Oct 4 | Stanford

[woolybug25]

Is Stanford's band still banned from Notre Dame Stadium?

 

[GowerND11]

Is Stanford's band still banned from Notre Dame Stadium?

If they aren't they should be.

 

[ACamp1900]

Is Stanford's band still banned from Notre Dame Stadium?

They were banned??

 

[wizards8507]

I see the listed start time, can anyone confirm that the game is still going to start at 12:30 PST?

PDT*, but yes.

*PST (and EST and CST and MST) are incorrect during daylight savings time. You can use PST again on November 2.

Is Stanford's band still banned from Notre Dame Stadium?

I hope so. Also, their tree is gross this year. It has a nasty phallic tongue.

 

[GowerND11]

They were banned??

I remember one time they were banned in the early 2000s for throwing potatoes, I believe, and generally making fun of the Irish Potato Famine.

 

[IrishLion]

Anyone have experience with the NBC Live app yet this year? I haven't had to use it to stream a game yet, but I will tomorrow.

I'll be tailgating for UC vs Memphis, and I usually use WatchESPN and an HDMI iphone adapter to get the games, which works like a charm, but I've heard horror stories about NBC's ND app.

(Also, if it's not the "NBC Live" app anymore, please tell me that lol)

 

[wizards8507]

They were banned??

Pregnant nuns, conducting with a crucifix, mocking the potato famine.

Stanford Band banned from halftime of the Orange Bowl | National Football Post

The Stanford Marching Unit Team has been giving the NCAA ulcers for over 40 years, whether it was the white van covered in bloody handprints during the O.J. saga or mocking the USC alum who started Girls Gone Wild. There have been many other instances, as well, including an incident involving a crucifix that poked fun at Notre Dame. The Fighting Irish have kicked them off the South Bend campus permanently.

The entire state of Oregon has also banned the unit.

Stanford Marching Band's Top 10 Controversial Moments | Bleacher Report

This one might be the worst:

The date: September 11, 2004 (Stanford vs BYU)

The location: Stanford Stadium

The controversy: The band decided to take aim at Mormons this time around. The Stanford dance troupe, known as Dollies, were dressed in wedding veils during a halftime performance. The band manager knelt in front of each Dollie and proposed, while the band's announcer described the scene as "the sacred bond that exists between a man and a woman... and a woman... and a woman... and a woman... and a woman.

 

[wizards8507]

Anyone have experience with the NBC Live app yet this year? I haven't had to use it to stream a game yet, but I will tomorrow.

I'll be tailgating for UC vs Memphis, and I usually use WatchESPN and an HDMI iphone adapter to get the games, which works like a charm, but I've heard horror stories about NBC's ND app.

(Also, if it's not the "NBC Live" app anymore, please tell me that lol)

I think it's NBC Sports Live Extra. For some reason my version of the app always thinks it's the Winter Olympics or last year's NHL playoffs when I login, but it seems to function well once you actually get into a stream. You also need solid wi-fi to keep it running. Buffering makes it glitchy.

 

[woolybug25]

I remember one time they were banned in the early 2000s for throwing potatoes, I believe, and generally making fun of the Irish Potato Famine.

Yeah. In 2007 they did a skit filled with parodies of stereotypical Irish-Catholic behavior and an incredibly offensive bit on the Irish Potato Famine.

But people often forget that in '91 they did a skit where their band leader dressed up in a nun outfit with a wooden cross as the baton. It was also an offensive skit that drew a female fan out of the stands. She ripped off his nun hat, told him "I hope you go to hell for this" and they proceeded to fight.

The Stanford band has been a disgraceful representative of what really is a fine university. The fact that they allow them to go all over the country and disgrace them is beyond my comprehension. They have been punished by the NCAA and banned from multiple stadiums, yet they continue the tradition of pushing the limit. They even had the former Governor of Oregon (Neil Goldschmidt) banned them for 10 years from the state. They are a tasteless group with a mission of being as repulsive as possible.

 

[GowerND11]

Yeah. In 2007 they did a skit filled with parodies of stereotypical Irish-Catholic behavior and an incredibly offensive bit on the Irish Potato Famine.

But people often forget that in '91 they did a skit where their band leader dressed up in a nun outfit with a wooden cross as the baton. It was also an offensive skit that drew a female fan out of the stands. She ripped off his nun hat, told him "I hope you go to hell for this" and they proceeded to fight.

The Stanford band has been a disgraceful representative of what really is a fine university. The fact that they allow them to go all over the country and disgrace them is beyond my comprehension. They have been punished by the NCAA and banned from multiple stadiums, yet they continue the tradition of pushing the limit. They even had the former Governor of Oregon (Neil Goldschmidt) banned them for 10 years from the state. They are a tasteless group with a mission of being as repulsive as possible.

It is perplexing you're right. I've never understood how a university as prestigious as Stanford could allow it's band, a HUGE representative of the school, to run around like idiots in the name of "entertainment."

 

[koonja]

Fuck Stanford.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think it all comes down to the play of our OLine. If we can hold off the charge of Stanford's from 7, we should be able to take advantage of Golson's athleticism and arm move the ball into scoring position a few times. Their offense does not worry me much as their running game is not what it was over the past few years, and our defensive speed should counter their pedestrian passing game. Take some Vitamin C, get some rest and come out and show why our OLinemen were rated so high coming out of HS. ND 20-Stanford 10.

 

[wizards8507]

It is perplexing you're right. I've never understood how a university as prestigious as Stanford could allow it's band, a HUGE representative of the school, to run around like idiots in the name of "entertainment."

You're shocked that self-styled "intellectual elites" are openly contemptuous of religion and religious institutions? These are the same people that think "Piss Christ" is brilliant art and abortion is a nifty means of population control.

 

[IrishLion]

I think it's NBC Sports Live Extra. For some reason my version of the app always thinks it's the Winter Olympics or last year's NHL playoffs when I login, but it seems to function well once you actually get into a stream. You also need solid wi-fi to keep it running. Buffering makes it glitchy.

I'll be using 4g LTE cell network, which hasn't been an issue using WatchESPN during our tailgates yet.

 

[pkt77242]

You're shocked that self-styled "intellectual elites" are openly contemptuous of religion and religious institutions? These are the same people that think "Piss Christ" is brilliant art and abortion is a nifty means of population control.

First off, I am not sure that this type of political post belongs in the gameday thread but if you must go there, I think the Piss Christ is slightly misunderstood. The artist Andres Serrano puts many statues in liquid such as a copy of Discobolus, a copy of The Thinker, etc.

Also don't paint all intellectual elites as openly contemptuous of religion, because it makes you look bad not them. Not shocked that you would go down that road.

 

[ACamp1900]

First off, I am not sure that this type of political post belongs in the gameday thread but if you must go there, I think the Piss Christ is slightly misunderstood. The artist Andres Serrano puts many statues in liquid such as a copy of Discobolus, a copy of The Thinker, etc.

Also don't paint all intellectual elites as openly contemptuous of religion, because it makes you look bad not them. Not shocked that you would go down that road.

Damned intellectuals and their cider drinking ways....

 

[woolybug25]

First off, I am not sure that this type of political post belongs in the gameday thread but if you must go there, I think the Piss Christ is slightly misunderstood. The artist Andres Serrano puts many statues in liquid such as a copy of Discobolus, a copy of The Thinker, etc.

Also don't paint all intellectual elites as openly contemptuous of religion, because it makes you look bad not them. Not shocked that you would go down that road.

To add, the comment about Ehrlich is Glen Beck type jive. I don't like Stanford as much as the next guy, but it has been widely disproved that Ehrlich ever supported forced abortion. He often rallied for government to intervene in order to make birth control and abortions more available, but never specifically noted that abortions in particular should be forced. This is a misrepresentation of his work that has been used for decades.

Also, he doesn't speak for Stanford. He is simply a faculty member. Shoot, even a Notre Dame faculty member called for the pope to rethink his stance on abortion. He doesn't speak for Notre Dame any more than Ehrlich spoke for Stanford.

Notre Dame Professor Wants Pope Francis to Allow Some Abortions

Let's move on though, shall we?

 

[DillonHall]

I think it all comes down to the play of our OLine. If we can hold off the charge of Stanford's from 7, we should be able to take advantage of Golson's athleticism and arm move the ball into scoring position a few times. Their offense does not worry me much as their running game is not what it was over the past few years, and our defensive speed should counter their pedestrian passing game. Take some Vitamin C, get some rest and come out and show why our OLinemen were rated so high coming out of HS. ND 20-Stanford 10.

Unlike past years, Stanford's strength on defense seems to be in the secondary (at least that's where they seem to be most experienced). Hopefully we can run the ball.

 

[ProdiGOL5ON]

First off, I am not sure that this type of political post belongs in the gameday thread but if you must go there, I think the Piss Christ is slightly misunderstood. The artist Andres Serrano puts many statues in liquid such as a copy of Discobolus, a copy of The Thinker, etc.

Also don't paint all intellectual elites as openly contemptuous of religion, because it makes you look bad not them. Not shocked that you would go down that road.

So you're saying that if I took offense to someone putting a statue of me in a container of piss then I am the one at fault for misunderstanding?

Unless I have not been updated on a new version of societal norms, then piss is still not a sign of respect.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Gotta get ready to hit the road to Oxturd. You guys beat them Trees for T Town. Later!!!!

Notre Dame 24
Supplemental U 14

 

[pkt77242]

So you're saying that if I took offense to someone putting a statue of me in a container of piss then I am the one at fault for misunderstanding?

Unless I have not been updated on a new version of societal norms, then piss is still not a sign of respect.

Really, that is what you got from my post?

How about you read this about a nun and what Piss Christ means to her.

A Nun Defends Serrano’s “Piss Christ,” Which Was Attacked on Sunday | FrontRow

Remember most of the times people see very different things when they look at art. You might see disrespect but this nun saw it differently. I don't know what the artists was intending but you seem to be rushing to judge it.

 

[wizards8507]

First off, I am not sure that this type of political post belongs in the gameday thread but if you must go there, I think the Piss Christ is slightly misunderstood. The artist Andres Serrano puts many statues in liquid such as a copy of Discobolus, a copy of The Thinker, etc.

What? There was nothing political about what I said.

Also don't paint all intellectual elites as openly contemptuous of religion, because it makes you look bad not them. Not shocked that you would go down that road.

1. Identifying a general trend among a group of people is not the same as applying that trend to "all" individuals in that group. Saying "most Republicans voted for Mitt Romney in 2012" is a true statement and is not the same as saying "every single Republican voted for Mitt Romney in 2012." Likewise, I did not say "every single Stanford intellectual elite hates religion."

2. Notre Dame and other religious universities are consistently underrated by the "peer assessment score" in the US News and World Report university rankings. Notre Dame is the highest-rated university with a religious affiliation at number 16 overall.

 

[pkt77242]

What? There was nothing political about what I said.


1. Identifying a general trend among a group of people is not the same as applying that trend to "all" individuals in that group. Saying "most Republicans voted for Mitt Romney in 2012" is a true statement and is not the same as saying "every single Republican voted for Mitt Romney in 2012." Likewise, I did not say "every single Stanford intellectual elite hates religion."

2. Notre Dame and other religious universities are consistently underrated by the "peer assessment score" in the US News and World Report university rankings. Notre Dame is the highest-rated university with a religious affiliation at number 16 overall.

So, why does that have to be about religion? Maybe they aren't viewed as positively because they don't do as much research or because of the limited number of doctoral programs or any other things it could be, why do you go straight to religion? Isn't that like Al Sharpeton going straight for the race card?

Also who the Hell said there was a general trend that "intellectual elites" are anti-religion?

 

[IrishLion]

I understand that "art is in the eye of the creator and beholder" and whatnot, but some of the things that people consider "art" baffle me.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Me too. Sheldon and Jarron are two guys we can't afford to play sub-par against a team like Stanford...or not play at all. They need to be healthy and play solid. Not be shells of themselves because they've been sick all week and still recovering... or worse, still sick.

Hopefully it's nothing major cuz we need those guys. Ronnie too.

I was feeling super confident about this game but if those 3 are out or play poorly then I am very concerned. I was thinking we'd win by a solid 2 possessions but if those guys are not themselves then I think it's a toss up. Changes everything about our D.

Don't know about Day or Stanley, but Jones looked fine today.

 

[MNIrishman]

What? There was nothing political about what I said.


1. Identifying a general trend among a group of people is not the same as applying that trend to "all" individuals in that group. Saying "most Republicans voted for Mitt Romney in 2012" is a true statement and is not the same as saying "every single Republican voted for Mitt Romney in 2012." Likewise, I did not say "every single Stanford intellectual elite hates religion."

2. Notre Dame and other religious universities are consistently underrated by the "peer assessment score" in the US News and World Report university rankings. Notre Dame is the highest-rated university with a religious affiliation at number 16 overall.

I'm really hoping that, with our new commitment to research as well, our peer assessment score increases dramatically. Duke University and Stanford were able to ascend to greatness very quickly by establishing world-class research programs that didn't compromise the undergraduate experience. I believe with a similar strategy, we can break through and overcome the "academic stigma" of religious affiliation without having to compromise that affiliation.

 

[MNIrishman]

So, why does that have to be about religion? Maybe they aren't viewed as positively because they don't do as much research or because of the limited number of doctoral programs or any other things it could be, why do you go straight to religion? Isn't that like Al Sharpeton going straight for the race card?

ND physics grad here. A lot of academics believe that ND operates similarly to fundamentalist Christian schools (young earth creationism, evolution is a lie, etc.), which hurts us. Our professors sometimes get asked at conferences what it's like to operate in a hostile environment like that.

Religion is one part of it, but the bigger part is research. We have to find a way to maintain our undergraduate focus while accomplishing genuine world-class research work.

 

[wizards8507]

So, why does that have to be about religion? Maybe they aren't viewed as positively because they don't do as much research or because of the limited number of doctoral programs or any other things it could be, why do you go straight to religion?

I don't. This is a well-established and often discussed (on this board and others) issue with university rankings. For example:

The Most Overrated and Underrated Law Schools « Above the Law: A Legal Web Site – News, Commentary, and Opinions on Law Firms, Lawyers, Law Schools, Law Suits, Judges and Courts + Career Resources

These are schools that we don’t talk about very much (except for when they accidentally release the personal data for their entire incoming class), but the trend here seems to be that if the school has any kind of a religious affiliation, its peer assessment score drops quicker than the Walls of Jericho.

 

[Wild Bill]

So Stanford....is Skov back for his 7th year?

 

[wizards8507]

I'm really hoping that, with our new commitment to research as well, our peer assessment score increases dramatically. Duke University and Stanford were able to ascend to greatness very quickly by establishing world-class research programs that didn't compromise the undergraduate experience. I believe with a similar strategy, we can break through and overcome the "academic stigma" of religious affiliation without having to compromise that affiliation.

I went to Mendoza so I'm no expert on "researchy" fields like Engineering or Physics, but isn't one of the major issues that the "big time" researchers don't actually want to teach undergraduates, but Notre Dame makes them? My mother works at Brown and they struggle with the same issue. Their faculty have to teach undergrads so they have trouble recruiting some of those rainmaker-type researchers.