss.
Five myths about why the South seceded - The Washington Post

 

[Cackalacky]

Again, we criticize corporations for dumping chemicals into rivers, etc., because although these are "business decisions," they might be wrong.



There is certainly an ideological element to many "business decisions." Amazon.com is not going to lose business by keeping the Confederate flag; it is certainly going to lose money by ditching it, but ideology trumps money. It is hard to not wonder why Nazi/Communist items are a-okay while Confederate flag items are wicked, evil, and ghastly.

If you keep giving into this P.C. hysteria, things get absurd. As Gavin McInnes put it:

Environmental pollution is a crime. Willfully polluting is negligent and harms the larger community for decades and costs taxpayers millions of dollars to clean up. Not selling a product in this example an icon is a business decision and does not poison people and the environment. Nuance doesn't seem to be your strongpoint.

Again.... I give zero craps that Amazon decides to sell one thing or another. I literally don't care. They made that decision. Nobody is saying that because Amazon sells the flag that it is anyway tacitly promoting it. Your erroneous pedantry is tiresome.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

These are the actions of a liberal corporation to get in out in front of it's liberal base. Whiskey nailed it. This is liberal doings of a liberal company. Please google Sumner Redstone and get back to me.

This isn't a left/ right thing. When I say "liberalism is a religion", that applies as much to wizards' libertarianism as IrishinSyria's progressivism.

Lots of posters in this thread are approaching this as a First Amendment issue. It makes a lot more sense (at least to me) when you think of it in terms of orthodoxy/ heresy than civil rights. Viacom is simply removing content that might offend the religious sensibilities of its increasingly pious customers.

 

[Cackalacky]

This isn't a left/ right thing. When I say "liberalism is a religion", that applies as much to wizards' libertarianism as IrishinSyria's progressivism.

Lots of posters in this thread are approaching this as a First Amendment issue. It makes a lot more sense (at least to me) when you think of it in terms of orthodoxy/ heresy than civil rights. Viacom is simply removing content that might offend the religious sensibilities of its increasingly pious customers.

If YJ had taken part in the Liberalism/Conservatism thread he would know that. Haha

 

[RDU Irish]

I wonder what the royalty rights to Dukes of Hazzard are going for? Seems like ultimate buy low opportunity.

 

[mgriff]

 

[NDRock]

It's hard for me to agree with the perspective that slavery had nothing to do with the war when you can read the actual secession Declaration by South Carolina (and other states). It deals a great deal with slavery. It seems quite clear that the major reason South Carolina and the other states seceded was the slavey issue. This from their own documents.

 

[GoldenDomer]

This is becoming the same thing as the German's not teaching about WWII in their schools. You cant erase history.

 

[Cackalacky]

Was Enis and Rosco chasing the Duke Boys a lesson in history? I fail to see the outrage here. I mean I am really trying to see why this is such a big deal. I am literally as upset about this as I was when Falcon Crest and Remington Steel faded into obscurity.

I really wonder who is stoking the PC fire here. Political correctness these days goes both ways. Is this a case of Conservative Correctness?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

This is becoming the same thing as the German's not teaching about WWII in their schools. You cant erase history.

Germans do teach about WWII in their schools. Quite a bit, as I can gather. Do a quick google search for that question and you'll find lots of responses.

I was struck by this reply on Reddit:

WWII History took up almost 90 Percent of my History Lessons in School. It is taught in the Gymnasium (High School) Where Pupils are old enough to understand happened.
What you need to understand is that germany is constantly digesting and working up the events, and is bearing such guilt, that the holocaust and other events of the time under Hitler are discussed in newspapers, schools and everywhere all the time.
You could say that germany is a very "self-conscious" country, where patriotism is not socially accepted, because it is very quickly affilliated with the Nazis. Also we're still the "too soon" era, where any joke or humourus statement has to be made with extreme caution, because the whole country is very aware of what happened and is desperate to get closure and rid of the Nazi image.
This, btw, is the reason why the Soccer World Cup is so big in germany, because it is the only time where no one gives you concerned looks when you cheer for your country and wave the german flag.
TL;DR: Germany is still feeling guilty for what happened, and teaches is openly

German Redditors, how is WWII history taught in German schools? : AskReddit

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Was Enis and Rosco chasing the Duke Boys a lesson in history?

Heh. Good point.

 

[NDRock]

This is becoming the same thing as the German's not teaching about WWII in their schools. You cant erase history.

Not true at all. My wife is German and her dad is a German high school (history) teacher. There Germans are very open about their role in WWII, Japan on the other hand seems to be less so.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Not true at all. My wife is German and her dad is a German high school (history) teacher. There Germans are very open about their role in WWII, Japan on the other hand seems to be less so.

Isn't Holocaust denial a felony offense in Germany?

 

[Irish YJ]

Not true at all. My wife is German and her dad is a German high school (history) teacher. There Germans are very open about their role in WWII, Japan on the other hand seems to be less so.

Two Germans for best friends. They are very self aware and open.

 

[Irish YJ]

Was Enis and Rosco chasing the Duke Boys a lesson in history? I fail to see the outrage here. I mean I am really trying to see why this is such a big deal. I am literally as upset about this as I was when Falcon Crest and Remington Steel faded into obscurity.

I really wonder who is stoking the PC fire here. Political correctness these days goes both ways. Is this a case of Conservative Correctness?

Lorenzo got a raw deal. went to hell when Morgan left. 9 years is still a good run. Zymbalist was smoking hot... And Bronson got the last laugh

 

[Irish YJ]

If YJ had taken part in the Liberalism/Conservatism thread he would know that. Haha

 

[connor_in]

Lorenzo got a raw deal. went to hell when Morgan left. 9 years is still a good run. Zymbalist was smoking hot... And Bronson got the last laugh

It's Brosnan......Pierce Brosnan

Yes, Zimbalist was hot and I so wanted his apartment.

 

[phgreek]

I really wasn't into the dukes of hazard when it was on TV. Further, I doubt dukes of hazard will illicit the Duck Dynasty affect wherein the advertising revenue was tied heavily to the actual personalities in the show.

Honestly, it is a bit disingenuous to simply say oh well, market forces. Yea advertisers may balk, but why? It is due to pressure from a small part of the actual marketplace with large access to sympathetic media. And that phenomena of manipulating advertisers this way is pretty well known.

The other issue... it is quite difficult for those who disagree with the TV Land choice to manifest their displeasure in as an immediate act as an advertiser pulling. You can't have TV land removed from your Cable, Dish, or Direct TV package. About the best people can do is block it from use in their home. That takes time to show up in Nielsen analysis, and in turn impact advertising rates.

BTW... if the decision bugs you, take the time to block Tv land so no one in your home can view it....thats what ya got.

So again, I think "market forces" is too simplistic an explanation to how this stuff happens....and yes the element that creates the susceptibility is indeed PC practitioners...

 

[GoldenDomer]

I should have worded it better. I meant "this is the same as...." (as in, if they didnt, and just tried to ignore history.) Trying to make an analogy to a situation where some might want to make a massive black eye disappear.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Dukes of Hazzard pulled from TV Land

This is clearly a $hitty channel nobody watches jumping on the bandwagon to garner some free publicity. There is no "good will" behind this, just a calculated move to boost awareness this channel even exists.

 

[greyhammer90]

This is clearly a $hitty channel nobody watches jumping on the bandwagon to garner some free publicity. There is no "good will" behind this, just a calculated move to boost awareness this channel even exists.

Bingo. If you honestly care about this and you didn't watch the Dukes of Hazard on TV Land religiously before (I doubt it), you're doing exactly what they want you to do.

This has nothing to do with the constitution, revisionist history, or our society (except good old fashioned capitalism). Viacom wants to be in the news, it wants to fan the flames, and it wants the easily-offended to watch Dukes of Hazard in "protest" when it inevitably puts it back on air. They're having their cake and eating it too.

 

[gkIrish]

The saddest part of all this is that absolutely nobody is talking about the Charleston murders anymore. Not sure who is to blame but people exploited the hell out of that tragedy to push forward agendas. Now we're talking about Dukes of Hazzard

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Bingo. If you honestly care about this and you didn't watch the Dukes of Hazard on TV Land religiously before (I doubt it), you're doing exactly what they want you to do.

This has nothing to do with the constitution, revisionist history, or our society (except good old fashioned capitalism). Viacom wants to be in the news, it wants to fan the flames, and it wants the easily-offended to watch Dukes of Hazard in "protest" when it inevitably puts it back on air. They're having their cake and eating it too.

Not sure I follow...

 

[greyhammer90]

Not sure I follow...

There are people out there who, upon the return of the show by TV land, will watch Dukes of Hazard (who didn't watch it before) simply to show support for the show returning or as a way to get back at the "PC crowd".

It's a corporate manipulation of both sides of the spectrum. Viacom gets good press from the larger SJW group, but soon that group shrinks or stops paying attention because it stops being in the news/they run out of outrage/something else "important" comes up. Afterwards, the "this country is going to hell" crowd will show support for the show they didn't care about before by watching the channel owned by Viacom.

It's basically New Coke, but with racial sensitivity.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

There are people out there who, upon the return of the show by TV land, will watch Dukes of Hazard (who didn't watch it before) simply to show support for the show returning or as a way to get back at the "PC crowd".

It's a corporate manipulation of both sides of the spectrum. Viacom gets good press from the larger SJW group, but soon that group shrinks or stops paying attention because it stops being in the news/they run out of outrage/something else "important" comes up. Afterwards, the "this country is going to hell" crowd will show support for the show they didn't care about before by watching the channel owned by Viacom.

It's basically New Coke, but with racial sensitivity.

I see. I thought you meant that the people who wanted it to be off the air would watch it. That didn't make much sense to me.

I didn't watch it before and I won't watch it moving forward. Don't care much.

 

[greyhammer90]

I didn't watch it before and I won't watch it moving forward. Don't care much.

Congratulations on your ability to recognize what is worth caring about and what isn't.

 

[irishff1014]

My question is now that this offensive when does rap songs drop the n-word?