'12 NV OT Ronnie Stanley (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[irishff1014]

One of the mock drafts had Stanley going #5 to my redskins if they pick him that high everyone should be fired.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

One of the mock drafts had Stanley going #5 to my redskins if they pick him that high everyone should be fired.

Kid could a be great left tackle, has all the tools. The draft is all about projecting how a kid will do in the NFL.


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[irishff1014]

I am not saying he isn't good but he isnt top ten talent.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I am not saying he isn't good but he isnt top ten talent.

It's all about how a scout projects him.

Saying that I want him to stay one more year to work on his craft.


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[RDU Irish]

Remind me not to let RDU manage MY mutual fund investing. 4%?

Read a little closer, I said INCOME from the portfolio, not total return. Income can be projected with infinitely more certainty than capital gains. It is the difference between hoping for success and planning for it. A growing income stream that you can live off of is what I call a retirement plan. Over time you will get the growth, you just have no idea how much or how long you will have to wait for it.

The industry now thinks 4% is the withdrawal rate at which you can keep pace with inflation and insure you do not run out of money for a 60 year old retiree versus previous consensus of 5%. I think 5% is still safe if you structure it correctly. Add 3% for inflation and you are talking 7% to 8% gross returns.

You cavalierly claim 8-12% long term averages and are comfortable using nothing but capital gains to fund your income. Well if you plan for the worst, your 8% low end less 3% inflation brings you down to a 5% withdrawal rate. Or you can plan for the absolute best case scenario which almost guarantees you will be disappointed.

 

[Guest]

Read a little closer, I said INCOME from the portfolio, not total return. Income can be projected with infinitely more certainty than capital gains. It is the difference between hoping for success and planning for it. A growing income stream that you can live off of is what I call a retirement plan. Over time you will get the growth, you just have no idea how much or how long you will have to wait for it.

The industry now thinks 4% is the withdrawal rate at which you can keep pace with inflation and insure you do not run out of money for a 60 year old retiree versus previous consensus of 5%. I think 5% is still safe if you structure it correctly. Add 3% for inflation and you are talking 7% to 8% gross returns.

You cavalierly claim 8-12% long term averages and are comfortable using nothing but capital gains to fund your income. Well if you plan for the worst, your 8% low end less 3% inflation brings you down to a 5% withdrawal rate. Or you can plan for the absolute best case scenario which almost guarantees you will be disappointed.

So stock market bubbles and crashes don't bother anyone on this long term investment plan? Or do investors suppose they can time the market to avoid that kind of stuff?

 

[GoldenDome]

It's all about how a scout projects him.

Saying that I want him to stay one more year to work on his craft.


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What Is the difference between working on his craft in college than in the pros? I say strike while the iron is hot and with this draft having a weak OT class, seems like a no brainier to me unless he wants his degree.

I don't buy this work on your craft, he needs to get stronger argument. He can do that full time in the pros.

 

[ResLife Hero]

What Is the difference between working on his craft in college than in the pros? I say strike while the iron is hot and with this draft having a weak OT class, seems like a no brainier to me unless he wants his degree.

I don't buy this work on your craft, he needs to get stronger argument. He can do that full time in the pros.

I mentioned this in the draft thread, but my only concern with doing the development in the pros is that there's a better chance of getting seriously injured while climbing the learning curve. Stanley takes plays off and needs more strength to be a really effective LT in the pros, and those 2 factors could lead to him getting beat up.

 

[RDU Irish]

So stock market bubbles and crashes don't bother anyone on this long term investment plan? Or do investors suppose they can time the market to avoid that kind of stuff?

You quoted the wrong poster. Wizard's plan is the one at risk in a crash. Sell more shares to make the same paycheck. If you live off of dividends and interest, you do not need to sell anything and ride our the crash.

In 2005, 100 shares of CAT paid $82 of dividends and was worth around $4500. Today those shares pay $280 per year, never decreasing over that time, and are worth $9000. In the mean time the value has ranged from the $4500 in 2005, up to $8500 in 2008, down to $2300 in 2009 and over $10,000 recently. Even during 2009, the dividend was $168 , more than double the 2005 value. Stock is worth double but the dividend is worth 3.5 times what is was in 2005.

 

[PANDFAN]

NFP Prospect Focus: Ron Stanley | National Football Post
Should the Notre Dame tackle stay in school? Greg Gabriel
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A couple of weeks ago I got a call from a well-known draft analyst. He asked me if I thought Ronnie Stanley, a redshirt sophomore left tackle at Notre Dame, was going to enter the draft. To be totally honest, I was taken totally off guard that he would even ask. Ronnie Stanley was the last guy I would think should enter the NFL Draft.

Why? He’s just not ready! I follow the Notre Dame program very closely and there are people around the program I know very well. Because of that I feel I know the Notre Dame players as well if not better than any scout. That includes Ron Stanley.

Stanley is a third-year sophomore and a two-year starter for Notre Dame. He was a highly recruited four-star prospect coming out of high school and received offers from many of the top programs in the country.
As a freshman at Notre Dame, he red-shirted, as the Irish had a veteran offensive line. In 2013, he started at right tackle, and this past season, he was moved to left tackle after Zack Martin was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys.

When you look at Stanley on “the hoof”, he looks like a prototypical NFL left tackle. He is tall, with very long arms and a good natural frame. He is listed as being 6060 – 315, and in person, he looks all of that. While he has an excellent natural frame, he is very raw when it comes to physical development. Because of some injuries, he hasn’t yet had a complete off-season weight lifting program. He lacks NFL-quality upper and lower body strength. He is at least a year away from being physically ready to play in the NFL.

Athletically, Stanley can compare to anyone in the NFL. He has very good movement skills, is light on his feet, plays with bend, has quick feet and can change direction. He comes off the ball quickly and, usually, is able to keep good positioning on opponents, but there are times in space where he will take bad angles to a block. While Stanley has good natural snap on contact, he lacks the power to consistently get movement and finish blocks. Because of his lack of top strength and power, he is more of a finesse player than a power player. That should change as he gets stronger.

In pass protection, he can set quickly and has the lateral agility to stop wide speed. He is a natural knee bender who generally stays in a good football position. While he has the athleticism to slide and recover very well, he lacks top anticipation and can struggle at times versus counter moves.

Stanley’s hand use is adequate, but like the rest of his game, it needs improvement. He has quick hands and a fairly good punch, but he doesn’t consistently keep his hands inside.

I’ve been told that there are some teams that like Stanley because of what he CAN be not what he is now. My experience tells me that is a poor way to draft. Stanley still has two years of eligibility left and is not physically or emotionally ready to make the jump to the NFL. While naturally talented, he hasn’t yet developed the work habits needed to sustain a career in the NFL.

Last year, Auburn’s Greg Robinson was a third-year sophomore who entered the draft. He was drafted second overall but the Rams, but if they had to do it over I’m not so sure they would make the same decision. Robinson was way more physically mature than Stanley. He has more size strength and athleticism. As a rookie, Robinson has struggled. The Auburn offense is not very sophisticated when compared to an NFL offense. Robinson has had trouble with the mental part of the game. Early in the season, Robinson wasn’t even dressing for games and it wasn’t until injuries decimated the Rams line that Robinson was put in the lineup. He is also playing guard, not the tackle position he was drafted to play.

If Stanley were to enter the draft, his struggles would be far greater than Robinson’s. While yes, there could be some teams that would take the chance of drafting Stanley in the first round, that doesn’t mean he will be successful. He will struggle, and because of those struggles, he may not make it to a second contract. To play in the NFL, you have to be both physically and emotionally prepared. Stanley isn’t. If he wants a successful NFL career, he needs to stay in school at least another year.

 

[BobbyMac]

Reports are, Andrus Peat says he's staying. There are a lot of services that have Stanley as the #1 LT. I don't know if he will leave or not, but if he's Top 10 overall, he should.

You rarely if ever get to say this but losing a Top 10, (Top 5 by some respected mocks) overall draft pick who's a LT might be this teams easiest position to replace.

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[Irish Insanity]

If you're a 1st round OT. Go. It's not even debatable.

 

[Grahambo]

If you're a 1st round OT. Go. It's not even debatable.

If you're family needs the immediate financial relief then I can understand but if they don't, it would be stupid to go when you're not ready.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I've now seen multiple people in the draft community publicly advise Stanley to strongly consider returning for another year. I've seen projections from top 10 to mid round draft slots. That's a pretty huge difference. If Stanley really needs the money, I wish him well, but if not, I hope he returns. Not only does it help ND, but it will give him more time to develop as a prospect and lessen the chance that he'll fall through the draft (barring injury). Everything I've seen indicates that he would leave without his degree right now, which is the main reason why I wouldn't suggest leaving.

 

[wizards8507]

Notre Dame Offensive Tackle Ronnie Stanley and His 2015 NFL Draft Future - One Foot Down

Nothing new really, but a good "where we stand" summary.

 

[ThePiombino]

Notre Dame Offensive Tackle Ronnie Stanley and His 2015 NFL Draft Future - One Foot Down

Nothing new really, but a good "where we stand" summary.

Some highlights:

Some evaluators have not scouted Stanley simply because he has not formally announced his intentions. In answering a question of his most recent mock draft, SB Nation's Dan Kadar said he has not included Stanley yet, but if he does declare he will begin "working him in." CBS Sports' Rob Rang has Stanley being selected by the Minnesota Vikings with the eleventh pick. Both of the latest mock drafts on the highly trafficked Walter Football site have Stanley as a top ten selection.

Not all evaluators are singing Stanley's praises, however. Before the Music City Bowl, multiple sources confirmed to Keith Arnold that Stanley didn't receive a first-round grade.An unnamed scout told Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller that he graded Stanley as a second-round prospect. Scout Greg Gabriel believes in Stanley’s potential and size, but as he writes for the National Football Post, he does not think Stanley is ready for the NFL, predicting a jump this year for Stanley would look something like Rams’ offensive lineman Greg Robinson’s disappointing rookie year.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I really hope we can keep Stanley for another year. I think another year would be good for him and for us.

 

[Irishman77]

I would speculate he stays

Stanley. Martin Hegarty. Nelson. McGlinchey

 

[ThePiombino]

I would speculate he stays

Stanley. Martin Hegarty. Nelson. McGlinchey

Do you really see Elmer getting jumped?

 

[arrowryan]

Do you really see Elmer getting jumped?

Hegarty will get jumped.

Stanley-Nelson-Martin-Elmer-McGlinchey

 

[arrowryan]

Stanley has the chance to be the first o-lineman taken in next years draft and probably be a top 5 pick

 

[IrishLax]

Stanley has the chance to be the first o-lineman taken in next years draft and probably be a top 5 pick

This is true.

However, it's also very true that he'd be absurdly over-drafted at that point and he has potential to fall all the way out of the second round.

His film is flat out not that good. It just isn't. Got beat a lot this year for someone projected to be a top pick. He's more likely to do a Nix/Tuitt and free fall than he is to have the Redskins over-draft him.

 

[arrowryan]

This is true.

However, it's also very true that he'd be absurdly over-drafted at that point and he has potential to fall all the way out of the second round.

His film is flat out not that good. It just isn't. Got beat a lot this year for someone projected to be a top pick. He's more likely to do a Nix/Tuitt and free fall than he is to have the Redskins over-draft him.

You talking about the 2015 draft or 2016 draft?

I paid close attention to him against LSU, thinking this would be a good test for him, and I thought he did a great job. I also remember reading that his performance against USC was one of his best this year

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Top 15 for him would be perfect. Although, I won't bet that happens until the 2016 draft. Just my opinion.

 

[IrishLax]

You talking about the 2015 draft or 2016 draft?

I paid close attention to him against LSU, thinking this would be a good test for him, and I thought he did a great job. I also remember reading that his performance against USC was one of his best this year

If he puts out more consistent film next year I'm sure he'll be a top 2016 pick and have earned it.

This year, the Northwestern and Arizona State film is beyond painful. Gets absolutely abused all game in the Northwestern film particularly. Top 10 picks don't get abused by Northwestern, and any team thinking of investing a top pick in him is going to sit down and watch all of his film. There were plays this year where he played with bad technique, bad effort, or both. And they will stand out on closer review by the true professionals.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

If he puts out more consistent film next year I'm sure he'll be a top 2016 pick and have earned it.

This year, the Northwestern and Arizona State film is beyond painful. Gets absolutely abused all game in the Northwestern film particularly. Top 10 picks don't get abused by Northwestern, and any team thinking of investing a top pick in him is going to sit down and watch all of his film. There were plays this year where he played with bad technique, bad effort, or both. And they will stand out on closer review by the true professionals.

I don't remember this. Wish I could watch the tape again.

I know against ASU he was the only olinemen who had a positive grade.

I think you are being harsh on him.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't remember this. Wish I could watch the tape again.

I know against ASU who was the only olinemen who had a positive grade.

I think you are being harsh on him.

I'm really not. And if you're referring to grades from the PFF site, it's my understanding that those guys suck. Some guys more knowledgeable than I have explained why their grading isn't in line with how most people grade players... whereas MGOBLOG does a fantastic job of grading each of their games for contrast... but I can't remember the specifics, just that they suck and it's rarely in line with how scouts grade the games. Go look at their laughably high grades for Stanford's line, etc. in their game against ND for a good illustration of them being off.

FWIW, Coach D, Mike Frank, and others I've read who truly cover Notre Dame and watch every snap multiple times have similar opinions to mine on Stanley. And after they hit the nail on the head with Zack Martin saying he was undervalued and then explaining exactly why he'd kick ass in the NFL I tend to listen to them.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'm not.

You are trying to convince yourself that he should stay

 

[IrishLax]

You are trying to convince yourself that he should stay

Hehe... I elaborated on my post a bit. There's a big chunk of my opinion that isn't my own (because I'm far from an expert on scouting or line play) and based on breakdowns/evaluations I've seen from guys who cover ND and do "chalk talks" and stuff. They could be wrong, but I tend to think they've got a better understanding than someone from WalterFootball who can't possibly have time to watch film like that.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'm really not. And if you're referring to grades from the PFF site, it's my understanding that those guys suck. Some guys more knowledgeable than I have explained why their grading isn't in line with how most people grade players... whereas MGOBLOG does a fantastic job of grading each of their games for contrast... but I can't remember the specifics, just that they suck and it's rarely in line with how scouts grade the games. Go look at their laughably high grades for Stanford's line, etc. in their game against ND for a good illustration of them being off.

FWIW, Coach D, Mike Frank, and others I've read who truly cover Notre Dame and watch every snap multiple times have similar opinions to mine on Stanley. And after they hit the nail on the head with Zack Martin saying he was undervalued and then explaining exactly why he'd kick ass in the NFL I tend to listen to them.

Fair points