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Trestman should have never been hired. We pulled him from the freaking CFL. I hated when gave Cutler the extension too.

I'm a Lovie fan, and I hated to see them go. The GM held this team back by their shitty draft picking, and allowing the D to get ancient.
 

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The Redskins are definitely the worst IMO. The Bears are just so up in down, you never know what to think of them.
 
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The Redskins are definitely the worst IMO. The Bears are just so up in down, you never know what to think of them.

The Redskins (The Washington Football Team to be politically correct) just beat the Cowboys, they aren't any worse than the Bears right now. The Jag-offs however could give the Bears a run for their money.
 

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The Redskins (The Washington Football Team to be politically correct) just beat the Cowboys, they aren't any worse than the Bears right now. The Jag-offs however could give the Bears a run for their money.

I'll call that a typical NFL fluke. They are painful to watch.

I don't count the Jags as an NFL team.
 

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Another question is When do you say enough Cutler?

I don't think they have a viable alternative and Cutler isn't great but he isn't even on their list of top 10 problems.

I can't say I was excited about Cutler's extension but it's only two years of guaranteed money and the draft pickings at the position have looked pretty slim.
 

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Sustaining this awful stretch of play with all of the talent available on both sides of the ball is indicative of plain bad coaching.

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I don't think they have a viable alternative and Cutler isn't great but he isn't even on their list of top 10 problems.

I can't say I was excited about Cutler's extension but it's only two years of guaranteed money and the draft pickings at the position have looked pretty slim.

That's where you're wrong...

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Trestman should have never been hired. We pulled him from the freaking CFL. I hated when gave Cutler the extension too.

I'm a Lovie fan, and I hated to see them go. The GM held this team back by their shitty draft picking, and allowing the D to get ancient.

Samesies. One of my buddies put it best when he told me, "You guys hired a CFL coach and were surprised when that's exactly what you got."

Fire Errybody...
 
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Samesies. One of my buddies put it best when he told me, "You guys hired a CFL coach and were surprised when that's exactly what you got."

Fire Errybody...

If the competition committee decides to extend the end zone by 30 yards the Bears will be one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl.
 

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I've seen some comments from football fans saying "trade Cutler to the Jets, they love QBs that throw INTs." I think they are trying to make a joke, but Cutler very well could end up playing for Rex next year. Seems like he is the most likely guy to be Chicago's next head coach. I think Rex is an excellent coach who has been victimized by the offenses his front office has given him. In Chicago they have the opposite problem.
 

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Trestman isn't the problem. It's Cutler on offense and Tucker on defense.

The fact is, Trestman needs a system QB to run his offense (like the guy they let go to TB)
 

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Trestman isn't the problem. It's Cutler on offense and Tucker on defense.

The fact is, Trestman needs a system QB to run his offense (like the guy they let go to TB)


IMO Trestman is the problem, and the organization has two choices:

A) Fire him immediately (or at the end of the season), acknowledge his hiring was a waste of time, money, and resources, and move on to someone more qualified to run an NFL franchise

Or

B) Keep him to save face, act like he isn't the problem, and waste another year of your fans time and players primes
 

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Trestman isn't the problem. It's Cutler on offense and Tucker on defense.

The fact is, Trestman needs a system QB to run his offense (like the guy they let go to TB)

You let two teams hang almost a hundred first half points on you in consecutive weeks and aren't even competitive, that is a coaching problem. I don't doubt he's a good gameplanner and play caller on offense, but he isn't the OC. He is the head coach and the buck stops with him. He is responsible for the overall performance of the team.
 

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You let two teams hang almost a hundred first half points on you in consecutive weeks and aren't even competitive, that is a coaching problem. I don't doubt he's a good gameplanner and play caller on offense, but he isn't the OC. He is the head coach and the buck stops with him. He is responsible for the overall performance of the team.


I did read that Trestman was so angry he cancelled milk and cookies last night after the game, but the team will still have "nap time" for 3 hours every Sunday.
 

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You let two teams hang almost a hundred first half points on you in consecutive weeks and aren't even competitive, that is a coaching problem. I don't doubt he's a good gameplanner and play caller on offense, but he isn't the OC. He is the head coach and the buck stops with him. He is responsible for the overall performance of the team.

Maybe you missed the part where I said Tucker was a problem?
 

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Maybe you missed the part where I said Tucker was a problem?

Sure he is a problem. Did you miss the part where I said he is the head coach and therefore he is ultimately responsible?
 
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If it happened a lot? Sure. If ND was 3-6 Kelly would have a bullseye on his forehead.
 

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If it happened a lot? Sure. If ND was 3-6 Kelly would have a bullseye on his forehead.

So 9 fumbles (6 lost) and 11 interceptions isn't alot in a 9 game span?

I bet you were one of those people that wanted Kelly gone after he stumbled through the first couple years implementing his system.

Last year Trestman had one of the premier offenses in the league (with a system QB). The defense let them down. This year, they have Cutler back under center and the same defense letting them down. But yet, you want to put sole blame on Trestman for things that are out of his control. Sure he could go ahead and bench Cutler and play Clausen, but do you think he believes that would better his chances at offensive success? Fact is, they need to fire Tucker and get a QB that fits trestman's system.
 

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So 9 fumbles (6 lost) and 11 interceptions isn't alot in a 9 game span?

I bet you were one of those people that wanted Kelly gone after he stumbled through the first couple years implementing his system.

Last year Trestman had one of the premier offenses in the league (with a system QB). The defense let them down. This year, they have Cutler back under center and the same defense letting them down. But yet, you want to put sole blame on Trestman for things that are out of his control. Sure he could go ahead and bench Cutler and play Clausen, but do you think he believes that would better his chances at offensive success? Fact is, they need to fire Tucker and get a QB that fits trestman's system.

Turnovers are a problem, but the end result is the record. The problem with the Bears is they aren't competitive. Kelly's teams have been competitive in all but one or two games in his tenure. He wins. That is the whole point. All the rest is just ingredients.

You couldn't be more wrong about me wanting Kelly fired. I'm as staunch a defender of coaches as you'll find, to the point of maybe being an apologist. I defended Charlie up until his final year at ND. I even said in my first post about Trestman that "I'm not a 'fire the coach' guy." I'm in the other thread arguing how crazy it is to blame Kelly for what happened at ASU last weekend. But in the case of the Bears, the coach is clearly incompetent. Whether it is at the administrative level or the leadership level or the Xs and Os level is really immaterial. I think Trestman has a good offensive mind and he should be a very good coordinator next year. But his team has quit on him and even his offense, which is loaded with talent and has a QB that has been better than competent at points during his career, has stopped being competitive.

If he stays on (and it appears he will) they will probably win the next two weeks at home, but they'll finish 5-11 or 6-10 and have to replace the coach. So why not just do it now and send the message to the lockerroom that this level of performance isn't acceptable?
 
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Turnovers are a problem, but the end result is the record. The problem with the Bears is they aren't competitive. Kelly's teams have been competitive in all but one or two games in his tenure. He wins. That is the whole point. All the rest is just ingredients.

You couldn't be more wrong about me wanting Kelly fired. I'm as staunch a defender of coaches as you'll find, to the point of maybe being an apologist. I defended Charlie up until his final year at ND. I even said in my first post about Trestman that "I'm not a 'fire the coach' guy." I'm in the other thread arguing how crazy it is to blame Kelly for what happened at ASU last weekend. But in the case of the Bears, the coach is clearly incompetent. Whether it is at the administrative level or the leadership level or the Xs and Os level is really immaterial. I think Trestman has a good offensive mind and he should be a very good coordinator next year. But his team has quit on him and even his offense, which is loaded with talent and has a QB that has been better than competent at points during his career, has stopped being competitive.

If he stays on (and it appears he will) they will probably win the next two weeks at home, but they'll finish 5-11 or 6-10 and have to replace the coach. So why not just do it now and send the message to the lockerroom that this level of performance isn't acceptable?

Fire a guy after two seasons with a team. Both of which were out his control defensively and one in which his offense shit the bed. I would understand if this was next season and there was 2 straight years of bad offense. If they do not let Tucker go after this season, it still wouldn't be Trestman's fault, it would be Emery's fault for keeping Tucker around.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Had they kept mccown around and let Cutler walk, I think you're looking at a better offense. Mccown had the sense to keep it within the offense and not try to play hero (or have the Brett Favre syndrome).
 

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Second team in NFL history to give up 50 or more points in consecutive games. Somewhere down in Tampa, Lovie is smiling.

1923 Rochester Jeffersons no longer sit alone with that record.

Doubtful considering his team is 1-8, hard to smile when you are getting your ass handed to you.
 

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Also I have Jordy Nelson and Aaron Rodgers on my fantasy team, obviously I loved last nights game.
 

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Question for all you Bears fans out there:

What do you think of Martellus Bennett?
 
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Jay Glazer tweeted "watch out for the Bears for Jim Harbaugh". Interdasting...
 

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As much as I hate to say it, a win today will do a lot of damage. It will knock them out of the running for Landon Collins, and most likely seal Cutty's fate.
 
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