Charlie Weis - Bitter?

[phgreek]

...ok joking aside...

What he is seems to translate less to the college game the further away from elite talent and football IQ ya go. I think he is not a teacher...he is a chess player.

I had hoped he would translate at a place like Kansas with reasonably smart kids who play because they love the game (NFL not likely)...but reality is he'd do better to get himself back in the NFL...and stay there

I don't think he is a guy to "build" a college program...hurts to say it, but appears true.

I'd love it if he proved me wrong...

 

[fitz_bu47]

That's bull****. I really can't stand our media these days. There are no consequences for posting crap like that. If that's true, we are all human and make mistakes. I used to think Feldman was pretty good, but he's like the rest of the media. Taking cheap shots, and rushing to conclusions on stories w/out the facts to get "the scoop". (see his tweets about the academic stuff at ND, no matter what happens, they didn't have all the facts)

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>(This man makes more than $2.5 million a year.) <a href="https://t.co/UzpG3HY6w3">https://t.co/UzpG3HY6w3</a></p>— Adam Kramer (@KegsnEggs) <a href="https://twitter.com/KegsnEggs/status/509413502771933185">September 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Methinks Chaz is going to be looking for a new job soon.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>(This man makes more than $2.5 million a year.) <a href="https://t.co/UzpG3HY6w3">https://t.co/UzpG3HY6w3</a></p>— Adam Kramer (@KegsnEggs) <a href="https://twitter.com/KegsnEggs/status/509413502771933185">September 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Methinks Chaz is going to be looking for a new job soon.

Probably so. Just about blew the game on Saturday. Southeast Missouri State...yeesh...

 

[ACamp1900]

It seems many a moon since downing Va Tech in the Orange bowl....

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It seems many a moon since downing Va Tech in the Orange bowl....

2008. I watched that game on my honeymoon. So fun. Now Mangino is the OC at Iowa State.

 

[fitz_bu47]

I think the full quote was "shut up and play". They lost focus and gave up 21 in the fourth quarter to SEMO. Once again, probably shouldn't have said it that way, but the message wasn't wrong. More of Charlie's "jersey rhetoric". They actually looked pretty good in the first half, up 24-0 and 31-7. Will get a much better idea of how this season will go Saturday, I am an eternal optimist but I can't help but think Duke is gonna blow their doors off.

 

[ulukinatme]

The Big 12 definitely isn't an awful conference these days, I don't see a lot of W's on the schedule for them this year. They may get 3 wins total, if that.

 

[Classic Irish]

Charlie may be joined by Bob Davie in the unemployment line. The Lobos are 0-2.

 

[MNIrishman]

Charlie may be joined by Bob Davie in the unemployment line. The Lobos are 0-2.

Lobos aren't in a BCS conference and haven't they overachieved under BD overall?

 

[Classic Irish]

Lobos aren't in a BCS conference and haven't they overachieved under BD overall?

All I know is that in his third year, he's 0-2 with a 7-20 mark at New Mexico.

 

[MNIrishman]

All I know is that in his third year, he's 0-2 with a 7-20 mark at New Mexico.

Ah that is much worse than I thought. Davie, Willingham, and Weis all seem to have crashed and burned after they left ND. Did we break them somehow? Or did they achieve some sort of black magic to be hired in the first place?

 

[ickythump1225]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Keep gettin dem checks RT <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooDrSaturday">@YahooDrSaturday</a>: Charlie Weis made more money in 2012 from Notre Dame than Brian Kelly did <a href="http://t.co/F9csm3L1SD">http://t.co/F9csm3L1SD</a></p>— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/469217386189848576">May 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I can't believe how much we threw at him in that extension. Hard to believe Kelly hasn't earned that kind of money yet.

Schematic Advantage.

 

[ickythump1225]

...ok joking aside...

What he is seems to translate less to the college game the further away from elite talent and football IQ ya go. I think he is not a teacher...he is a chess player.

I had hoped he would translate at a place like Kansas with reasonably smart kids who play because they love the game (NFL not likely)...but reality is he'd do better to get himself back in the NFL...and stay there

I don't think he is a guy to "build" a college program...hurts to say it, but appears true.

I'd love it if he proved me wrong...

I've always thought he should have went back to the NFL as an O-coordinator. He went to the college level with ND and hasn't been able to shake the bug since it seems.

 

[ulukinatme]

Charlie may be joined by Bob Davie in the unemployment line. The Lobos are 0-2.

Lobos aren't in a BCS conference and haven't they overachieved under BD overall?

I think Davie will get more time. You have to look at what Davie has done and what his predecessor did, Locksley. Locksley's squads won just 2 games in the last 3 years he was there, Davie has already improved on that a bit. The Lobos are also more competitive in the games they've lost. Locksley's squads were getting beat by 30-40 points almost every week, while Davie has been competitive in the games they should be and typically just blown out against teams like Texas, Texas Tech, etc.

 

[stlnd01]

Nice to see Charlie had some good words for Kevin White, at least...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Charlie Weis opens his weekly presser by offering some praise for Duke AD Kevin White, who hired him at Notre Dame.</p>— Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/509401480894230529">September 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ulukinatme]

Nice to see Charlie had some good words for Kevin White, at least...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Charlie Weis opens his weekly presser by offering some praise for Duke AD Kevin White, who hired him at Notre Dame.</p>— Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/509401480894230529">September 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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"I'm gonna take him out for some good Kansas BBQ since he's the reason I'm still picking up a paycheck from ND today."

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Nice to see Charlie had some good words for Kevin White, at least...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Charlie Weis opens his weekly presser by offering some praise for Duke AD Kevin White, who hired him at Notre Dame.</p>— Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/509401480894230529">September 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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They bonded over mutual cluelessness.

 

[KPENN]

Losing to duke 41-3, ouch.

 

[Rudy89]

Charlie seems like a guy who would w a great QB, WR, or OC, but lousy as the man in charge. He's the reason why until we win a major bowl or national title I won't drink Kelly's kool-aid. After 05 I chugged gallons of Charlie's and it amounted to squat so I'm scared to drink the new batch.

 

[KPENN]

Charlie seems like a guy who would w a great QB, WR, or OC, but lousy as the man in charge. He's the reason why until we win a major bowl or national title I won't drink Kelly's kool-aid. After 05 I chugged gallons of Charlie's and it amounted to squat so I'm scared to drink the new batch.

Except for Kelley and Weis being absolutely nothing alike but keep being a pessimist.

 

[Irish8248]

Charlie seems like a guy who would w a great QB, WR, or OC, but lousy as the man in charge. He's the reason why until we win a major bowl or national title I won't drink Kelly's kool-aid. After 05 I chugged gallons of Charlie's and it amounted to squat so I'm scared to drink the new batch.

If you can't see a complete 180 between Charlie and BK then you're blind... Every aspect of this team feels different. The depth, talent, speed, confidence, the coaching, the assistant coaching; literally everything. I don't think CW beats BK in any area and I liked CW as a coach. I love me some BK though. He fricken gets it

 

[ulukinatme]

Charlie and BK can both recruit, but the difference is in development and depth. Charlie did a poor job developing players, especially on the defensive side of the ball. His depth was just awful, whereas Kelly seems to do a good job of cultivating the "Next man in" mentality and having players prepared (Other than a backup QB against Michigan in his first season).

Charlie may not be a great head coach, but I think he did a decent job of not leaving the cupboard bare like Ty did when he left. He actually did a decent job offensively, his defenses were just atrocious though.

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah. Huge difference in approach between Weis and Kelly. Kelly's a professional college football coach (CEO, program builder, maximizer of developing 18-22 year old kids, etc.). Weis is a pro coach dabbling in college (though at this point he may be stuck there) . Really not fair to either to compare the two, or to lower expectations for Kelly as a result of Weis.
I would agree, though, Weis left the cupboard less bare than Ty did.

 

[BGIF]

Yeah. Huge difference in approach between Weis and Kelly. Kelly's a professional college football coach (CEO, program builder, maximizer of developing 18-22 year old kids, etc.). Weis is a pro coach dabbling in college (though at this point he may be stuck there) . Really not fair to either to compare the two, or to lower expectations for Kelly as a result of Weis.
I would agree, though, Weis left the cupboard less bare than Ty did.

Dabbling in college? He's been dabbling since '05 at the rate of a couple of million a year.

Weis and Willingham have proven that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

 

[stlnd01]

Dabbling in college? He's been dabbling since '05 at the rate of a couple of million a year.

Weis and Willingham have proven that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

He's been a college coach for most of a decade and yet he's never really seemed like he fit in. Even in those heady early days at ND he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and showed little interest in half the game. A pro coordinator can do that. A college head can't. He should've stayed in KC and left the college game to guys like Kelly.
And aside from administrators at Kansas I'm not sure who Charlie's really been fooling since on about 2007.

 

[texbender]

Ah that is much worse than I thought. Davie, Willingham, and Weis all seem to have crashed and burned after they left ND. Did we break them somehow? Or did they achieve some sort of black magic to be hired in the first place?

To me it just underscores how inept ND has been at hiring their football coaches, starting with the hire of a high school coach and bungling the O'Leary hire. There never seems to be a plan in place, and as we have seen, there are a slew of top coaches who when presented the keys, refrain from taking the job.

 

[Rudy89]

Except for Kelley and Weis being absolutely nothing alike but keep being a pessimist.

You're right Kelly is a ton better but I just won't drink kool aid until we start making consistent major bowl or playoff appearances. I don't see a problem me not wanting to drink the kool aid on a coach until we know for sure he has turned us into an elite team but whatever. it's cool if you feel differently man I know not a lot of people are like me.

 

[BGIF]

To me it just underscores how inept ND has been at hiring their football coaches, starting with the hire of a high school coach and bungling the O'Leary hire. There never seems to be a plan in place, and as we have seen, there are a slew of top coaches who when presented the keys, refrain from taking the job.

There was a plan, Davie and Willingham were exactly what president Malloy wanted. Low profile coaches whose names came after the university's NOT before it. He did not want a Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, or Holtz who would lock horns with the administration over admissions, staff salaries, bowl games, field conditions, training table, training facilities, etc, etc. Malloy wanted a coach who knew his place.

Malloy didn't want to fire Willingham. As President-elect Jenkins stressed that a change was necessary and got on a plane to go court Meyer. Too late, while Malloy fiddled the UF president, Meyer's former boss had him on speed dial.

Weis came off a list. He knew football and as an ND grad was familiar with ND's emphasis on the first part of student-athlete. Unfortunately, his lack on head coaching experience left him deficient in hiring a staff with chemistry and managing that staff.

The Tressels, Petrino's and such, will always walk away, ND is the toughest job in a tough business. The Gruden's want total control and that's not going to happen.

 

[GATTACA!]

There was a plan, Davie and Willingham were exactly what president Malloy wanted. Low profile coaches whose names came after the university's NOT before it. He did not want a Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, or Holtz who would lock horns with the administration over admissions, staff salaries, bowl games, field conditions, training table, training facilities, etc, etc. Malloy wanted a coach who knew his place.

Malloy didn't want to fire Willingham. As President-elect Jenkins stressed that a change was necessary and got on a plane to go court Meyer. Too late, while Malloy fiddled the UF president, Meyer's former boss had him on speed dial.

Weis came off a list. He knew football and as an ND grad was familiar with ND's emphasis on the first part of student-athlete. Unfortunately, his lack on head coaching experience left him deficient in hiring a staff with chemistry and managing that staff.

The Tressels, Petrino's and such, will always walk away, ND is the toughest job in a tough business. The Gruden's want total control and that's not going to happen.