UNC Receives Notice of Allegations

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Is it even necessary to investigate further? If they can prove report is accurate (which I'm assuming it is), then shouldn't that be enough to crucify their athletic dept, etc? I mean c'mon. What's it going to take?!

Semi-related: What ever happened w/ the Miami investigation? Did they get off on those allegations?
 
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Is it even necessary to investigate further? If they can prove report is accurate (which I'm assuming it is), then shouldn't that be enough to crucify their athletic dept, etc? I mean c'mon. What's it going to take?!

Semi-related: What ever happened w/ the Miami investigation? Did they get off on those allegations?

Miami received a better than expected outcome in the Nevin Shapiro scandal(eight years of improper benefits to 114 players) because NCAA investigators did not follow guidelines and compromised their own investigation. As one reporter put it - they were pointing fingers with dirty hands! Miami lost nine football scholarships and three basketball scholarships(that swindler's dick was everywhere on campus) over three years of probation - Oct 2013 to Oct 2016. Because Miami stayed out of two bowls during the investigation, Miami received no bowl ban from the NCAA.
 

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I cant remember how egregious SMUs violations were to warrant the death penalty but is it possible the NCAA is hesitant to do it again? Which if there is a school doing things we know about, UNC would have to be close to the top of warranting one.
 

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I cant remember how egregious SMUs violations were to warrant the death penalty but is it possible the NCAA is hesitant to do it again? Which if there is a school doing things we know about, UNC would have to be close to the top of warranting one.

Death penalty will likely never be used again. NCAA was unaware of how devastating that punishment was when using it the first time. It was thought that SMU would be down for 5-8 years before rising up to their previous place. Instead it completely demolished their athletics.

UNC's is the closest I've seen but I think the NCAA will likely go for something in the USC (maybe a little worse) range. That's not really fair but hey it's the NCAA whatreyougonnado
 
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Death penalty will likely never be used again. NCAA was unaware of how devastating that punishment was when using it the first time. It was thought that SMU would be down for 5-8 years before rising up to their previous place. Instead it completely demolished their athletics.

UNC's is the closest I've seen but I think the NCAA will likely go for something in the USC (maybe a little worse) range. That's not really fair but hey it's the NCAA whatreyougonnado

Thats kind of where I am at. It completely destroyed SMU. I dont think they want the unintended consequences to occur again. It probably should be done but they wont.
 

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I cant remember how egregious SMUs violations were to warrant the death penalty but is it possible the NCAA is hesitant to do it again? Which if there is a school doing things we know about, UNC would have to be close to the top of warranting one.

I would encourage you to read up on it. I think SI did an article but it was as bad as you can imagine. Players were paid and it went all the way up to the president. Then they tried to cover it up and continued to make payments.
 

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I would encourage you to read up on it. I think SI did an article but it was as bad as you can imagine. Players were paid and it went all the way up to the president. Then they tried to cover it up and continued to make payments.

30 for 30 on it was great

Try netflix, youtube, etc
 
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I would encourage you to read up on it. I think SI did an article but it was as bad as you can imagine. Players were paid and it went all the way up to the president. Then they tried to cover it up and continued to make payments.

30 for 30 on it was great

Try netflix, youtube, etc

I definitely need to and will do. I did not want to pontificate on thier situation not knowing but little about it.

I cant imagine the damage it would do to UNC. That basketball program is the life of most of North Carolina's people.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Email from women's basketball counselor Jan Boxill to AFAM department's Deborah Crowder: <a href="http://t.co/Igb29pduOZ">pic.twitter.com/Igb29pduOZ</a></p>— Aaron Dodson (@DodgerThat) <a href="https://twitter.com/DodgerThat/status/524987660415561728">October 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Holy heck... night and day from Notre Dame. Wow. Could the two schools be any different?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Email from women's basketball counselor Jan Boxill to AFAM department's Deborah Crowder: <a href="http://t.co/Igb29pduOZ">pic.twitter.com/Igb29pduOZ</a></p>— Aaron Dodson (@DodgerThat) <a href="https://twitter.com/DodgerThat/status/524987660415561728">October 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Holy heck... night and day from Notre Dame. Wow. Could the two schools be any different?

Sometimes destruction is the only way to get through to some people. They failed, deliberately and at an institutional level across multiple sports. That's the end of the story. Obliterate their entire athletic program. Death penalty.
 
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I cant remember how egregious SMUs violations were to warrant the death penalty but is it possible the NCAA is hesitant to do it again? Which if there is a school doing things we know about, UNC would have to be close to the top of warranting one.

Eric - my Grandma made me do it - Dickerson and Craig - show me the money - James. Should the Pony Express ever return to the Southern Methodist campus, I wonder if it will be in a Pontiac Trans Am? For these two, don't ask because we ain't telling, has become their constant response to their college payments.
 

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And people were flipping the fck out over five kids getting being investigated and suspended during football season and saying ND was too slow????

LMFAO.

TWO FN DECADES??? SMH....
 

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If UNC avoids any kind of major punishment, it will completely destroy what little faith I have left with the NCAA and collegiate sports.
 

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Sometimes destruction is the only way to get through to some people. They failed, deliberately and at an institutional level across multiple sports. That's the end of the story. Obliterate their entire athletic program. Death penalty.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but it just isn't going to happen. Death Penalty will likely never be used again.
 

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The UNC saga is the lead story on CNN.com. Splashed in giant font right in your face. So at least the media is blowing someone else up, and not reserving that strictly for ND.
 

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The part where this is a national news story, not just sports news is what will drive this home.
 

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Sad, but they should get the death penalty... send a message.
 

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I don't see the problem with the death penalty in the case of such gross negligence and blatant abuse. But I agree that I don't think the NCAA has the balls to do it.
 
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Wainstein report says Jan Boxill, UNC faculty member, suggested grades for athletes in 'paper' classes | UNC scandal | NewsObserver.com
More on IrishLax's quoted tweet but worth a read.

“Did you say a D will do for (the basketball player)?” Crowder wrote to Boxill. “I’m only asking because 1. no sources, 2, it has absolutely nothing to do with the assignments for that class and 3. it seems to be a recycled paper. She took (another class) in spring of 2007 and that was likely for that class.”

According to the report, Boxill replied: “Yes, a D will be fine; that’s all she needs. I didn’t look at the paper but figured it was a recycled one as well, but I couldn’t figure out from where.”

The report said Crowder and Boxill admitted their collusion about the grade but said it was to help a student cross the finish line to graduation, not maintain her eligibility.

Boxill is a senior lecturer in the philosophy department and was chair of the faculty from 2011 to earlier this year. She directs the university’s Parr Center for Ethics. She has written books on race and gender and sports ethics, and she was a radio announcer for UNC women’s basketball games.

Boxill was one of 126 people interviewed by the Wainstein investigators, and her email was examined as part of the investigation.

Wainstein’s report paints Boxill as sympathetic to women’s sports players.

In 2010, she forwarded a paper for another player to Crowder’s successor in the AFAM department. Boxill wrote that the paper “is very good and informative. I would give it an A- or at least a B+.” The department manager replied that the paper seemed worth an A- to her.

Boxill responded: “GREAT!!!”

Read more here: Wainstein report says Jan Boxill, UNC faculty member, suggested grades for athletes in 'paper' classes | UNC scandal | NewsObserver.com

Adding ‘stuff’ to papers

Boxill also admitted to investigators that she crossed a line when tutoring players, by drafting sentences and paragraphs for their papers, according to the report. The admission came after Wainstein’s team examined email traffic between Boxill and the players. In one case, Boxill emailed a player a revised paper and said she had “add(ed) some stuff for the intro and conclusion.”

Read more here: Wainstein report says Jan Boxill, UNC faculty member, suggested grades for athletes in 'paper' classes | UNC scandal | NewsObserver.com

Altered 2012 report

It’s not the first time questions have been raised about Boxill. In 2012, as chairwoman of the faculty, she had encouraged last-minute edits to a faculty report on the scandal. She told her colleagues it would be best to remove Crowder’s name from the report, along with a reference that Crowder was “extremely close” to people in athletics. Boxill said that could raise “further NCAA issues.”

Read more here: Wainstein report says Jan Boxill, UNC faculty member, suggested grades for athletes in 'paper' classes | UNC scandal | NewsObserver.com
 

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If UNC avoids any kind of major punishment, it will completely destroy what little faith I have left with the NCAA and collegiate sports.

What? You still have faith in the NCAA? lol

The UNC saga is the lead story on CNN.com. Splashed in giant font right in your face. So at least the media is blowing someone else up, and not reserving that strictly for ND.

The part where this is a national news story, not just sports news is what will drive this home.

This will make ND look even better, given that it was found out and handled immediately.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/23/sports/university-of-north-carolina-investigation-reveals-shadow-curriculum-to-help-athletes.html

The papers the students turned in were often woefully bad, according to the report, which asked three outside experts to examine 150 such papers. The review found that in 61, at least 25 percent of the text “was taken verbatim from other sources,” and in 26 of those, at least 50 percent was copied from somewhere else.

“For example, in one paper that was ostensibly about the life and work of Nikki Giovanni as it related to larger dynamics in African-American culture, the student had simply written a two-page introduction and a last page of text,” the experts found, according to the report.

“The entire rest of the paper in between those pages is almost nothing other than transcriptions of poems and other texts by Giovanni, formatted to take up maximal space,” the report also said.

One thing was made abundantly clear in the report: The fake classes went a long way toward helping athletes overwhelmed by academic demands remain eligible to play on the Tar Heels teams.

“In the case of 329 students, the grade they received in a paper class provided the G.P.A. boost that either kept or pushed their G.P.A. above the 2.0 level for a semester,” the report said. Of those students, 169 were athletes: 123 football players, 15 men’s basketball players, eight women’s basketball players and 26 athletes from other sports.

In the fall of 2009, the first semester in more than a decade without Ms. Crowder’s paper classes, the football team recorded its lowest grade-point average in 10 years, 2.121, the report said.
LOL.
 

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From the Indy Star. 3,100 students involved.

An investigation commissioned by the University of North Carolina found 18 years of academic fraud involving athletes guided to no-show classes and receiving high grades.

But the report released Wednesday might be notable in Indianapolis for one of the people who declined to be interviewed.

Colts coach Chuck Pagano, North Carolina's defensive coordinator in 2007, was named in the report as being among "five notable exceptions who refused to speak with us, four of whom were associated with the football program."

Investigators, led by a former high-ranking official at the U.S. Justice Department, listed 126 people as having been interviewed and 1.6 million emails and other electronic documents as having been searched.

A letter in July to Pagano from Kenneth L. Wainstein, who led the investigation, said, "Given our review of documents and information to this point, we understand that you may have important relevant information."

Investigators also wanted to talk with Colts receivers coach Charlie Williams, who was North Carolina's receivers coach from 2007 to 2011. Williams also declined.

Besides Pagano, the other four "notables" who refused to be interviewed were: former head football academic counselor Cynthia Reynolds; former football academic counselor Octavus Barnes; former assistant football coach and interim head coach Everett Withers; and former associate dean of academic advising Carolyn Cannon.

One of the 126 people who were interviewed by investigators was Purdue offensive coordinator John Shoop, offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at North Carolina from 2007 to 2011.

The Colts did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Pagano and Williams.

In emails from July and this month that were included in the report, Dan Emerson, the Colts' vice president and general counsel, said he communicated with Pagano and Williams about the North Carolina investigation.

The email this month said both coaches "reconfirmed they were aware of no facts which might have a bearing on your investigation. I take them both at face value and wouldn't characterize them as being uncooperative."

Emerson reiterated that point in an email to The Star on Wednesday.

"When they were advised of the interview requests on the eve of training camp, neither Coach Pagano nor Coach Williams 'refused to speak' with Mr. Wainstein," Emerson wrote. "Instead, they both simply confirmed they were aware of no information that might have had any bearing on the investigation."

Current Colts receiver Hakeem Nicks played at North Carolina from 2006 to 2008. The Raleigh News & Observer reported in 2012 that Nicks, who entered the NFL in 2009, should have been ineligible to play for the Tar Heels in 2008 because a tutor wrote part of five papers for Nicks for an education course. The NCAA called it "academic fraud."

From 1993 to 2011, the report said, North Carolina's African-American Studies department offered "paper classes" with no interaction with faculty, no class attendance and no work other than one paper. That paper routinely received a high grade from a non-faculty member who graded without reading or evaluating its quality.


North Carolina probe: 3,100 students involved in 'shadow curriculum'
Over 18 years, North Carolina offered 188 such classes for more than 3,100 students.

The report said the classes were popular with football and men's basketball players. But some athletic department staff members "made a conscious decision not to ask questions even though they had suspicions about the educational content of those classes."

Shoop said he reviewed class schedules and spoke with players about their classes.

"Shoop recalled that his players were taking independent studies," the report said, "and explained that his understanding was that the players would meet with a professor and turn in a 10-15 page research paper, which he thought was standard for independent study."
 
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I might have missed this but has anyone mentioned Dean Smith? I mean there is no way he didn't know about this over last 18 years. Right?
 

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Yes, please. Given the scope and severity of the allegations, free transfers for current players are a possibility. RB is major need for us, and getting Hood back in the fold would be poetic.

I don't see the problem with the death penalty in the case of such gross negligence and blatant abuse. But I agree that I don't think the NCAA has the balls to do it.

Just a quick reminder that the NCAA is its member schools. It has no meaningful authority to depart from the will of that majority. While it's shocking to see this stuff finally exposed, we're not really surprised, are we? Our fans have long intuited that ND is increasingly alone in taking the education of its athletes seriously. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there are several other major programs walking a similar line, who now have a powerful incentive to ensure that UNC gets the lightest punishment possible.

Take a look at the football schools with the worst African-American GSRs. What are the odds that similar academic fraud is going on at Cal, OU, Texas, Ole Miss, USC, Michigan, FSU, Mississippi State, etc.? I'd bet money on it.

In other words, prepare to be disappointed by the NCAA's response here.
 
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