'16 CA QB Malik Henry (Florida State Verbal)

[Irish8248]

JC also had three years of experience in which his soph year wasn't too shabby. Scouts seemed "comfortable" with his 3 years of work whereas EG had a good first year but it was spotty at times and they will likely want to see how he does next year to determine his growth. I would be more shocked if EG left after this year than I was for Niklas leaving early

 

[IrishLax]

There are a number of scenarios where Golson leaves:
1. He has a Heisman-esque season and decides to jump as his stock won't go any higher. He is no worse a prospect than Russell Wilson in terms of NFL upside... so he'd probably be a mid-round selection with a stellar season.
2. He has a horrible season and gets passed up by Zaire. He might head somewhere else to play his last season.
3. He doesn't have choice as something goes wrong off the field.

None of those are probable, but the scenario where he stays... ND wins 8-10 games with him playing pretty good... isn't a 100% lock.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Golson isn't leaving early for the NFL! Sorry but if we are truly being honest with ourselves then we as a whole would realize that Golson hasn't yet been good let alone great.

Golson has had a handful of flashes but other than that he's been average at best.

Hopefully that will change this season but for him to leave early he would need to have a season for the ages.

Last go around and what we saw in the spring from Golson was more or the same that he can't throw a receiver open.

Tommy had an excuse of lack of physical ability but Golson consistently missed open seam routes and couldn't make the pass to receivers on timing plays he need to see them open and by then it's to late.

All to often his strong arm was negated when going for long vertical passes because his timing was off because instead of putting it to the spot he was suppose to lead the WR to and let him break on it he would hold onto it to long looking for separation and it turned into a jump-ball situation.

The point is he's not leaving early. Even if he's awesome this season he doesn't have enough history for them to trust what they saw for only 1 season especially when he doesn't have prototype size and other measurables.

100% agree. Golson is not pro material. MAYmake for a good college QB but doesnt have it for pro IMHO. Our biggest exposure is Malik getting pissed sitting too long in backup duty and jumping ship.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

It is awesome the fact that Dayne Crist, being a five star from LA, went to Notre Dame despite that Clausen would been the starter the time he wanted.

I am a big Henry fan, maybe he has not the upside of Eason or Pass but is the type of QB, ala Barkley, who can start from day one. His game is very advanced for a guy of his age, plays with a lot of poise and is very intelligent.

I do not care about Golson or Zaire as a competition for him, his biggest rival will be Kizer. If Kizer has the chance to play and plays well, he will see the field. If not, Henry will start almost from the beginning of his career.

 

[IrishLax]

100% agree. Golson is not pro material. MAYmake for a good college QB but doesnt have it for pro IMHO. Our biggest exposure is Malik getting pissed sitting too long in backup duty and jumping ship.

How on earth can you or anyone say he is not pro material when he has a pro arm? Accuracy? Have only seen one season for him. Mental? Again, only seen one season. His size? See, Russell Wilson.

This isn't Tommy Rees where he has actual insurmountable flaws in his tools that would prevent him from being a pro. If Golson puts together a 70.0/4000/30/5 season you better believe he'd be a mid-round pick with his physical tools.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

How on earth can you or anyone say he is not pro material when he has a pro arm? Accuracy? Have only seen one season for him. Mental? Again, only seen one season. His size? See, Russell Wilson.

This isn't Tommy Rees where he has actual insurmountable flaws in his tools that would prevent him from being a pro. If Golson puts together a 70.0/4000/30/5 season you better believe he'd be a mid-round pick with his physical tools.

Russell Wilson put up the best numbers of any QB in the NCAA his last year and still fell to the 3rd round. If Golson manages to put up anywhere near that kind of season we should be NC contenders. Not saying it's impossible (he does have an NFL arm), but the task is ALMOST insurmountable for a 5'10 QB.

 

[dad4aa]

Am I in the Golson or Henry thread?

 

[IrishLax]

Russell Wilson put up the best numbers of any QB in the NCAA his last year and still fell to the 3rd round. If Golson manages to put up anywhere near that kind of season we should be NC contenders. Not saying it's impossible (he does have an NFL arm), but the task is ALMOST insurmountable for a 5'10 QB.

Golson is not 5'10". I also don't think Wilson put up better numbers than RGIII/Luck that year... but I'd have to look that up.

You're basically saying what I'm saying. IF Golson has an epic year, then he'd be a mid-round pick. I have a post somewhere on this site from years ago basically saying I don't consider Golson a serious NFL prospect (i.e. first round potential) because of his limitations, and view him similar to Wilson.

The point is simply that IF Golson has a big year then his draft stock will be at a high with little opportunity for him to improve it... and in that scenario, it's very conceivable he leaves.

 

[pkt77242]

Golson is not 5'10". I also don't think Wilson put up better numbers than RGIII/Luck that year... but I'd have to look that up.

You're basically saying what I'm saying. IF Golson has an epic year, then he'd be a mid-round pick. I have a post somewhere on this site from years ago basically saying I don't consider Golson a serious NFL prospect (i.e. first round potential) because of his limitations, and view him similar to Wilson.

The point is simply that IF Golson has a big year then his draft stock will be at a high with little opportunity for him to improve it... and in that scenario, it's very conceivable he leaves.

RG3 and Wilson had similar stats, with Luck just a little bit worse.
Russell Wilson Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Andrew Luck Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Robert Griffin III Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

 

[IRISHMAN]

According to reliable poster on II (sloth) who seems to have a contact with Henry, he now says he was told Henry is a strong lean to ND as of now.

with ND not bringing in a QB this year him leaning our way would be huge. but right now it's waaaay to early for me to get excited about this.

 

[drake29]

RG3 and Wilson had similar stats, with Luck just a little bit worse.
Russell Wilson Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Andrew Luck Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Robert Griffin III Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Russell Wilson also had an awesome season at NC State before playing at Wisconsin. Golson has a season of mediocrity under his belt to go along with a year suspension. I think people need to temper their Golson expectations.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Although I'm glad that ND is in that top 4, I kinda was looking forward to seeing the meltdown. I'll just wait another week or two for the next one.

Well look at that. I was pretty accurate. Turns out that I should not have been looking forward to this meltdown.

 

[STLDomer]

Malik Henry Is The Nation's Top-Ranked QB In 2016

 

[STLDomer]

In a different VIP article, Henry gave a description of the schools he feels he will commit to:

“Just when I walked in the office, it just felt like home,” he said. “All the coaches were coming up to me and shaking my hand. Even the defensive coaches. It wasn’t just the offensive coaches. I had the line coach come up to me, all the coaches, it just felt like a family there. They have a beautiful campus.The academics are very good, and they produce quarterbacks, and the quarterbacks coach, he really knows what he’s talking about and knows what he’s doing.”

One one hand, FSU is not "very good" academically like ND while on the other hand ND doesn't produce QBs like FSU.

 

[GBdomer]

In his interview his dad says he has a good idea where he is going. Sloth has been saying he is talking with a source with his dad who says ND is the leader. So who knows, but his only visit to ND schedule and wants to decide soon has to be a good thing right?

 

[NDdomer2]

someone help me out: What QB's has Jimbo put in the NFL? Just Manuel? Who was recruited by Bowden, correct?

 

[GBdomer]

someone help me out: What QB's has Jimbo put in the NFL? Just Manuel? Who was recruited by Bowden, correct?

Christian Ponder
Jamarcus Russell
EJ Manuel
Jameis Winston(soon)

 

[ACamp1900]

Christian Ponder, Jamarcus Russell, EJ Manuel, Jameis Winston >> Tommy Rees????

Debatable.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Tommy went to the NFL.......for a week.

 

[IrishLax]

Quote definitely points more to ND than FSU. ND, historically, has been the cradle of QBs and the last two before the Tommy era were a 1st and 2nd round draft pick.

And LaFleur has that NFL pedigree. I'm optimistic.

 

[NDdomer2]

Christian Ponder
Jamarcus Russell
EJ Manuel
Jameis Winston(soon)

Christian Ponder, Jamarcus Russell, EJ Manuel, Jameis Winston >> Tommy Rees????

Debatable.

thanks fellas, I was really struggling to come up with someone past EJ. Yeah, he has a solid track record. i mean russell was a damn fool but those are some real real nice college qbs.

 

[Luckylucci]

Quote definitely points more to ND than FSU. ND, historically, has been the cradle of QBs and the last two before the Tommy era were a 1st and 2nd round draft pick.

And LaFleur has that NFL pedigree. I'm optimistic.

I agree. Based on that last part where he says the QB coach knows what he's doing I believe he's referring to Coach LaFleur.

 

[Ironman8]

Wiltfong CB'ed to FSU.

 

[gkIrish]

Quote definitely points more to ND than FSU. ND, historically, has been the cradle of QBs and the last two before the Tommy era were a 1st and 2nd round draft pick.

And LaFleur has that NFL pedigree. I'm optimistic.

Montana, Theismann, Mirer, Quinn, Clausen, Beuerlein, Huarte, Hanratty (who?), Lamonica were all either drafted high or had successful careers. Probably missing some more.

 

[STLDomer]

His unofficial visit to FSU will likely be for the ND game.

 

[ThePiombino]

In a different VIP article, Henry gave a description of the schools he feels he will commit to:

One one hand, FSU is not "very good" academically like ND while on the other hand ND doesn't produce QBs like FSU.

I'll set camp over here by "cautiously optimistic" lol

Wiltfong CB'ed to FSU.

Then this happened. I has a sad

 

[IrishLax]

Wiltfong CB'ed to FSU.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[IrishLax]

His OV to FSU will likely be for the ND game.

Can't OV yet?

 

[STLDomer]

Interesting their seems to be some optimism from all the pay sites except 247 for ND while there is pretty much none on 247. Even Loy has sided with his sources within the FSU program over his sources at ND.

 

[STLDomer]

Can't OV yet?

Sorry I meant visit. Just used to saying OV for games I suppose.