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[NDohio]

So you would be okay with being above average in exchange for being very good or even potentially great out of the fear of potentially being bad?

I guess you missed that part where I said I would love to agree with you. I am not afraid of being bad, but in the current college landscape having a coach whose floor is eight wins is pretty doggone good.

I definitely see some weaknesses in BK that drive me crazy, but I do not think there is a large market of better coaches out there.

 

[wizards8507]

I guess you missed that part where I said I would love to agree with you. I am not afraid of being bad, but in the current college landscape having a coach whose floor is eight wins is pretty doggone good.

I'd agree if we were Kansas State or Duke or Georgia Tech. Notre Dame shouldn't be compared to the "current college landscape." Notre Dame should be compared to the "elite tier of college football," where an 8 win (including bowl) season is mediocre. People have been crushing Oklahoma lately but they're probably a 10 win team when this season is all over. I want our "bad year" to be a 10 win year.

 

[ickythump1225]

Disagree. The system is setup such that the SEC can only get 1 in unless at least two other conferences completely implode.

At Florida, you have to beat FSU and Georgia every year in addition to the SEC title game. That's in addition to South Carolina, Tennessee, or any SEC West teams that might have an up year. Those 3 games are as hard as any on ND's schedule moving forward with USC normalizing to a good team and Stanford to an OK team.

Florida gives you the best ability to build a monster that can win a championship on talent... the path itself is not easier though.

Yeah but that's the point though. In 2 years RichRod (or whoever goes there) will have a stacked team that's better than anyone on their schedule. They could still drop one to FSU or LSU and win the SECCG and be in. Or they could lose one, not make the SECCG, and still make it into the playoffs because there's a good chance that the ACC or B1G will completely implode on any given year.

The ability to lose one game and still be in absolute control of your fate is way better than playing a slightly less difficult schedule but knowing that you HAVE to go undefeated in order to have a shot is more attractive in my mind. It's extremely hard to go undefeated every year and knowing that you have a mulligan (possibly two) on your schedule is big. Plus with the talent Florida can amass rapidly that job will be very attractive, much more attractive than Michigan in my opinion. I don't think coaches care about "tradition" or what a school did 50 years ago, that stuff is for fans and commentators. Florida is a much better position to win big in the next coach's tenure than Michigan and that is what a coach will care about. That and pay anyway.

 

[NDohio]

I'd agree if we were Kansas State or Duke or Georgia Tech. Notre Dame shouldn't be compared to the "current college landscape." Notre Dame should be compared to the "elite tier of college football," where an 8 win (including bowl) season is mediocre. People have been crushing Oklahoma lately but they're probably a 10 win team when this season is all over. I want our "bad year" to be a 10 win year.

I truly believe that the only way UND achieves consistent double-digit win seasons is to join a conference. It is just too difficult to do as an independent.

 

[MJ12666]

I'd agree if we were Kansas State or Duke or Georgia Tech. Notre Dame shouldn't be compared to the "current college landscape." Notre Dame should be compared to the "elite tier of college football," where an 8 win (including bowl) season is mediocre. People have been crushing Oklahoma lately but they're probably a 10 win team when this season is all over. I want our "bad year" to be a 10 win year.

Maybe it is just the hang-over from the last two games but I have come to the conclusion that what you want (which is what I want) is never going to happen. Looking back when ND wanted Meyer and Meyer asked for the ability to bring in three players a year that did not meet ND's admission standards and ND said no, Meyer took the Florida job. You might not like him character wise but Meyer knew he could not compete consistently for a NC without being able to bring in the players. Sure every once in a while we will get a year like 2012 where all the stars align in our favor, but realistically ND just does not have the top level talent across the board when compared to top ten teams.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Kelly lost Golson for a year, and 5 other players for being knuckleheads.

And yet those most critical of Kelly are comparing him to guys like Stoops, who never have to worry about losing their #1 QB, or 3 starters and a couple crucial depth pieces for an entire season due to "academics". Such things simply don't happen to other top programs.

I'd agree if we were Kansas State or Duke or Georgia Tech. Notre Dame shouldn't be compared to the "current college landscape." Notre Dame should be compared to the "elite tier of college football," where an 8 win (including bowl) season is mediocre. People have been crushing Oklahoma lately but they're probably a 10 win team when this season is all over. I want our "bad year" to be a 10 win year.

See my post above. It'll be fair to compare Kelly to Stoops and Saban when he has the same blank check to win at all costs that they do.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I think you go back to the names that have been discussed in the past like Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden, and Bob Stoops. I would take any one of those guys over Kelly. As far as recruiting goes, ND sells itself and let's not forget the talent even a guy like Weis was able to bring in. The fear of not meeting expectations should not deter the administration from taking a swing at things if they ever feel Kelly is not the guy to get this program back into the national championship picture.

I think eveyone, CFB & NFL fans; are over Gruden coaching anywhere. I'm not convinced he'd be the end all, be all. That Chucky crap wears thin once the honeymoon is over & he's still not winning consistently. He's copying the John Madden template. Win a SB and enjoy a long, lucrative career in the broadcast booth while being rumored for every opening.

Meyer proved back in '04 that ND was far from a "dream" job. It may have been one of his personal "dream" schools (along w/ tOSU), but he doesn't want any part of ND's recruiting restrictions & selling South Bend as a true "college town". Yeah, it's cold in Cbus, too; but combined w/ the rest of South bend & those academic hurdles, Meyer didn't want any part of it.

Stoops was closer to be the next ND coach than most people think. Reportedly the deal breaker for Stoops was not being granted 5 academic exceptions each year. ND obviously said 'No'.

Someone posted it earlier, but it's true. ND has to get a proven coach that hasn't been snatched up by the big players in the Power 5 yet. That means Saban, Stoops, Meyer etc aren't touching ND w/ a ten foot pole. You're asking them to do their "job" w/ one hand tied behind their back after they''ve clawed to the top of the CFB world w/o those kind of restrictions. They probably couldn't fathom going to a place like ND the way it's set up right now. That's why BK was a perfect fit. The time to get Meyer was after Utah. The time to get Stoops would've been when he was the DC at UF. Time to get Saban was before he took the Sparty gig.

The grass isn't always greener. Don't know what you got, till it's gone.

 

[koonja]

I think eveyone, CFB & NFL fans; are over Gruden coaching anywhere. I'm not convinced he'd be the end all, be all. That Chucky crap wears thin once the honeymoon is over & he's still not winning consistently. He's copying the John Madden template. Win a SB and enjoy a long, lucrative career in the broadcast booth while being rumored for every opening.

Meyer proved back in '04 that ND was far from a "dream" job. It may have been one of his personal "dream" schools (along w/ tOSU), but he doesn't want any part of ND's recruiting restrictions & selling South Bend as a true "college town". Yeah, it's cold in Cbus, too; but combined w/ the rest of South bend & those academic hurdles, Meyer didn't want any part of it.

Stoops was closer to be the next ND coach than most people think. Reportedly the deal breaker for Stoops was not being granted 5 academic exceptions each year. ND obviously said 'No'.

Someone posted it earlier, but it's true. ND has to get a proven coach that hasn't been snatched up by the big players in the Power 5 yet. That means Saban, Stoops, Meyer etc aren't touching ND w/ a ten foot pole. You're asking them to do their "job" w/ one hand tied behind their back after they''ve clawed to the top of the CFB world w/o those kind of restrictions. They probably couldn't fathom going to a place like ND the way it's set up right now. That's why BK was a perfect fit. The time to get Meyer was after Utah. The time to get Stoops would've been when he was the DC at UF. Time to get Saban was before he took the Sparty gig.

The grass isn't always greener. Don't know what you got, till it's gone.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The grass isn't always greener. Don't know what you got, till it's gone.

Auto-rep for Cinderella reference.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Auto-rep for Cinderella reference.

Yep. Actually met Tom Keifer several times while living in the Nashville area. Despite all the fame and fortune of being a rock star, he was suprisingly a pretty down to earth guy. Why he chose to live in the Hendersonville, Tn area was puzzling to me but to each his own. Great band that brings back some really good memories.

 

[connect the dots]

I truly believe that the only way UND achieves consistent double-digit win seasons is to join a conference. It is just too difficult to do as an independent.

I think that there are many colleges envious of the sweet five game arrangement with the ACC conference. They found a nurturing home for their other sports programs, while remaining autonomous and very profitable with the football program. The present arrangement(NBC contract, Under Armour contract, and ABC, FOX, and ESPN chasing after any available spot) is too profitable to relinquish. It's all about show me the money!

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Auto-rep for Cinderella reference.

I still remember owning their first LP...Night Songs. Saw them open up for David Lee Roth before they hit it big. They put on a helluva show. Love Kiefer's voice but I'm shocked he can still sing...sounds like he gargles razorblades. That band had a helluva Aqua Net budget.

 

[Circa]

I want Kelly and BVG here as well but posts like this are part of the problem. If it isn't Kelly's fault that we don't have a QB like that in year 5 then who's problem is it? I get the first few years but there comes a point where he has to be accountable for that, how long does he need to find/coach a QB to be all those things for him?

I think that Kelly and BVG will both be fine but straight homerism posts that take all the blame from Kelly aren't helpful as well.

Also Golson has been in the program for a long time, how much time does he need to learn our system? If it takes this long do we need to simplify the system?
EE Spring (1)
RS Fall (2)
RS Spring (3)
RS FR Fall (4)
RS FR Spring (5)
RS SO - Missed (-)
RS SO-Spring (6)
RS JR- Fall (7)

This is his 7th semester on campus. That is the same time as all Non-EE seniors.

and we are still ND. Harder for so many good reasons that the bad just sits down and stays mute

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[Classic Irish]

So hang on to a guy who's been pretty decent because you're afraid of disaster? That's negotiating from a point of weakness. That's playing not to lose.

As far as ND Nation not being able to offer a realistic alternative, how many of them are AD's, agents, coaches, or big money boosters? People like that usually don't hang out on degenerate message boards. The fact that the ND Nation message board hasn't offered you a viable alternative means nothing. It doesn't mean a better coach isn't out there.

All coaches are unknowns and gambles until they start coaching games. There are no guarantees. Numerous variables go into a coach's success. But 62 games is a pretty good track record. 62 games in, and Brian Kelly does not have a team close to championship caliber. And this isn't a case like Jimbo Fisher. He was pulling in amazing talent in his recruiting classes that he's been able to utilize to win 26 games in a row.

Will the light finally turn on for the staff and players to finally put championship-caliber games together? I hope so. But I'm not optimistic.


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With all due respect, I think your notion is absurd. It's like quitting a pretty good job in the hopes of landing a better one. There may be a better one out there but maybe not. And even if there is, I may not ultimately land that job. You may take that gamble, but I certainly would not.

As for a realistic alternative, it is incumbent upon those advocating a change in coaches to provide the realistic alternatives. And I said that NOBODY has offered a realistic alternative. Do you honestly think that if there is such a great head coach out there who would be a realistic alternative to Kelly we wouldn't know about him by now? Surely someone on an ND board or in CFB circles would toss the name out. If the alternative is a name only known to ADs or agents as you imply, then chances are he's not ready for ND. And please tell me you're not suggesting someone with no head coaching experience. To even suggest that is asinine. I agree: there are no guarantees. But obviously some coaches are bigger risks than others. The lower risk coaches (Meyer, Stoops, Saban, etc...) are not viable, realistic alternatives. If you can name some coaches who would be realistic alternatives to Kelly and be low risk coaches, I'd be interested to hear them. Otherwise, just stating that there has to be someone out there who would be better yet not providing a name is just idle talk and a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Classic Irish]

I think you go back to the names that have been discussed in the past like Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden, and Bob Stoops. I would take any one of those guys over Kelly. As far as recruiting goes, ND sells itself and let's not forget the talent even a guy like Weis was able to bring in. The fear of not meeting expectations should not deter the administration from taking a swing at things if they ever feel Kelly is not the guy to get this program back into the national championship picture.

He said viable candidates. Do you honestly think Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden, or Bob Stoops are viable candidates? Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Also Florida (the state, not the university) sports fans suck ass.

Shouldn't that be a plus? Nick Saban can't pee in Alabama without 16 dudes standing around him wanting to watch and shake his cock afterwards.

 

[Buster Bluth]

People have been crushing Oklahoma lately but they're probably a 10 win team when this season is all over. I want our "bad year" to be a 10 win year.

Well everyone thinks this team is bad and they could still win ten games.

Also Bob Stoops has had "bad years" with eight wins: 2009 and 2005. He might not win ten games this year, depending on the bowl game and Oklahoma State game.

 

[MNIrishman]

Lol we sound like Georgia fans.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

He said viable candidates. Do you honestly think Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden, or Bob Stoops are viable candidates? Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny?

Wait... No Easter Bunny? Next thing you're gonna tell me is that there's no Tooth Fairy. That would be preposterous.

 

[dshans]

I'm solid with the Easter Bunny.



Just a little shaky about that pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow ...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I'm solid with the Easter Bunny.



Just a little shaky about that pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow ...

What are your thoughts on Struwwelpeter?

 

[DogDaysIrish]

What are your thoughts on Struwwelpeter?

Child-Bearing hips. Too much time under the hair dryer. Little thick in the trunk. I'll take a pass.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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Child-Bearing hips. Too much time under the hair dryer. Little thick in the trunk. I'll take a pass.

Not to mention the little cartoon face looks exactly like Jay Cutler's.

 

[phork]

I think you go back to the names that have been discussed in the past like Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden, and Bob Stoops. I would take any one of those guys over Kelly. As far as recruiting goes, ND sells itself and let's not forget the talent even a guy like Weis was able to bring in. The fear of not meeting expectations should not deter the administration from taking a swing at things if they ever feel Kelly is not the guy to get this program back into the national championship picture.

You might take any one of those guys, NONE of those guys are coming to ND. ND does not sell itself, except for the rare gifted athlete who also has his eyes on the academic prize and not the NFL. The talent Weis brought in? Right, all on offense. ND had to score 35 points a game to offset the 32 it gave up. News Flash, ND was in the national championship picture 2 years ago. Reality check, unless the administration really wants to get down and dirty and find the next small school football genius (which it won't because it thinks like you do that Unlce Urbz is waiting for his turn at ND) then Kelly is your best bet.

I look forward to watching Michigan totally fudge another coaching hire, unless they pull up the Brinks truck to Harbaughs door and drop an $8mill payday on him. (Which they might just do because they are that desperate)

 

[IrishLax]

ND could get Gruden. Or at least "could have"... might be too entrenched in his analyst gig now (which pays really solid $$ with less demands).

But no, you're not going to get an A-list coach to transfer here from a top tier program without paying near $10mil/year which will never happen.

 

[ND NYC]

finally, a coach with a winning % at ND close to Holtz, gets us to the natl championship game, but alas-- a 2 game losing streak and its "we want Gruden" (insert guy who aint comin)

the "fire Kelly" drumbeat is laughable if you step back and think about it.

 

[stlnd01]

I think there is an outside chance you could get Bob Stoops after this season. He's getting long in the tooth at Oklahoma and might want a change (seen more than one column proposing him for Michigan). But I'm not sure even he's really an upgrade. Even with nothing like the recruiting challenges he'd face at Notre Dame (the man picked up Dorial Green-Beckham. Imagine that happening in South Bend?), he's struggled to compete with the new Big 12 powers that put significantly less recruiting stars on the field every Saturday. No kid, either.

More realistically, your best bets are experienced guys from second-tier programs, like David Shaw, Pat Fitzgerald (right...), Nuamatolo from Navy, the guy from Wisconsin, Mark D'Antonio maybe. All fine coaches. But no reason to think any of them are better than Brian Kelly - who by the way handles many aspects of the job (recruiting, program-building, the endless media obligations) way better than we have any right to expect.

Kelly needs to clean some things up. For sure. But he's earned the time to do so. Like I said above, I think the bigger risk is he leaves for another job while we sit around debating whether he's good enough for us. Then we're really F'd.

 

[ickythump1225]

ND could get Gruden. Or at least "could have"... might be too entrenched in his analyst gig now (which pays really solid $$ with less demands).

But no, you're not going to get an A-list coach to transfer here from a top tier program without paying near $10mil/year which will never happen.

What is the obsession with Gruden? Not calling you out specifically Lax but seriously why is Gruden linked to every coaching job that ever opens? He wasn't that great of a coach honestly. Yes he won a Super Bowl but honestly he did with a roster full of Dungy's guys and after he was in TB for a while they got worse and worse. He carried like 11 QBs on a roster, none of them any good, and just never seemed to be any good with roster management. He was exciting his first few seasons but his schtick wears thin the longer he coaches and his teams get worse and worse. I just don't see the fascination with him. I wouldn't want him coaching the Irish.

 

[ickythump1225]

I think there is an outside chance you could get Bob Stoops after this season. He's getting long in the tooth at Oklahoma and might want a change (seen more than one column proposing him for Michigan). But I'm not sure even he's really an upgrade. Even with nothing like the recruiting challenges he'd face at Notre Dame (the man picked up Dorial Green-Beckham. Imagine that happening in South Bend?), he's struggled to compete with the new Big 12 powers that put significantly less recruiting stars on the field every Saturday. No kid, either.

More realistically, your best bets are experienced guys from second-tier programs, like David Shaw, Pat Fitzgerald (right...), Nuamatolo from Navy, the guy from Wisconsin, Mark D'Antonio maybe. All fine coaches. But no reason to think any of them are better than Brian Kelly - who by the way handles many aspects of the job (recruiting, program-building, the endless media obligations) way better than we have any right to expect.

Kelly needs to clean some things up. For sure. But he's earned the time to do so. Like I said above, I think the bigger risk is he leaves for another job while we sit around debating whether he's good enough for us. Then we're really F'd.

Pass on Nuamatolo. I know what he does with Navy but the triple option is not an offense that will keep us in the national title discussion year in and year out. Georgia Tech has a decent season every 3 or 4 years with Paul Johnson. I would pass on Shaw and Fitzgerald but I would look at D'Antonio.

 

[stlnd01]

Pass on Nuamatolo. I know what he does with Navy but the triple option is not an offense that will keep us in the national title discussion year in and year out. Georgia Tech has a decent season every 3 or 4 years with Paul Johnson. I would pass on Shaw and Fitzgerald but I would look at D'Antonio.

I don't really think any of those guys - except maybe the Wisconsin coach - would ever actually wind up at Notre Dame, for various reasons (I love D'Antonio but can you imagine him putting up with the media demands?).
More trying to illustrate the point that that's the sort of coach we'd get, at best: A veteran head with some success at a "smaller" program who's used to dealing with structural limitations of one kind or another. Not Meyer. Not Saban. Not John fucking Gruden. And none of them really seem like much of an upgrade.