Johnny Football

[Booslum31]

JF, I believe

I'm getting there but I want to see more. When he first got in they ran that option play...he got a full dose of the speed of the NFL game as the defense closed on him very quickly. He made some good plays...but it was against the lions. Looks like they might start him next game against the Skins. Can't wait.

 

[Irish Insanity]

From watching the sideline footage and listening to some of the interviews, it seems as if he's earning a lot of respect from the other players.

This. I've heard interview where they say even the veterans on the team are supporting him now.

 

[johnnycando]

As much of a douche bag he is, as much as I've talked shit about him... I think I'm starting to like the kid. Everyone is against him, but at the end of the day, the kid can play. I dont even like the browns, but im gonna buy a manziel jersey. lol i mean Johnny Fuckin Football

Wow.

 

[ulukinatme]

This is my hope for Johnny Douchebag:

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This was strangely gratifying.

 

[GATTACA!]

This is my hope for Johnny Douchebag:

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Soooo you want him to be subjected to serious bodily harm because you think he's a douchebag? He likes to party in the offseason, he is 21 and super rich what do you honestly expect? He takes pictures with smoking hot chicks, if you had a shot in hell with any of them wouldn't you do the same? Just listen to every press conference he has had with the Browns, he sounds very poised and team oriented. Maybe it's a facade but he certainly is saying all the right things. By all accounts he has learned his playbook and is gaining the respect of the veterans on the team. Has he had a DUI i missed? Has he failed a drug test? Did he drag his girlfriends limp body out of an elevator? There are many other douchebags you all can be concerning yourselves over.

The hate around here for JFF is just unreal. Hoping for someone to get their head taken off because you think they are too flashy is fucked up IMO.

 

[IndyIrishFan1]

Soooo you want him to be subjected to serious bodily harm because you think he's a douchebag? He likes to party in the offseason, he is 21 and super rich what do you honestly expect? He takes pictures with smoking hot chicks, if you had a shot in hell with any of them wouldn't you do the same? Just listen to every press conference he has had with the Browns, he sounds very poised and team oriented. Maybe it's a facade but he certainly is saying all the right things. By all accounts he has learned his playbook and is gaining the respect of the veterans on the team. Has he had a DUI i missed? Has he failed a drug test? Did he drag his girlfriends limp body out of an elevator? There are many other douchebags you all can be concerning yourselves over.

The hate around here for JFF is just unreal. Hoping for someone to get their head taken off because you think they are too flashy is fucked up IMO.

I couldn't have said it better myself. When he was first drafted I kept saying, "I can't wait until someone lays him out during one of those scramble plays." I don't know what changed, but I'm enjoying the Kool-aid now, and I hope he does well.

Put it this way, I was at a bar Friday night having drinks with friends and the Browns vs Lions snoozefest was on. As soon as JFF came into the game my attention did not turn away from that TV when he was on the field. He gets eyeballs.

 

[koonja]

Soooo you want him to be subjected to serious bodily harm because you think he's a douchebag? He likes to party in the offseason, he is 21 and super rich what do you honestly expect? He takes pictures with smoking hot chicks, if you had a shot in hell with any of them wouldn't you do the same? Just listen to every press conference he has had with the Browns, he sounds very poised and team oriented. Maybe it's a facade but he certainly is saying all the right things. By all accounts he has learned his playbook and is gaining the respect of the veterans on the team. Has he had a DUI i missed? Has he failed a drug test? Did he drag his girlfriends limp body out of an elevator? There are many other douchebags you all can be concerning yourselves over.

The hate around here for JFF is just unreal. Hoping for someone to get their head taken off because you think they are too flashy is fucked up IMO.

Agree with what you say, but here's my prediction of the bolded:

JFF was always known as the guy who gave it his all on gamedays, but so-so during the practice week. At least those are the rumors. It's almost a broken record when he gets in front of the camera nowadays 'I just want to win, I want to help my team get better, I want to push myself and my teammates and I'll give it my 110% out there'.

But you can't get away with being a NFL QB and leader if that's only a gameday thing, and not 5 days a week like the QB greats. JFF will be the flavor of the month, probably even the flavor of the year. And he's going into 'extra focus' mode because it's his first year and because he already had to apologize for coming off of an action packed summer, for lack of better words. But it's only temporary. Wait until he shows his real, selfish, 'I'm bigger than -fill in the blank - attitude. It might take half of the season or the entire year, but I'm not buying stock yet.

He's smart and doing and saying what he has to do, but once he gets comfortable, the party all day, miss Manning camp, 'days like today are why I can't wait to leave College Station' JFF will really come out.

 

[IrishLion]

I was impressed by his preseason debut. I don't know if it will be right away, halfway through the season, or at the end of the year, but whenever Manziel takes over QB duties for the Browns, I think he'll be legit. As a Bengals fan, I'm not looking forward to watching him scramble around and buying himself time to make a big play, and I'm also not looking forward to seeing the Steelers with a new, solid young core of players.

The AFC North is going to be super fun to watch.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This thread is fun to read.

By the by, what happened to those fans of Max McGee and Bobby Layne?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Soooo you want him to be subjected to serious bodily harm because you think he's a douchebag? He likes to party in the offseason, he is 21 and super rich what do you honestly expect? He takes pictures with smoking hot chicks, if you had a shot in hell with any of them wouldn't you do the same? Just listen to every press conference he has had with the Browns, he sounds very poised and team oriented. Maybe it's a facade but he certainly is saying all the right things. By all accounts he has learned his playbook and is gaining the respect of the veterans on the team. Has he had a DUI i missed? Has he failed a drug test? Did he drag his girlfriends limp body out of an elevator? There are many other douchebags you all can be concerning yourselves over.

The hate around here for JFF is just unreal. Hoping for someone to get their head taken off because you think they are too flashy is fucked up IMO.

I will tell you why I really don't like JFF.

Across the past few years. there have been many players that have had immense talent and wild success in CFB, which have led to large contracts in the NFL at a young age. Some have panned out, some of have not. Some act like asshats, some do not. For me, I would much rather my QB have the attitude of Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. I like to root for the guys that understand they are really good and don't have to draw attention to themselves on and off the field. Maybe that is why I fell in love with ND in the first place instead of a FSU or Miami.

I understand when you and others say "he is 21 and is just having fun" and "wouldn't you do the same thing?". I will not shy away from the fact that I had probably too much fun when I was 21 and 22 years old. But I didn't have any responsibilities at that point in time. No one cared about what I did nor did anyone pay a price when I messed up. When that changed, my actions changed. I also understand people who say the only thing that matters is what happens on the field and you cannot argue with his success. While that is certainly true up to this point, there have not been many QB's over the years that led that lifestyle and kept up the success across their career.

In the end, I hope he changes and if he does, perhaps I can root for him. For now, I will stick it out rooting for Hoyer. If/when JFF becomes a starter, I will be rooting for the Browns, not JFF.

 

[ulukinatme]

I will tell you why I really don't like JFF.

Across the past few years. there have been many players that have had immense talent and wild success in CFB, which have led to large contracts in the NFL at a young age. Some have panned out, some of have not. Some act like asshats, some do not. For me, I would much rather my QB have the attitude of Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. I like to root for the guys that understand they are really good and don't have to draw attention to themselves on and off the field. Maybe that is why I fell in love with ND in the first place instead of a FSU or Miami.

Aaron says hi

(I realize this isn't the kind of attention you were talking about, I'm just kidding with the photobomb pics)

I understand when you and others say "he is 21 and is just having fun" and "wouldn't you do the same thing?". I will not shy away from the fact that I had probably too much fun when I was 21 and 22 years old. But I didn't have any responsibilities at that point in time. No one cared about what I did nor did anyone pay a price when I messed up. When that changed, my actions changed. I also understand people who say the only thing that matters is what happens on the field and you cannot argue with his success. While that is certainly true up to this point, there have not been many QB's over the years that led that lifestyle and kept up the success across their career.

In the end, I hope he changes and if he does, perhaps and I can root for him. For now, I will stick it out rooting for Hoyer. If/when JFF becomes a starter, I will be rooting for the Browns, not JFF.

I agree with you. I realize JFF is 21, but that shouldn't give an NFL player free reign to party and play up to the tabloids and media. There's no reason he can't party, but he doesn't need to be putting himself in stupid situations that will get him photographed or video taped. Snorting coke in a public bathroom? Sure, just let me make sure no one has a camera ready. That kind of behavior shouldn't be glorified, not when kids look up to you as a player. Do whatever you want in privacy, don't flaunt it and seek the attention, it just looks bad.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I have a shoestring relative that played with Bobby Layne. JF hasn't invented any of this such. I remember hearing as a youngster how many times Layne had to be pointed the right direction on the field.

A coach once asked if a series of bad plays were related to a hangover after a bad performance. Another teammate snorted and stated that plans fell through the night before, and this was his first sober performance in years.

Sometimes in the huddle his speech was so slurred that players had a hard time understanding his calls. That led to some unique plays that really confused defenses.

This has been the state of pro sports since before Babe Ruth. Some of the biggest stars were macro-lushes, womanizers, and otherwise grabastic, sons of bitches. The difference is, in the old days their private actions weren't as transparent.

 

[kmoose]

Soooo you want him to be subjected to serious bodily harm because you think he's a douchebag?

There was no "serious bodily harm" involved in that hit. He came back into the game, later in the same drive. I'd like to see him get lit up because he IS a douchebag, not because I THINK he's a douchebag.

He likes to party in the offseason, he is 21 and super rich what do you honestly expect? He takes pictures with smoking hot chicks, if you had a shot in hell with any of them wouldn't you do the same?

I don't have any problem with his partying.

Just listen to every press conference he has had with the Browns, he sounds very poised and team oriented. Maybe it's a facade but he certainly is saying all the right things. By all accounts he has learned his playbook and is gaining the respect of the veterans on the team.

I will say this....... he has said all of the right things. Michael Vick's teammates all said great things about him, too.

Has he had a DUI i missed? Has he failed a drug test? Did he drag his girlfriends limp body out of an elevator? There are many other douchebags you all can be concerning yourselves over.

Why would I complain about Josh Gordon, or any of a number of other NFL douchebags, in the Johnny Football thread? I didn't start some kind of campaign to blackball Manziel or anything. I simply offered my opinion of him, in a thread dedicated to discussing him.

The hate around here for JFF is just unreal. Hoping for someone to get their head taken off because you think they are too flashy is fucked up IMO.

That's your right. But don't project the arguments that you hear from other people on me. My dislike of Johnny Douchebag is not about him being flashy; it's about him flaunting his special treatment and socio-economic advantages, seemingly every chance he gets. I think he would do well, to learn some humility.

 

[GATTACA!]

There was no "serious bodily harm" involved in that hit. He came back into the game, later in the same drive. I'd like to see him get lit up because he IS a douchebag, not because I THINK he's a douchebag.

But that is clearly what your suggesting by posting that clip, if not you might as well have posted a clip of a nice form tackle.

I don't have any problem with his partying.

Ill come back to this one.

I will say this....... he has said all of the right things. Michael Vick's teammates all said great things about him, too.

Well i didnt say that Johnny's teammates are saying the right things about him so that analogy doesn't really make sense. But in any case a player or teammates saying the right things, weather you believe it or not, is better then teammates or Johnny saying the wrong things. Thats really the only thing you can ask for at this point.

Why would I complain about Josh Gordon, or any of a number of other NFL douchebags, in the Johnny Football thread? I didn't start some kind of campaign to blackball Manziel or anything. I simply offered my opinion of him, in a thread dedicated to discussing him.

Im saying that there are many other players that are much more deserving of your hatred than Johnny. Also my point was that there is no real reason for you to hate Manziel when you compare him to other players in the league.

That's your right. But don't project the arguments that you hear from other people on me. My dislike of Johnny Douchebag is not about him being flashy; it's about him flaunting his special treatment and socio-economic advantages, seemingly every chance he gets. I think he would do well, to learn some humility.

So you do dislike him because of the partying? The only flaunting of his wealth i can think of is the money phone. Thats a direct product of the partying and drinking. If that little bit of flaunting his wealth makes you brand him a douchebag then i cant imagine the list of pro athletes you must dislike. My point was never that you shouldn't not like Manziel, just that your wish of him getting hurt was over the line. I would love to hear a better description of the flaunting of his special treatment and socio-economic advantages, seemingly every chance he gets, so i could better respond to this post.

 

[kmoose]

But that is clearly what your suggesting by posting that clip, if not you might as well have posted a clip of a nice form tackle.



Ill come back to this one.



Well i didnt say that Johnny's teammates are saying the right things about him so that analogy doesn't really make sense. But in any case a player or teammates saying the right things, weather you believe it or not, is better then teammates or Johnny saying the wrong things. Thats really the only thing you can ask for at this point.



Im saying that there are many other players that are much more deserving of your hatred than Johnny. Also my point was that there is no real reason for you to hate Manziel when you compare him to other players in the league.



So you do dislike him because of the partying? The only flaunting of his wealth i can think of is the money phone. Thats a direct product of the partying and drinking. If that little bit of flaunting his wealth makes you brand him a douchebag then i cant imagine the list of pro athletes you must dislike. My point was never that you shouldn't not like Manziel, just that your wish of him getting hurt was over the line. I would love to hear a better description of the flaunting of his special treatment and socio-economic advantages, seemingly every chance he gets, so i could better respond to this post.

You're a Cleveland guy, I am not going to try to change your mind about Johnny Douchebag. But neither will you change mine. I will say, though, that my biggest problem with his flaunting is that faggotty "money" thing he does, with both hands. He never did that until AFTER he got away with being paid for autographs.

 

[Booslum31]

You're a Cleveland guy, I am not going to try to change your mind about Johnny Douchebag. But neither will you change mine. I will say, though, that my biggest problem with his flaunting is that faggotty "money" thing he does, with both hands. He never did that until AFTER he got away with being paid for autographs.

I'm a Cleveland guy too. But I absolutely hate that thing he does with his fingers...kind of makes me want to slap him. I hope somebody that he knows, looks, up to, or respects tells him to stop that. Down right distastful.

 

[IrishLion]

You're a Cleveland guy, I am not going to try to change your mind about Johnny Douchebag. But neither will you change mine. I will say, though, that my biggest problem with his flaunting is that faggotty "money" thing he does, with both hands. He never did that until AFTER he got away with being paid for autographs.

The bolded isn't true. He was doing it before he signed autographs for money... he was just tone-deaf to keep doing it AFTER the autograph thing.

 

[TDHeysus]

There was no "serious bodily harm" involved in that hit. He came back into the game, later in the same drive. I'd like to see him get lit up because he IS a douchebag, not because I THINK he's a douchebag.

^^this

no one wants to see anyone get hurt, but there is nothing wrong with some delta-bravo getting ROCKED from time to time. JFF will either learn to stay in the pocket, or will learn to pay the price for running away from blocks.

 

[Booslum31]

^^this

no one wants to see anyone get hurt, but there is nothing wrong with some delta-bravo getting ROCKED from time to time. JFF will either learn to stay in the pocket, or will learn to pay the price for running away from blocks.

The problem is that it's not like "lighting him up" will knock some sense into him. How many times have you seen a douche-bag get the shit kicked out him for being a douche-bag? Each time they get back up...they are still douche-bags. Sometimes they become even worse douche-bags after the beating. I just think that it's kind of theraputic for the guy delivering the blows. Like he is doing his duty by laying a big hit on the douche-bag in the hopes of knocking some sense into them.

FWIW...I don't condone intentionally hurting someone. But I sure do love a good clean hit. Love it!

 

[IrishLion]

How many times have you seen a douche-bag get the shit kicked out him for being a douche-bag? Each time they get back up...they are still douche-bags. Sometimes they become even worse douche-bags after the beating. I just think that it's kind of theraputic for the guy delivering the blows. Like he is doing his duty by laying a big hit on the douche-bag in the hopes of knocking some sense into them.

You've gotta be talking about Cortland Finnegan.

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[IrishJayhawk]

Johnny Manziel Forced To Wear Cleveland Browns Jersey In Cruel Rookie Hazing Incident | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[kmoose]

The bolded isn't true. He was doing it before he signed autographs for money... he was just tone-deaf to keep doing it AFTER the autograph thing.

I'm pretty sure the bolded IS true. I watch a lot of college football, not just ND. I was well aware of who Johnny Douchebag was, long before the autograph incident, and I never once saw him do this, prior to getting away with signing autographs for money.

 

[Booslum31]

Johnny Manziel Forced To Wear Cleveland Browns Jersey In Cruel Rookie Hazing Incident | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Nicely played Jayhawk!

 

[IrishLion]

I'm pretty sure the bolded IS true. I watch a lot of college football, not just ND. I was well aware of who Johnny Douchebag was, long before the autograph incident, and I never once saw him do this, prior to getting away with signing autographs for money.

When did he get in trouble for signing autographs? During the offseason?

 

[ACamp1900]

Johnny Manziel Forced To Wear Cleveland Browns Jersey In Cruel Rookie Hazing Incident | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Awesome, haha

 

[irishfan]

I liked JFF from the start (actually told buddies he was gonna win Heisman after he played 3 games in 2012....I also picked Jameis in our IE Heisman pick thread last summer but I digress), but thought that he was a bit overrated his frosh year due to the SEC coaches not knowing how to scheme against him and Sumlin. I really gained respect for him as a player after that Bama loss last year. If Saban can't stop you after a whole off-season of prep then you're pretty fuckin legit.

Kid thinks he's the best player every time he steps on the field and his teammates have always seemed to like him and play hard for him. Two amazing qualities for a QB. As long as he doesn't commit any real crimes, I don't think any fans should care what the hell he does off the field.

And the Browns should just start him Day 1. The Pats cut Hoyer in favor of Mallett who is AWFUL. I just don't think there is any point in playing Hoyer. Browns have a solid team, but they're not great. They need good QB play to make some noise this year, and I just don't see Hoyer being anything other than average at best.

 

[kmoose]

By the way, GATTACA..........

This is my hope for Johnny Douchebag:

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I'm not serious, of course, as Bradshaw actually suffered a pretty serious injury on this play. Although it was probably not considered all that serious, back then, as they were not as aware of spinal and head injuries back then.

But it's a great example of how dirty the Browns were, back then. This hit took place AFTER the whistle.

 

[BobD]

They've shown this picture of Johnny Manziel on ESPN quite a bit this week during the Little League World Series.

Does he look like the kid who played young Forrest Gump or what?

 

[Booslum31]

They've shown this picture of Johnny Manziel on ESPN quite a bit this week during the Little League World Series.

Does he look like the kid who played young Forrest Gump or what?

That is perfect! Run Forest Run!!

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think the Browns HC kinda stepped in it early on when he almost guaranteed that Hoyer would start. And maybe he should. I don't know as I haven't been there to see the practices, etc. I do think that if it is Hoyer, he will be such a short string that JFF will get his chance sooner rather than later. Then his own play can decide his future. Personally, with JFF's style of play, I would be shocked if he lasted two games without having some sort of major injury. I hope not but this is the NFL now where every player on the field can ball. And you gotta think he will be a target for those players who feel he hasn't paid his dues yet but gets all the media attention.