'13 OH QB Malik Zaire (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[IrishLion]

I just want to see Malik pick up some more blocks down field to spring his guys loose. That's desire that is infectious. Let the koolaid flow.

 

[irishandy]

Malik has the potential to make us forget about Golson!!

I am all in on this kool-aid

 

[dshans]

I admit that as a kid I drank Kool-Aid. I even made and served some to my son when he was young. Neither of us liked it.

A good thing.

Now we just drink many beers if we want to get bleary-eyed.

 

[BobbyMac]

I admit that as a kid I drank Kool-Aid. I even made and served some to my son when he was young. Neither of us liked it.

A good thing.

Now we just drink many beers if we want to get zairey-eyed.

There, that's better.

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[Who'saWildManNow]

I think it's refreshing to see that kind of spirit leading our team. It's not like the kid has 0 collegiate snaps and is just spouting off at the mouth. Everything he does and how he has approached this career at ND wreaks of efficacy.

He's always been confident in himself and the team. He went and earned my trust against LSU. I didn't expect that performance.

This kid will hold his teammates accountable and lift them when they need it most.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That's fair and fine. Though anecdotal evidence isn't good proof for much...

Just trying to bring the thread a little down to earth. Would love to see him dominate.

It will be interesting to see how he practices, now that he is the clear number one and has set this lofty goal.

I expect he will expect the best out of everyone around him and be willing to give his own.

Someone watch whether his practice improves, it may be a good barometer as to things to come.

 

[Booslum31]

So what would you call that? He said at the beginning of last season that he thought he should be starting, but BK gave the nod to Golson. He was openly upset and kept at it. When he came in when Golson started shitting the bed, we clearly saw a different spark. BK gives Malik the start in the Bowl Game. Which he wins.

Fast forward to this year. BK opens up the QB battle and it looks as though, at best, Golson would share snaps. Golson transfers.

Golson left because of Malik's ability and how, even if only sharing snaps, it would effect him.

Malik said that he would be the starter. He is now the starter. Call that whatever you want.

I think he left because it was obvious Malik was going to take snaps away from him. I think Golson would have started. Kelly didn't announce Malik as the starter when Spring ball came to an end.

 

[dshans]

There, that's better.

Are you sure?

 

[greyhammer90]

Chris Leak outplayed the hell out of Tebow at Florida during practices. Who ended up being the key player to that Florida era?

The "but...but...but.... Golson practices better" schtick is well past worn. Golson is gone and Ziare is here. I'll tell you what. I'm fine with going all in with a talented kid that told us he would take Golson's job, did it and now has the confidence to tell us that we need to expect the best. Because he won't be happy with any less. The kid is a leader and winner. I'm okay with drinking that flavor of kool-aid.

Terrible example. Chris Leak was the leader and starter that year and Tebow was a true freshman who came in in obvious running situations or as a change of pace. If anything that example should make you sad because that system that won UF a title was exactly the kind of two QB system BK wanted to implement.

 

[woolybug25]

Terrible example. Chris Leak was the leader and starter that year and Tebow was a true freshman who came in in obvious running situations or as a change of pace. If anything that example should make you sad because that system that won UF a title was exactly the kind of two QB system BK wanted to implement.

I should be sad? They were heavy underdogs in the championship they won with the duo. The Tebow led championship was the best of the era. Additionally, Leak wouldn't have won that championship without Tebow. All while being a true freshman, which gave credence to him not taking the reins from a returning starter.

Also, Leak was not a great leader. Best example would be the fact that a true freshman could show enough leadership qualities (while being a terrible passer, mind) to force him into a dual QB role.

 

[greyhammer90]

I should be sad? They were heavy underdogs in the championship they won with the duo. The Tebow led championship was the best of the era. Additionally, Leak wouldn't have won that championship without Tebow. All while being a true freshman, which gave credence to him not taking the reins from a returning starter.

Also, Leak was not a great leader. Best example would be the fact that a true freshman could show enough leadership qualities (while being a terrible passer, mind) to force him into a dual QB role.

Yeah no. The revisionist history you're trying to create to make your point is crazy. Leak started as a true freshman at the height of the SEC East years and went 6-3 in conference play and beat the eventual champions (LSU). He had three offensive coordinators in his first three years, had to adjust to a run spread coach, and still broke Heisman-trophy winning school records his junior year. He was the undisputed starter his senior year, led the Gators against the undeniable number 1 most difficult schedule in the country and was the Offensive MVP in the BCS title game. Tim Tebow got in the game because he was a physical freak that hadn't been seen at quarterback in years and was the ultimate dream QB for the system Meyer wanted to run.

I don't care that you're happy Zaire can give good speeches or that Golson transferred or whatever, but trying to point at UF as a good illustration of our position or how "good in practice =\= good in game" is crazy. UF is a perfect illustration of exactly why we should all respect practice and the potential of a talented two QB system.

 

[woolybug25]

Yeah no. The revisionist history you're trying to create to make your point is crazy. Leak started as a true freshman at the height of the SEC East years and went 6-3 in conference play and beat the eventual champions (LSU). He had three offensive coordinators in his first three years, had to adjust to a run spread coach, and still broke Heisman-trophy winning school records his junior year. He was the undisputed starter his senior year, led the Gators against the undeniable number 1 most difficult schedule in the country and was the Offensive MVP in the BCS title game. Tim Tebow got in the game because he was a physical freak that hadn't been seen at quarterback in years and was the ultimate dream QB for the system Meyer wanted to run.

I don't care that you're happy Zaire can give good speeches or that Golson transferred or whatever, but trying to point at UF as a good illustration of our position or how "good in practice =\= good in game" is crazy. UF is a perfect illustration of exactly why we should all respect practice and the potential of a talented two QB system.

Where did I say that Leak (or Golson, for that matter) was a bad QB? If so, quote it...

I said that Tebow was the cog of the Florida era, not the guy that practiced better than him in Leak. Are you saying that I'm incorrect about that and that Leak was the more important player?

While you accuse me of revisionist history, maybe you should look in the mirror. That same year you outlined as an example of Leak's superiority was the same one where Tebow (a true frost, mind) was second on the team in rushing, single handily beat LSU to get them in the title game and had two TD's in the title game. Urban also said that Leak was a "quite leader" and Tebow gave them that "spark". You honestly don't think that's a similar example of Golson v Malik?

Also, again with the tone? I didn't make a post blasting you or telling others their opinions were terrible. There's no reason to respond to me like that. I don't respond to you in that manner.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Bring back
JoJoBlack

 

[dshans]

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[greyhammer90]

Where did I say that Leak (or Golson, for that matter) was a bad QB? If so, quote it...

I said that Tebow was the cog of the Florida era, not the guy that practiced better than him in Leak. Are you saying that I'm incorrect about that and that Leak was the more important player?

While you accuse me of revisionist history, maybe you should look in the mirror. That same year you outlined as an example of Leak's superiority was the same one where Tebow (a true frost, mind) was second on the team in rushing, single handily beat LSU to get them in the title game and had two TD's in the title game. Urban also said that Leak was a "quite leader" and Tebow gave them that "spark". You honestly don't think that's a similar example of Golson v Malik?

Also, again with the tone? I didn't make a post blasting you or telling others their opinions were terrible. There's no reason to respond to me like that. I don't respond to you in that manner.

You said that "Leak outplayed the hell out of Tebow in practice" presumably as an example of why practice apparently shouldn't matter or that being a "gamer" or "having heart" is more important. I pointed out that the reason Leak outplayed Tebow during practice that year was because he was the senior starter, team captain and eventual BCS bowl Offensive POTG. He was a better QB that year. Tebow was a freshman that year, and would have inevitably looked better than Leak in practice eventually if they had played on the same team longer. Either way the idea that "practices better" isn't a good indication of ability or skill isn't well illustrated by looking at the 2006 Florida Gators. I also notice that you keep pointing out that Tebow was the better player of that era, but that doesn't really matter given the point you're trying to illustrate. Leak graduated and Tebow eventually became a Heisman winner and National Champion in his own right, but that doesn't mean that Tebow was the better player the year that Leak and he were on the same team. Leak was a better player the one year they played together, which was illustrated by the fact that he outplayed Tebow in practice, and the Gators in no way, shape or form, would've won the National Championship without him.

Am I saying Zaire couldn't potentially win the national championship? No. Do I have my doubts about that happening? Yes, but who doesn't? Do I think it's crazy to act like the transfer of Golson (a talented redshirt Senior who plays the most important position on the field and looks much more efficient by all accounts in every practice session than Zaire) is a good thing? Absolutely.

To your last point, please stop acting like a victim every time I disagree with you. You state your opinions strongly, so do I. I said you were unequivocally wrong, but you referred to a commonly-shared concern as a "shtick". I treat you the exact same as Lax, Beau, Lion, Lucci, LA, GB, Whiskey, Nuke, Steelhead, etc. When you say something I agree with, I agree; when you say something I disagree, with I disagree. I don't even know what in my post could've raised so much ire since I responded to you in the same way I would've with any friend at a sports bar who said something I thought was dumb. If I didn't like your posts 90% of the time, you'd be treated like Koon was.

 

[woolybug25]

You said that "Leak outplayed the hell out of Tebow in practice" presumably as an example of why practice apparently shouldn't matter or that being a "gamer" or "having heart" is more important. I pointed out that the reason Leak outplayed Tebow during practice that year was because he was the senior starter, team captain and eventual BCS bowl Offensive POTG. He was a better QB that year. Tebow was a freshman that year, and would have inevitably looked better than Leak in practice eventually if they had played on the same team longer. Either way the idea that "practices better" isn't a good indication of ability or skill isn't well illustrated by looking at the 2006 Florida Gators. I also notice that you keep pointing out that Tebow was the better player of that era, but that doesn't really matter given the point you're trying to illustrate. Leak graduated and Tebow eventually became a Heisman winner and National Champion in his own right, but that doesn't mean that Tebow was the better player the year that Leak and he were on the same team. Leak was a better player the one year they played together, which was illustrated by the fact that he outplayed Tebow in practice, and the Gators in no way, shape or form, would've won the National Championship without him.

Show me where I once said that Malik is a better QB than Golson or that Tebow was better than Leak. Quote it. Because I did no such thing. I simply asked who was more important to Florida's title era. If you think the answer to that is Leak, then you might be the only person on the planet that believes that. I simply said that A) Golson isn't here B) the "Golson practices better" schtick is old and C) Gave the comparison of how Leak practiced better than Tebow, but Tebow became the eventual face of that era. The last point is simply a fact, no way to argue it. They're not putting up a Chris Leak quote on plaque anytime soon.

Am I saying Zaire couldn't potentially win the national championship? No. Do I have my doubts about that happening? Yes, but who doesn't? Do I think it's crazy to act like the transfer of Golson (a talented redshirt Senior who plays the most important position on the field and looks much more efficient by all accounts in every practice session than Zaire) is a good thing? Absolutely.

Show me where I said it was a good thing that he left? Quote that one for me too. I simply never tried to make that argument. Smdh.

To your last point, please stop acting like a victim every time I disagree with you. You state your opinions strongly, so do I. I said you were unequivocally wrong, but you referred to a commonly-shared concern as a "shtick". I treat you the exact same as Lax, Beau, Lion, Lucci, LA, GB, Whiskey, Nuke, Steelhead, etc. When you say something I agree with, I agree; when you say something I disagree, with I disagree. I don't even know what in my post could've raised so much ire since I responded to you in the same way I would've with any friend at a sports bar who said something I thought was dumb. If I didn't like your posts 90% of the time, you'd be treated like Koon was.

Watch out folks... We got ourselves a badass over here...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You said that "Leak outplayed the hell out of Tebow in practice" presumably as an example of why practice apparently shouldn't matter or that being a "gamer" or "having heart" is more important. I pointed out that the reason Leak outplayed Tebow during practice that year was because he was the senior starter, team captain and eventual BCS bowl Offensive POTG. He was a better QB that year. Tebow was a freshman that year, and would have inevitably looked better than Leak in practice eventually if they had played on the same team longer. Either way the idea that "practices better" isn't a good indication of ability or skill isn't well illustrated by looking at the 2006 Florida Gators. I also notice that you keep pointing out that Tebow was the better player of that era, but that doesn't really matter given the point you're trying to illustrate. Leak graduated and Tebow eventually became a Heisman winner and National Champion in his own right, but that doesn't mean that Tebow was the better player the year that Leak and he were on the same team. Leak was a better player the one year they played together, which was illustrated by the fact that he outplayed Tebow in practice, and the Gators in no way, shape or form, would've won the National Championship without him.

Am I saying Zaire couldn't potentially win the national championship? No. Do I have my doubts about that happening? Yes, but who doesn't? Do I think it's crazy to act like the transfer of Golson (a talented redshirt Senior who plays the most important position on the field and looks much more efficient by all accounts in every practice session than Zaire) is a good thing? Absolutely.

To your last point, please stop acting like a victim every time I disagree with you. You state your opinions strongly, so do I. I said you were unequivocally wrong, but you referred to a commonly-shared concern as a "shtick". I treat you the exact same as Lax, Beau, Lion, Lucci, LA, GB, Whiskey, Nuke, Steelhead, etc. When you say something I agree with, I agree; when you say something I disagree, with I disagree. I don't even know what in my post could've raised so much ire since I responded to you in the same way I would've with any friend at a sports bar who said something I thought was dumb. If I didn't like your posts 90% of the time, you'd be treated like Koon was.

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[GoldenDome]

I am a results oriented person. I want to see it to believe it. I agree with JimmyMac, way too much optimism and expectations for a guy with such little experience. Experience is invaluable at the QB position. My expectations of Zaire will remain low considering his lack of experience.

 

[greyhammer90]

Show me where I once said that Malik is a better QB than Golson or that Tebow was better than Leak. Quote it. Because I did no such thing. I simply asked who was more important to Florida's title era. If you think the answer to that is Leak, then you might be the only person on the planet that believes that. I simply said that A) Golson isn't here B) the "Golson practices better" schtick is old and C) Gave the comparison of how Leak practiced better than Tebow, but Tebow became the eventual face of that era. The last point is simply a fact, no way to argue it. They're not putting up a Chris Leak quote on plaque anytime soon.



Show me where I said it was a good thing that he left? Quote that one for me too. I simply never tried to make that argument. Smdh.



Watch out folks... We got ourselves a badass over here...

If your point wasn't what I thought it was, sorry. I try to give things multiple readings to make sure the point I'm about to argue against is what the person meant. Your continued incredulity at my responses can only mean that your point wasn't what I thought it was. I can't figure out what else you could've possibly meant to convey in your OP, but obviously it wasn't what I was picking up.

I didn't read anything "badass" into what I wrote either. But as this entire conversation shows we're dealing with a much more limited method of communication than face-to-face speaking. I'll try to keep your feelings about my attitude in mind and avoid talking to you like a drinking buddy from now on. Obviously it's not something you want or appreciate.

 

[BobbyMac]

I am a results oriented person. I want to see it to believe it. I agree with JimmyMac, way too much optimism and expectations for a guy with such little experience. Experience is invaluable at the QB position. My expectations of Zaire will remain low considering his lack of experience.

Last years spring game, SC, LSU, this year's spring game, how he handles himself in the locker room, on the field and in the press. I've seen enough to be overly optimistic. I've also seen his offensive line, his RB's and WR corp. Now I'm ridonkulously optimistic.

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[Old Man Mike]

My optimism for the coming year does have a lot to do with Zaire. In this I am [somewhat unusually for me] depending upon the aura of being a gamer that I get from him that I did not get from Golson.

I'm somewhat optimistic EVERY year, but in no season yet since Coach took over have I felt that we had an athletic quarterback who also had the aura of the gunslinger about him. This, I realize, is not data. But it is where my years of watching gamers have left me with Zaire. I've patiently waited for Coach to get a quarterback, and I now, finally, think that he has. With a quarterback, his offense cannot be stopped.

Pass the Koolaid.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Plenty to go around!

 

[Crazy Balki]

I am a results oriented person. I want to see it to believe it. I agree with JimmyMac, way too much optimism and expectations for a guy with such little experience. Experience is invaluable at the QB position. My expectations of Zaire will remain low considering his lack of experience.

Normally I'd agree, but then I look back at all the NC winning QBs:

2014 Cardale Jones started 3 games.
2013 Jameis Winston 1st year starter
2011 AJ McCarron 1st year starter
2010 Cam Newton 1st year starter
2009 Greg McElroy 1st year starter
2007 Matt Flynn 1st year starter

6 out of the last eight starting NC QBs had pretty much no prior experience. Only exception was Tebow in 07 and McCarron in 12 (he won the year prior).

 

[Irish Insanity]

Plenty to go around!

You calling me fat?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

You calling me fat?

Yessir.

 

[irishfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was never about Everett Golson. For our EXCLUSIVE Malik Zaire story + more, ORDER HERE: <a href="https://t.co/00K895370O">https://t.co/00K895370O</a> <a href="http://t.co/Xz9561smlb">pic.twitter.com/Xz9561smlb</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/615573148050665472">June 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[PANDFAN]

24. Malik Zaire, Notre Dame. We have not seen much of Zaire, and even when he started the Music City Bowl and earned game MVP honors, he threw for only 96 yards and ran for 96. But he is poised to thrive in Brian Kelly's offense. Zaire is a more willing runner than Golson, and in the very limited action we've seen from him, he has completed 21 of 35 passes for 266 yards and a touchdown and rushed 33 times for 187 yards and two touchdowns. That's it. But he was a four-star recruit. He has a great arm combined with explosive speed. And he has a deep receiving corps and one of the nations' best offensive lines. There's a reason Golson left.

Ranking the top 25 quarterbacks in college football.

1 spot ahead of golson

 

[greyhammer90]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was never about Everett Golson. For our EXCLUSIVE Malik Zaire story + more, ORDER HERE: <a href="https://t.co/00K895370O">https://t.co/00K895370O</a> <a href="http://t.co/Xz9561smlb">pic.twitter.com/Xz9561smlb</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/615573148050665472">June 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Really hope his play can keep up with his mouth. If it can he's going to be a hero. If it can't this is going to be some cringe-worthy stuff.

 

[nlroma1o]

24. Malik Zaire, Notre Dame. We have not seen much of Zaire, and even when he started the Music City Bowl and earned game MVP honors, he threw for only 96 yards and ran for 96. But he is poised to thrive in Brian Kelly's offense. Zaire is a more willing runner than Golson, and in the very limited action we've seen from him, he has completed 21 of 35 passes for 266 yards and a touchdown and rushed 33 times for 187 yards and two touchdowns. That's it. But he was a four-star recruit. He has a great arm combined with explosive speed. And he has a deep receiving corps and one of the nations' best offensive lines. There's a reason Golson left.

Ranking the top 25 quarterbacks in college football.

1 spot ahead of golson

This list is totally bogus... Connor Cook is at #6.... give me a break.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

So we get to face the top two quarterbacks. Awesome. Plus, wasn't Reynolds the starting quarterback when Navy beat us in 07?