'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

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G Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Int Rate

13 305 467 65.3 3907 25 18 145.5

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13 256 427 60.0 3445 29 14 143.6


One set of stats is for the #1 pick in the 2015 draft and the other set is for EG.

I am not using this as a guide on whether EG will be successful at the next level, but to show that all this blame for the season going down the drain being EG's fault is crazy talk.

I hope we have a fantastic season and we don't miss EG one bit. I also hope he has a tremendous season - I think he could have had one at ND, but both parties move on to the next phase.
 

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I agree with Bogtrotter. EG will have to learn to be a consistently good college quarterback before he can even think about playing the position professionally. With interceptions and fumbles, EG averaged about two turnovers per game last season. That is not good by any measure. He showed flashes of brilliance, but his inconsistency must cease before he will be considered a quarterback prospect at the next level.
 

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G Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Int Rate

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13 256 427 60.0 3445 29 14 143.6


One set of stats is for the #1 pick in the 2015 draft and the other set is for EG.

I am not using this as a guide on whether EG will be successful at the next level, but to show that all this blame for the season going down the drain being EG's fault is crazy talk.

I hope we have a fantastic season and we don't miss EG one bit. I also hope he has a tremendous season - I think he could have had one at ND, but both parties move on to the next phase.

Winston was drafted more on his size and strength and his won-loss record than anything else. He has the size and arm strength that NFL scouts drool over. Golson has a very strong arm, but he lacks the height and weight of Winston. He also had a second half of the season that saw his stock drop dramatically. His academic problems and his inability to grasp the mental part of the game are red flags regarding his ability to succeed in the NFL as a quarterback.

I, personally, think that Winston was drafted way to high for someone with 14 interceptions and a history of off-field problems. Golson will need to cut down on his turnovers dramatically to hold onto a starting position. No other coach will have the patience shown by Kelly. With Richt or Spurrier as his coach does anyone really believe Golson will remain the starting quarterback if he has back-to-back-to-back 3-4 turnover games?
 

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Sorry IAP.....Feldman says ND will not grant release to any team on the schedule in 2015. Also says reports to visiting South Carolina today are false and EG will need ND to help him for any SEC landing spot.
 

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I am not using this as a guide on whether EG will be successful at the next level, but to show that all this blame for the season going down the drain being EG's fault is crazy talk.
Those QB stats tables never include fumbles lost.
 

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Those QB stats tables never include fumbles lost.

Correct. EG ended the season with 22 turnovers and Winston had 20 when including fumbles.

Again, EG caused some frustration last year, but to pin the collapse of the second half of the season entirely on him doesn't make sense. And a few in this thread have done that.
 

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Sorry IAP.....Feldman says ND will not grant release to any team on the schedule in 2015. Also says reports to visiting South Carolina today are false and EG will need ND to help him for any SEC landing spot.

The classy thing to do would be allowing Golson attend SC or any other program that isn't on the schedule. I really wish Golson the best, I just don't want him to lead a different team to the playoffs. That may be the incorrect sentiment but it'll sting knowing we weren't able to get his best and will ultimately cause many to turn the eye to Kelly & Co.

My confidence level in the staff would be shaken should Golson have an amazing year somewhere else. There are no excuses that could make that go away.
 

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Sorry IAP.....Feldman says ND will not grant release to any team on the schedule in 2015. Also says reports to visiting South Carolina today are false and EG will need ND to help him for any SEC landing spot.

How's all that work. Can they block you if you've graduated and go somewhere else?
 

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Golson didnt want to compete at ND for QB time so it stands to reason that he wont go to a school unless they guarantee him a starting spot.It is also reasonable to not give him a release for any schools on the current schedule.Golson should have put his name in the supplemental draft although this isnt a good year for QB's..
 

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How's all that work. Can they block you if you've graduated and go somewhere else?

^This

My impression is that he can go anywhere because he's graduated. Same reason he doesn't have to sit out a year. There isn't a "release" needed.

But, of course, I may be wrong...
 
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^This

My impression is that he can go anywhere because he's graduated. Same reason he doesn't have to sit out a year. There isn't a "release" needed.

But, of course, I may be wrong...

Because Golson is a graduate he can go and be immediately elgible.

Don't confuse not giving him a release to blocking him from competition. No team has to allow a player to transfer to a team they are playing in the upcoming season. So Navy is out!
 

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Because Golson is a graduate he can go and be immediately elgible.

Don't confuse not giving him a release to blocking him from competition. No team has to allow a player to transfer to a team they are playing in the upcoming season. So Navy is out!

But he's not transferring. He graduated from Notre Dame. He's essentially completed his time at Notre Dame and is now enrolling at another school. That means (in my head) that they don't have control over him anymore. What am I missing?
 

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the school EG transfers to must have a masters degree that ND does not offer right
 

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^This

My impression is that he can go anywhere because he's graduated. Same reason he doesn't have to sit out a year. There isn't a "release" needed.

But, of course, I may be wrong...

That's not how the NCAA rules work. The link was posted earlier, but we have the right to block his transfer (which I don't like, but hey... thems the brakes). Apparently we have also made sources aware that we will be doing just that for any requests for Texas and/or a handful of BIG schools. There is some uncertainty around whether the school would offer him a waiver of the SEC two-year eligibility rule.

Former Notre Dame QB Everett Golson can't just transfer anywhere | FOX Sports
 

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^This

My impression is that he can go anywhere because he's graduated. Same reason he doesn't have to sit out a year. There isn't a "release" needed.

But, of course, I may be wrong...

It's being reported that we are blocking him from transferring to the schools on our schedule, maybe some others. For example:

Everett Golson transfer: Notre Dame blocking schools - College Football - SI.com

I was a little surprised by that too, but I guess it makes sense. Regardless of whether he has graduated or not, he has eligibility remaining with us and he signed a NLI to play for us, so he should need permission to contact other schools, just like an underclassman would. That the NCAA will waive his year-in-residence requirement at the new school is really neither here nor there.
 

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I'm clearly wrong. I just don't understand why. He's not transferring. He's graduated and now is going to a different school. Why does Notre Dame have any say in where that is? Strange.
 

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does he need some sort of academic reference from ND because of his past issues?
 

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It's being reported that we are blocking him from transferring to the schools on our schedule, maybe some others. For example:

Everett Golson transfer: Notre Dame blocking schools - College Football - SI.com

I was a little surprised by that too, but I guess it makes sense. Regardless of whether he has graduated or not, he has eligibility remaining with us and he signed a NLI to play for us, so he should need permission to contact other schools, just like an underclassman would. That the NCAA will waive his year-in-residence requirement at the new school is really neither here nor there.

But, as a 5th year guy, we could jettison him without his permission. Why should he be beholden to us if we aren't beholden to him?
 

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Dane Crist graduated,sought his release and played for Charlie.Is he playing in the NFL now ?
 

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anyone else think we need a 5th year qb to transfer to us?

not comfortable with any of the backups in 2015....later years yes but next year would be a disaster if malik goes down IMO.
 
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The bottom line is the NCAA considers all athletes the school they sign with's to lose. Here is the overview of transferring :

One-Time Transfer Exception

The one-time transfer exception is the most commonly used exception for transfers from one four-year college to another, especially if the transfer involves two colleges in NCAA Division I or II.
•If transferring to a Division I school, the athlete must play a sport other than football, men’s or women’s basketball, or baseball. The exception is that an athlete can transfers to a Football Championship Subdivision (FCS or I-AA) school and use this exception provided he or she has at least two seasons of competition remaining. In Division II, any sport may use the one-time transfer exception.
•The athlete must not have previously transferred from another four-year school.
•At the time of the transfer, the athlete would have been academically eligible at the previous school; and
•If transferring from an NCAA or NAIA school, the athlete’s previous school states in writing that they have no objection to the athlete using the one-time transfer exception.

While the one-time transfer exception is the most commonly used, it is technically the last resort. If a student-athlete can find another transfer exception to use, it is generally better since they have fewer requirements and sometime make the transfer not count if the student-athlete needs to transfer again.

Graduate Exception

The graduate exception is a version of the one-time transfer exception. It is for student-athletes who cannot use the normal one-time transfer exception because they play one of the sports that are not permitted to use the exception.
•The student-athlete must have graduated with at least a bachelor’s degree;
•The student-athlete meets the other requirements of the one-time transfer exception;
•The student-athlete must have at least one season of competition left
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•The student-athlete’s previous school did not renew his or her athletic scholarship or offer an athletic scholarship for the following academic year.

The requirement that the scholarship be cancelled or not renewed is generally not an issue. The scholarship does not need to be cancelled before the transfer or be the reason for the transfer. Because the one-time transfer exception requires you to get a release, what will happen with your scholarship is generally just an administrative detail.

Graduate Transfer Waiver

The graduate transfer waiver is now typically used by athletes who have previous transferred once before and so cannot use the one-time transfer exception (even as a graduate student).

A letter from the previous school saying it does not object to the student-athlete being eligible;

Documentation that the student-athlete has been accepted into a specific graduate degree program;

Documentation about whether that degree program is offered by the previous school;
A student-athlete statement including the reasons for the transfer; and

A statement from the previous institution about the student-athlete’s status on the team.

Generally the heart of the waiver is the three middle bullets. The NCAA wants to see that the student-athlete transferred in order to continue his or her academic career by pursuing a graduate degree not offered at the previous school.
 
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I'm clearly wrong. I just don't understand why. He's not transferring. He's graduated and now is going to a different school. Why does Notre Dame have any say in where that is? Strange.

Well, whether you've graduated really has nothing to do with NCAA eligibility. He is transferring, as far as the NCAA is concerned.

But, as a 5th year guy, we could jettison him without his permission. Why should he be beholden to us if we aren't beholden to him?

I never thought of it that way. That's a fair point.

Another way of looking at it might be that he got to play football for us, and we gave him a degree, so: transaction concluded. That he can play a 5th year anywhere at all is just a bonus.

But again, I see your point. It does seem a little unfair.
 

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Another way of looking at it might be that he got to play football for us, and we gave him a degree, so: transaction concluded. That he can play a 5th year anywhere at all is just a bonus.

^This

That said, I think Notre Dame is doing exactly what they should do. I just think the rule is screwy.
 
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Well, whether you've graduated really has nothing to do with NCAA eligibility. He is transferring, as far as the NCAA is concerned.



I never thought of it that way. That's a fair point.

Another way of looking at it might be that he got to play football for us, and we gave him a degree, so: transaction concluded. That he can play a 5th year anywhere at all is just a bonus.

But again, I see your point. It does seem a little unfair.

If we gave a player his four years what is unfair? ND always gives four years.

With a fifth year, ND has the first right of refusal.

If you think that there is unfairness in the process, you are not alone. But is a EVD-UCLA scenario fair? Or is losing your starter, year three to a poacher fair?

The rule clearly allows the school to have first dibs on their graduate players, and allows them to block the player from immediate competition. (Russel Wilson is a perfect example.)
 

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Well, whether you've graduated really has nothing to do with NCAA eligibility. He is transferring, as far as the NCAA is concerned.



I never thought of it that way. That's a fair point.

Another way of looking at it might be that he got to play football for us, and we gave him a degree, so: transaction concluded. That he can play a 5th year anywhere at all is just a bonus.

But again, I see your point. It does seem a little unfair.

Maybe a little, but we did offer him the ability to play out his 4th year of eligibility. Per above, if we did not renew, he can go. I didn't see were he was interested in any schools on our schedule, so assuming this is all hypothetical unfairness? I don't know why he'd want to go any other place than the SEC at this point IMO.
 

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^This

That said, I think Notre Dame is doing exactly what they should do. I just think the rule is screwy.

Yeah but keep in mind that until recently, scholarships were always good for one year and subject to renewal by the school. So it's not like the graduate transfers are categorically different with respect to the school's lack of obligation toward the student athlete.

And yes, it definitely strikes me as unfair with the caveat that it does make sense to prevent a player from transferring to a direct opponent (because of their knowledge of playbook, sideline signals and general strategy).
 

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If we gave a player his four years what is unfair? ND always gives four years.

With a fifth year, ND has the first right of refusal.

If you think that there is unfairness in the process, you are not alone. But is a EVD-UCLA scenario fair? Or is losing your starter, year three to a poacher fair?

The rule clearly allows the school to have first dibs on their graduate players, and allows them to block the player from immediate competition. (Russel Wilson is a perfect example.)

You're right. No one is saying that ND is doing anything wrong. I just think a graduated player should be able to leave.
 

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You're right. No one is saying that ND is doing anything wrong. I just think a graduated player should be able to leave.


Not sure if it's been mentioned before but he signed scholarship paperwork for the upcoming year. When he did that, he gave up his right to go wherever he wanted.

He could have not signed that paperwork before spring ball but he was not sure if he was going to graduate. Of course this would have thrown up red flags and CBK would have run a different spring. Even worse, if he did not graduate he could have been up the river without a paddle.

EG played the best hand for him...which was showing signs like you're coming back but leaving when it was possible.

It's now CBK responsibility to play the best hand for the team...which is to not let EG go to a school that plays ND.
 
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