Teen Killed Reportedly Aiming Gun At Cop, Berkeley MO

[kmoose]

Good post, but the Garner situation aside, I'm not going to gladly go in handcuffs to the police station just to chit chat if I haven't done anything.

No one said go gladly; but GO! You are NOT going to talk your way out of an arrest; you are NOT going to change a cop's mind by trying to turn your body in such a manner as to deny him the ability to place handcuffs on you. You know this, without needing to be told. So if you do these things, then you willingly accept the consequences of your actions.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

No one said go gladly; but GO! You are NOT going to talk your way out of an arrest; you are NOT going to change a cop's mind by trying to turn your body in such a manner as to deny him the ability to place handcuffs on you. You know this, without needing to be told. So if you do these things, then you willingly accept the consequences of your actions.

Exactly.

 

[Irish#1]

Wow, it's okay for someone to pull a gun and point it at a policeman!?

I know it doesn't, but even if the video showed the teen pulling a gun and firing it 5 or 6 times before the policeman returned fire these idiots posting this stuff would still blame the cop.

I bet NJNP is dyeing to get on this board and tell us how wrong the policeman was.

 

[dylan020]

I'd love to meet the guy who named it the "Crimes Against Persons" unit.

This is generally what it's called most places because of the victim/crime (Homicide,Robbery,Assaults, etc.). There are persons, property, financial, etc. Maybe I'm missing what's wrong with it?

 

[Grahambo]

Good post, but the Garner situation aside, I'm not going to gladly go in handcuffs to the police station just to chit chat if I haven't done anything.

As someone who has arrested people before, that's a dumb statement. As a cop, I'm not debating law with you. That's what the courts are for. Most crimes get you out of jail within 24 hours, depends on if you make the cutoff to see a judge. A lot of cases get tossed immediately. Resisting is only going to get you in more trouble and lawyers don't appreciate it and will make sure that charge sticks.

On top of someone, most likely you, possibly going to the hospital for injuries. That's not tough guy talk either. You'll get overpowered quickly by sheer numbers. Just not smart.

 

[bkess8]

If the reports are true of the teen pointing a gun at the officer, then this shouldn't even be an issue.

But of course it somehow will be.

Seems like everyone needs something to bitch about. This story shouldn't be getting any attention but...

 

[bkess8]

Good post, but the Garner situation aside, I'm not going to gladly go in handcuffs to the police station just to chit chat if I haven't done anything.

With this statement you sir are part of the problem!

 

[pumpdog20]

With this statement you sir are part of the problem!

No, I'm not part of the problem at all.

 

[pumpdog20]

As someone who has arrested people before, that's a dumb statement. As a cop, I'm not debating law with you. That's what the courts are for. Most crimes get you out of jail within 24 hours, depends on if you make the cutoff to see a judge. A lot of cases get tossed immediately. Resisting is only going to get you in more trouble and lawyers don't appreciate it and will make sure that charge sticks.

On top of someone, most likely you, possibly going to the hospital for injuries. That's not tough guy talk either. You'll get overpowered quickly by sheer numbers. Just not smart.

You and you're compadres need to slow down and read what I wrote. I never said anything about resisting arrest, but sure I get your "debating law" comment.

But what the hell does the bolded mean? Just because you're a cop, you get to arrest for the hell of it, and a person has to sit in jail for a little less than 24 hours. You're confusing my comment on someone who hasn't done anything compared to someone who has.

 

[goldandblue]

Can't wait to see the 6th grade graduation picture of this kid.....

 

[dylan020]

None of us "arrest for the hell of it", if they do they won't be officers for very long. People get out surprisingly quickly with bail for things you would probably disagree with them getting out so fast for.

 

[Booslum31]

That's my question here. Obviously we're dealing with a big issue here, and never before have incidents like this received such national attention on a weekly basis from the media. While many of these stories would often be localized in their respective regions, we're now seeing these blow up on a national level.

The officers haven't been flawless in their work in each circumstance, but in a majority of these cases I'm not seeing police brutality being the problem. I'm seeing officers following through with their training and acting mostly appropriately given a lack of common sense by a number of these individuals that lose their lives and an overwhelming disrespect for law enforcement.

If the reports are true that this teen brandished a gun on cops and fired it, I have no sympathy. Loss of life is a horrible thing, but shooting at law enforcement is absolutely asking for suicide by cop. A story like this shouldn't be receiving national attention under normal situations, but given the powder keg we're now faced with, and the proximity to Ferguson, I can see why the media is jumping on it.

I'm looking at my Facebook feed right now, looking at a live feed of comments on this situation with #AntonioMartin. A majority of the posts are siding with the teen.

Daniel Worth: Looks like they are at it again on Xmas. Trigger happy cops make me sick!
Eric Jackson: #‎AntonioMartin‬ another young black male MURDERED by police on Christmas eve smh
Bonnie Elizabeth Sims: and the violence continues.
#‎every28hours‬ ‪#‎blacklivesmatter‬ ‪#‎AntonioMartin‬
Kuntakinte Bigred Fairley: What is it going to take For this shit to stop ‪#‎ineedanswers‬!!!
Nelson Rodriguez: Wow, Iam sorry to say i know cops and honestly the cops are all outta control, and the only reason there giving toys out is to take attention off the bad things they've done last few months
Chelly Chellz: Police just walking round killing black teens , basically because " they fit the profile " SMFH Sleep In Peace ‪#‎AntonioMartin‬
RaiYana Howard: ‪#‎AntonioMartin‬ gunned down last night while you were sleeping. .. And rather than calling the police, they called crowd control while his 18 years young lifeless body laid on the ground for hours. I don't know the details, but what I do know is Dead males don't tell tales OR their Truths.
Alexandria Entertainer Chick: Once again..this shit is sickening ...these cops ain't shit
‪#‎Berkeley‬
‪#‎CountyFucksUpAgain‬
‪#‎FaultyAssVideo‬
Abu Shaahid: Another ‪#‎injustice‬ ‪#‎furguson‬ ‪#‎Antoniomartin‬
Tony Bradley II: Who do you call when the police murders? ‪#‎AntonioMartin‬
Eric Bates:This need be repost .evertime someone see this .because this bullshit is get out hand .an they trying blame us for bullshit .but it really them ..
Eric Ford: The Police State will fall hard my friends...better choose the right side of the law..are you a Corporate dog? or a free citizen?
Tulsa Own Reno: And it shouldn't stop why should it stop because they died. Did the cops stop killing black men after Mike Brown no. So why stop protesting!!!
Shernise DA Kidd Jones: BLACK LIVES MATTER R.I.P. ‪#‎MIKEBROWN‬ ‪#‎TRAYVONMARTIN‬ ‪#‎ERICGARNER‬ ‪#‎ANTONIOMARTIN‬ AND EVERYBODY WHO LOST THEIR LIVE TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND WRONGFUL POLICE BEHAVIOR.
Shawna Bell: un fucking believeable this is crazy im tired really tired this is too much nd too far get the fuck up out of her fuck the police and everything they stand for.........
Denny Pettway Jean Pettway: Twitter...a place for stupid people to show just how stupid they are. - "@grlforce: if police officers fear for their life every time a teenager points a gun at them, maybe they shouldn't be cops ‪#‎antoniomartin‬"
Karl Moore: No time out for Christmas for these hardworking pigs -

They go on, and on...

I've often thought that some of these protestors were connected to the Occupy Wall Street gang. There are those that want chaos to ensue. I believe it's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I've often thought that some of these protestors were connected to the Occupy Wall Street gang. There are those that want chaos to ensue. I believe it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Occupy Wall Street repressed nationally by police as well as the media. I was at a march in NYC which had hundreds of thousands of protesters, including most of the major unions in the city, yet the only mention of it I could find of it the next day was buried deep in the NY Daily News. None of the national papers covered it. Meanwhile a half dozen Tea Party people protest against healthcare at a town hall meeting and it was national news.

Not usually a conspiracy theorist but god damn.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Agreed.

If they're protesting it's not like they have jobs to go to.

I mean if they're missing work to protest they could just as easy miss work behind bars.

People have a right to demonstrate and have an opinion. But then there's this.

"What did he do to be killed?" He pointed a gun at a cop!!!

End of story.

People could be protesting the most ridiculous cause in the world, still should not be jailed if protesting peacefully. Not sure what employment status has to do with anything, but many people would be off for holidays even if they had jobs. Nazis have a right to march through Skokie, IL and Westboro Baptist has a right to picket funerals meaning any group should be able to protest any cause.

 

[BGIF]

It's a bit far back, but check the end of the video. It stops before the officer fires shots:

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There are a number of people in the video. Two by store entrance. Two come from the right pushing what looks like a baby stoller. Two or three more in the center of the video. And two in the dark car entering near the end. Nearly all converge to the cruiser entering at the top.

The cop exits is flashlight is visible. The two with the stroller walk around the back of the car and exit right. The two that were nearest the store, walk to the end of the store than over to the cruiser. Presumably called by the cop but there is no audio.

Focus on the upper left where the "CAMERA2" is visible. Look in the area by the "RA2" An individual drifts back from the cruiser then turns back, raises him arm and points at the cop. Then the video released stops. On the full video, not released by St Louis Co Chief Jon Belmar out of courtesy to the deceased family, the deceased is hit and falls to the ground. Belmar said in a presser that NO muzzle flashes are visible from either the deceased 9 mm High Point nor the officer's. Both guns were recovered for ballistics. Deceased was hit once (in the chest I believe) Cop got off 3 rounds, 1 hit deceased, 1 in car tire as cop was falling down, one unrecovered. Chief thinks deceased did not get a shot off but that will be confirmed by ballistics.

 

[rikkitikki08]

When does Al Sharpton arrive holding a 5th grade picture of the victim? OVER/UNDER 10 HOURS?

 

[Booslum31]

I just thought that I heard that the gas station had been robbed...anyone hear the same thing?

 

[BGIF]

St Louis Co Presser on Berkeley Shooting

St Louis Co Presser on Berkeley Shooting

Surveillance video released of fatal officer involved shooting in Berkeley | FOX2now.com

This is about a 32 minute presser. I thought well done. Calm, cool, expressed condolences to family. "This is a tragedy. No winner. Lose, Lose. The deceased and the officer who carries this the rest of his life. The deceased could have walked away, not drawn a gun and pointed it. There were options not taken."

Chief Jon Belmar St Louis Co PD speaking. Chief McCall, Berkeley PD to his right. The Berkeley officials asked St Louis Co to take charge shortly after the shooting.

Officer responded at 11:15 to report of Larceny at Mobil To Go. He encountered two individuals, one who pulled a gun and pointed at officer. Officer had flashlight in one hand pulled gun with the other.

2 witnesses were talked to at the scene. Other person of interest being sought.

State Attorney McCall notified and has assigned an ADA to the case.

Crowd of 2-300 people gathered
Several bricks thrown
Two explosive devices discharged in gas station lot by demonstrator. One cop injured running from explosion.
Other explosive device started fire at QT property (QuikTrip, I believe).
Explosives thought to be made from fire works but subject to investigation.
St Anne cop injured by thrown brick
4 arrests made for assaults on police.
NO flash bags or tear gas was used by police despite social media claims.

Officer's car impounded. Dash cam was not used as it is activated when car's flashing lights are turned on. (Presumably cop responding to larceny call did not want to alert preps he was on his way)

Body cam was not used. It was given to officer not at roll call but as he was leaving to go on patrol. it was in the car.

Q&A. Deceased has record of 3 assaults, armed robbery, and some others. Arrested in Berkeley and St Louis. All arrests as an adult (0ver 17)

50 cars responded to crowd. We learned from the events in August through November.

Tactical Units responded but stayed in the background.

Some police car damage.

Q&A The officer was standing by the driver's side tire. The deceased was in front of the passenger headlight when shooting took place. NO muzzle flashes are visibile in the video from either gun.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Surveillance video released of fatal officer involved shooting in Berkeley | FOX2now.com

This is about a 32 minute presser. I thought well done. Calm, cool, expressed condolences to family. "This is a tragedy. No winner. Lose, Lose. The deceased and the officer who carries this the rest of his life. The deceased could have walked away, not drawn a gun and pointed it. There were options not taken."

Chief Jon Belmar St Louis Co PD speaking. Chief McCall, Berkeley PD to his right. The Berkeley officials asked St Louis Co to take charge shortly after the shooting.

Officer responded at 11:15 to report of Larceny at Mobil To Go. He encountered two individuals, one who pulled a gun and pointed at officer. Officer had flashlight in one hand pulled gun with the other.

2 witnesses were talked to at the scene. Other person of interest being sought.

State Attorney McCall notified and has assigned an ADA to the case.

Crowd of 2-300 people gathered
Several bricks thrown
Two explosive devices discharged in gas station lot by demonstrator. One cop injured running from explosion.
Other explosive device started fire at QT property (QuikTrip, I believe).
Explosives thought to be made from fire works but subject to investigation.
St Anne cop injured by thrown brick
4 arrests made for assaults on police.
NO flash bags or tear gas was used by police despite social media claims.

Officer's car impounded. Dash cam was not used as it is activated when car's flashing lights are turned on. (Presumably cop responding to larceny call did not want to alert preps he was on his way)

Body cam was not used. It was given to officer not at roll call but as he was leaving to go on patrol. it was in the car.

Q&A. Deceased has record of 3 assaults, armed robbery, and some others. Arrested in Berkeley and St Louis. All arrests as an adult (0ver 17)

50 cars responded to crowd. We learned from the events in August through November.

Tactical Units responded but stayed in the background.

Some police car damage.

Q&A The officer was standing by the driver's side tire. The deceased was in front of the passenger headlight when shooting took place. NO muzzle flashes are visibile in the video from either gun.

Ridiculous. We're to protest death, by killing more people!!!

 

[GoldenDomer]

Can't wait to see the 6th grade graduation picture of this kid.....

Nothing will ever beat them describing Trayvon Martin as a boy who enjoyed horseback riding.

There is 1 pic of him sitting on a horse.

 

[anarin]

So maybe the cops in those areas should protest the shit they deal with everyday, and take a week off from work. Let's see how people will react to that.

 

[phgreek]

Couple of things:

1. Cop has every right to protect himself.

2. My bigger issue is that the kid is actually carrying a weapon in that atmosphere. With all of the shit that has been happening around that are, he was taking a major risk just by having the gun. To actually use it to go on the offensive is insane against a cop.

3. Local leaders and protesters should be working with the local community to prevent these types of things from happening. LEAD your community, not just protests. Run a gun (Turn-in) Drive, Have community discussions about being an intelligent person and an outstanding citizen, disarm yourselves or take the steps need to carry legally, etc.

4. This year has boiled down to one word for me and that is EDUCATION. All people educating themselves on the issues of race, justice, great citizenship, communication skills, and unfortunately it is still needed on both sides as we move into 2015.

AMEN...(especially #3)

 

[dad4aa]

Deceased has record of 3 assaults, armed robbery, and some others. Arrested in Berkeley and St Louis. All arrests as an adult (0ver 17)

To add to the problem, if this person has had three arrests after the age of 17, why is this titled "Teen killed....?

 

[PLACforever]

That's my question here. Obviously we're dealing with a big issue here, and never before have incidents like this received such national attention on a weekly basis from the media. While many of these stories would often be localized in their respective regions, we're now seeing these blow up on a national level.

The officers haven't been flawless in their work in each circumstance, but in a majority of these cases I'm not seeing police brutality being the problem. I'm seeing officers following through with their training and acting mostly appropriately given a lack of common sense by a number of these individuals that lose their lives and an overwhelming disrespect for law enforcement.

If the reports are true that this teen brandished a gun on cops and fired it, I have no sympathy. Loss of life is a horrible thing, but shooting at law enforcement is absolutely asking for suicide by cop. A story like this shouldn't be receiving national attention under normal situations, but given the powder keg we're now faced with, and the proximity to Ferguson, I can see why the media is jumping on it.

I'm looking at my Facebook feed right now, looking at a live feed of comments on this situation with #AntonioMartin. A majority of the posts are siding with the teen.

Daniel Worth: Looks like they are at it again on Xmas. Trigger happy cops make me sick!
Eric Jackson: #‎AntonioMartin‬ another young black male MURDERED by police on Christmas eve smh
Bonnie Elizabeth Sims: and the violence continues.
#‎every28hours‬ ‪#‎blacklivesmatter‬ ‪#‎AntonioMartin‬
Kuntakinte Bigred Fairley: What is it going to take For this shit to stop ‪#‎ineedanswers‬!!!
Nelson Rodriguez: Wow, Iam sorry to say i know cops and honestly the cops are all outta control, and the only reason there giving toys out is to take attention off the bad things they've done last few months
Chelly Chellz: Police just walking round killing black teens , basically because " they fit the profile " SMFH Sleep In Peace ‪#‎AntonioMartin‬
RaiYana Howard: ‪#‎AntonioMartin‬ gunned down last night while you were sleeping. .. And rather than calling the police, they called crowd control while his 18 years young lifeless body laid on the ground for hours. I don't know the details, but what I do know is Dead males don't tell tales OR their Truths.
Alexandria Entertainer Chick: Once again..this shit is sickening ...these cops ain't shit
‪#‎Berkeley‬
‪#‎CountyFucksUpAgain‬
‪#‎FaultyAssVideo‬
Abu Shaahid: Another ‪#‎injustice‬ ‪#‎furguson‬ ‪#‎Antoniomartin‬
Tony Bradley II: Who do you call when the police murders? ‪#‎AntonioMartin‬
Eric Bates:This need be repost .evertime someone see this .because this bullshit is get out hand .an they trying blame us for bullshit .but it really them ..
Eric Ford: The Police State will fall hard my friends...better choose the right side of the law..are you a Corporate dog? or a free citizen?
Tulsa Own Reno: And it shouldn't stop why should it stop because they died. Did the cops stop killing black men after Mike Brown no. So why stop protesting!!!
Shernise DA Kidd Jones: BLACK LIVES MATTER R.I.P. ‪#‎MIKEBROWN‬ ‪#‎TRAYVONMARTIN‬ ‪#‎ERICGARNER‬ ‪#‎ANTONIOMARTIN‬ AND EVERYBODY WHO LOST THEIR LIVE TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND WRONGFUL POLICE BEHAVIOR.
Shawna Bell: un fucking believeable this is crazy im tired really tired this is too much nd too far get the fuck up out of her fuck the police and everything they stand for.........
Denny Pettway Jean Pettway: Twitter...a place for stupid people to show just how stupid they are. - "@grlforce: if police officers fear for their life every time a teenager points a gun at them, maybe they shouldn't be cops ‪#‎antoniomartin‬"
Karl Moore: No time out for Christmas for these hardworking pigs -

They go on, and on...

Lmao at Eric Ford and the idiot saying how cops shouldn't be afraid of a teenager pointing a gun at them.

 

[ulukinatme]

So maybe the cops in those areas should protest the shit they deal with everyday, and take a week off from work. Let's see how people will react to that.

I thought about this too. It would be a shame for the majority of the civilians in that area, because it would certainly devolve into anarchy quickly if they knew the cops were no longer patrolling. I think their point would get across quickly and residents would be begging for their return, but the damage would be significant.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Occupy Wall Street repressed nationally by police as well as the media. I was at a march in NYC which had hundreds of thousands of protesters, including most of the major unions in the city, yet the only mention of it I could find of it the next day was buried deep in the NY Daily News. None of the national papers covered it. Meanwhile a half dozen Tea Party people protest against healthcare at a town hall meeting and it was national news.

Not usually a conspiracy theorist but god damn.

Not sure where you were, but Occupy got a lot of coverage early. Press moved on because occupy wasn't taken seriously. No goal. No objective. No clear unified message outside of hating "corporations", meanwhile using Ipads to spread the message.

Tea Party was taken more seriously because they were protesting government takeover of our health care system and had a big impact on 2010 election

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Not sure where you were, but Occupy got a lot of coverage early. Press moved on because occupy wasn't taken seriously. No goal. No objective. No clear unified message outside of hating "corporations", meanwhile using Ipads to spread the message.

Tea Party was taken more seriously because they were protesting government takeover of our health care system and had a big impact on 2010 election

The Tea Party and the healthcare protesters were covered because they were funded by multi-billion dollar efforts and ad campaigns, as well as politicians disingenuously saying they were going to kill grandma. Occupy Wall Street supported financial reforms, taking money out of politics, and overall social justice platforms, but didn't have the backing of corporate/political structure and was systematically repressed by the police.

But going back to the coverage, it was straight spooky the fact that the biggest gathering of people I've ever seen (if you're familiar with NYC, the march was filled Broadway from Union Square to Zuccotti park in lower Manhattan, about 2 miles, AKA hundreds of thousands of people), yet is was barely covered even in the local papers.

 

[Booslum31]

The Tea Party and the healthcare protesters were covered because they were funded by multi-billion dollar efforts and ad campaigns, as well as politicians disingenuously saying they were going to kill grandma. Occupy Wall Street supported financial reforms, taking money out of politics, and overall social justice platforms, but didn't have the backing of corporate/political structure and was systematically repressed by the police.

But going back to the coverage, it was straight spooky the fact that the biggest gathering of people I've ever seen (if you're familiar with NYC, the march was filled Broadway from Union Square to Zuccotti park in lower Manhattan, about 2 miles, AKA hundreds of thousands of people), yet is was barely covered even in the local papers.

I don't think it got the coverage and didn't take hold because about ten total people out of hundreds of thousands could actually articulate..." financial reforms, taking money out of politics, and overall social justice platforms" like you just did. My shallow opinion was that they were a bunch of unhappy people who were given a brief platform to show it.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Not sure where you were, but Occupy got a lot of coverage early. Press moved on because occupy wasn't taken seriously. No goal. No objective. No clear unified message outside of hating "corporations"

Tea Party was taken more seriously because they were protesting government takeover of our health care system and had a big impact on 2010 election

More like the two parties viewed the Tea Party and Occupy as their respective movements to be utilized for a generation of political ground work. As you said, they both initially received a lot of attention. The difference is that the Tea Party was willing to play ball while the Occupy movement was not; when it became clear to the Democrats, the Party stepped away. The fact that Tea Party candidates are now funded by corporations should make that quite clear.

A simple Venn Diagram of what the two movements stood for would show anyone that they were simply the Right and Left versions of largely the same emotion: big government in bed with big business at the expense of common Americans. The Tea Party's demagogues dropped more of the big business complaints and adopted more big government criticisms, whereas the Occupy movement was derided because they wouldn't eschew big business criticisms.

meanwhile using Ipads to spread the message.

wat

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I don't think it got the coverage and didn't take hold because about ten total people out of hundreds of thousands could actually articulate..." financial reforms, taking money out of politics, and overall social justice platforms" like you just did. My shallow opinion was that they were a bunch of unhappy people who were given a brief platform to show it.

The Tea Party had a clear message because it astroturfed by politicians and corporations. They knew what they wanted very early on and had the funding and mouthpiece to make it happen. If you doubt this look no further than the Tea Party Express. Notice how the "movement" has lost momentum since it really showed its libertarian side outside the anti-Obamacare platform, threatening business interests and the RNC establishment.

Occupy for the most part was an actual grass roots movement, and its only major allies to speak of were public unions, and that was considerably later. The liberals in the government and media for the most part were too scared of being labeled as liberal extremists, and very likely loose business campaign contributions in the process (or draw that funding into their opponents). With no single leadership, no effective media mouthpiece, and instead of corporate funding having an crackdown organized nationally by law enforcement, it was a matter of time before OWS disintegrated.

And if you doubt the crackdown was organized, this is a pretty good rundown of what happnened:
Revealed: how the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | The Guardian