ND Scheduled Georgia (Ironman leaving the Country during 2019)

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I can understand people who like this because they think it will put us in a better position to make the playoffs. I don't agree at all with that logic but at least we have the same fundamental goal.

I will never ever understand the large minority of people that want to see us play the best teams possible...national titles be damned. If you go back through this thread or Buster's optimal scheduling model thread you see that opinion a lot.
 

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ND could have a new coach as well if BK were to bolt for the League. Then what?

Your logic is, well, illogical.

Stanford, USC, Georgia, and TX are perennial power house programs. You can argue that teams will ebb and flow, but all 4 of those teams are on a positive trajectory and recruit really really well.

I understand that BK could be gone by the and if you ask me, I think he will be gone by then. But I'm not gonna sit here and worry about a schedule that is 5 years away, I'll start worrying about that schedule in 2019. We went from a 8-5 team to a 12-0 team in 1 year, just think about how much can change in 5 years.

Can all those teams still be good in 2019? Absolutely. But there is a decent chance that they won't be as good as they are today
 

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Seriously guys if you never read another post of mine please read post #316 in this thread, particularly the paragraph on Bama's scheduling.

Bama is a program who has figured it all out... how to get credit for playing a "difficult" schedule without actually playing a schedule that is difficult to navigate such that they have a high probability of going undefeated and even if they drop one of their few tough games they can potentially sneak into the playoffs. They only played three ranked teams the entire regular season last year, but you'd believe they were playing the biggest games and hardest teams every single week if you listened to ESPN.

We have a lot to learn and showcase a lot of ignorance in how we schedule.
 
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I see your points but I think both of us may be proceeding from a flawed understanding of the selection process. In your example of Alabama, I think that hurts them in the eyes of the selection committee, which is why they are scrambling to find someone decent to play in 2015. That right there tells me a lot about what is expected with regards to the playoff. DO you think if the committee has to choose between a 11-2 Alabama team who played 4 softballs and a 10-2 ND team that plays our 2015 schedule, they would not choose ND? I think everyone is tuck in the BCS still. There is no more BCS system here. Just the committee. Its gonna be tough for them to choose 4 teams. We have to give them a reason to choose us.

ND does not play a conference championship game so we are at a disadvantage there. How does ND combat that?
 

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I can understand people who like this because they think it will put us in a better position to make the playoffs. I don't agree at all with that logic but at least we have the same fundamental goal.

I will never ever understand the large minority of people that want to see us play the best teams possible...national titles be damned. If you go back through this thread or Buster's optimal scheduling model thread you see that opinion a lot.

What does this mean, exactly?

Are people arguing that all future scheduled opponents be Top 30-ish programs? Because I'm pretty sure virtually no one is making that claim.
 

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What does this mean, exactly?

Are people arguing that all future scheduled opponents be Top 30-ish programs? Because I'm pretty sure virtually no one is making that claim.

I am not going to go hunting for old posts…. But I have actually seen many a poster on this board claim over the years that they want to see ND in a 'big game' every week and have no interest in seeing ND/Idaho... even if it's only three or so games a year and significantly improves ND's chances to win titles...

So I get where gk is coming from.
 

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ND needs to set up a schedule with 2 pure cupcakes, 2 typical ND "cupcakes" (Navy, Purdue), 3 or 4 marquee games, and 3 or 4 50/50 games. You use the cupcakes and bye weeks to sandwich the marquee games and then pray to God that injuries and turnovers don't rear their ugly heads during a 50/50 game. This is exactly what Bama does. And it works.
 

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I see your points but I think both of us may be proceeding from a flawed understanding of the selection process. In your example of Alabama, I think that hurts them in the eyes of the selection committee, which is why they are scrambling to find someone decent to play in 2015. That right there tells me a lot about what is expected with regards to the playoff. DO you think if the committee has to choose between a 11-2 Alabama team who played 4 softballs and a 10-2 ND team that plays our 2015 schedule, they would not choose ND? I think everyone is tuck in the BCS still. There is no more BCS system here. Just the committee. Its gonna be tough for them to choose 4 teams. We have to give them a reason to choose us.

ND does not play a conference championship game so we are at a disadvantage there. How does ND combat that?

All I will say is that if you think a 10-2 ND teams is getting taken over an 11-2 Alabama team that won the SEC (or lost SEC championship?) I think you have way too much faith in how SOS will be objectively considered. In fact, the committee all but admitted recently they're going with 90% "eyeball test" and using metrics only as a tool to assist them in picking the four "best" teams instead of the four "most deserving."

Once you try to wrap your head around "best" vs. "most deserving"... this system is already more fucked than the BCS before it's even started. It's set up for ultimate subjectivity.
 

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Sounds like a bunch of pussies around here!

As a fan of the game, I want to see great games, exciting seasons and would love to see a national championship at the end if we deserve it. I dont give a fuck if everyone else schedules cupcakes, we are ND and we want to lead the pack.

Winning is not the main factor in gaining recruits as someone may argue, we should know that by Mr. Weis' examples. Many other factors come into play for recruits.

I love the move and look forward to the big games. Saturdays are much better when you know there is big game coming up, not cup cakes.

Great move by the Athletics Dept.
 

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I am not going to go hunting for old posts…. But I have actually seen many a poster on this board claim over the years that they want to see ND in a 'big game' every week and have no interest in seeing ND/Idaho... even if it's only three or so games a year and significantly improves ND's chances to win titles...

So I get where gk is coming from.

All I will say is that if you think a 10-2 ND teams is getting taken over an 11-2 Alabama team that won the SEC (or lost SEC championship?) I think you have way too much faith in how SOS will be objectively considered. In fact, the committee all but admitted recently they're going with 90% "eyeball test" and using metrics only as a tool to assist them in picking the four "best" teams instead of the four "most deserving."

Once you try to wrap your head around "best" vs. "most deserving"... this system is already more fucked than the BCS before it's even started. It's set up for ultimate subjectivity.

To be clear, are you guys advocating we play Sam Houston State and Maine, or Temple and Rice? I'm 100% all-in for "cupcake" games, as long as they're FBS cupcakes.
 
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All I will say is that if you think a 10-2 ND teams is getting taken over an 11-2 Alabama team that won the SEC (or lost SEC championship?) I think you have way too much faith in how SOS will be objectively considered. In fact, the committee all but admitted recently they're going with 90% "eyeball test" and using metrics only as a tool to assist them in picking the four "best" teams instead of the four "most deserving."

Once you try to wrap your head around "best" vs. "most deserving"... this system is already more fucked than the BCS before it's even started. It's set up for ultimate subjectivity.

If that is the case then I am extremely naive. I have to believe Jack and Kelly know what is going on behind the scenes and they are doing what they think is best. I have to think than ND will be competing for 1 spot amongst the ACC Champ, SEC Champ, Big 10 Champ, Big 12 Champ, and Pac 12 Champ. How do we get in above these guys? By beating them.

We are going to have to beat these assholes and do it convincingly.
 
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I am not going to go hunting for old posts…. But I have actually seen many a poster on this board claim over the years that they want to see ND in a 'big game' every week and have no interest in seeing ND/Idaho... even if it's only three or so games a year and significantly improves ND's chances to win titles...

So I get where gk is coming from.

Well it's an utterly ridiculous proposition and almost literally impossible to do that. It's not a legit argument at all.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Wow. “<a href="https://twitter.com/TodayNDHistory">@TodayNDHistory</a>: 2017 will mark Georgia's first trip north of the Mason-Dixon since 1965.”</p>— The Turning Point (@TheIrishTP) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheIrishTP/statuses/481896031798308864">June 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Sounds like a bunch of pussies around here!

As a fan of the game, I want to see great games, exciting seasons and would love to see a national championship at the end if we deserve it. I dont give a fuck if everyone else schedules cupcakes, we are ND and we want to lead the pack.

Winning is not the main factor in gaining recruits as someone may argue, we should know that by Mr. Weis' examples. Many other factors come into play for recruits.

I love the move and look forward to the big games. Saturdays are much better when you know there is big game coming up, not cup cakes.

Great move by the Athletics Dept.

True- we ARE ND, but we'll never lead the pack with a schedule like that so long as we continue to battle the recruiting hurdles we currently face.
 

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What does this mean, exactly?

Are people arguing that all future scheduled opponents be Top 30-ish programs? Because I'm pretty sure virtually no one is making that claim.

Sounds like a bunch of pussies around here!

As a fan of the game, I want to see great games, exciting seasons and would love to see a national championship at the end if we deserve it. I dont give a fuck if everyone else schedules cupcakes, we are ND and we want to lead the pack.

Winning is not the main factor in gaining recruits as someone may argue, we should know that by Mr. Weis' examples. Many other factors come into play for recruits.

I love the move and look forward to the big games. Saturdays are much better when you know there is big game coming up, not cup cakes.

Great move by the Athletics Dept.

Didn't have to look far
 

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Sounds like a bunch of pussies around here!

As a fan of the game, I want to see great games, exciting seasons and would love to see a national championship at the end if we deserve it. I dont give a fuck if everyone else schedules cupcakes, we are ND and we want to lead the pack.

I love the move and look forward to the big games. Saturdays are much better when you know there is big game coming up, not cup cakes.

I know that you'll have to take this on faith, but I am standing in front of my computer and applauding you right now.
 

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Thanks dshans...I take that as a great compliment!

Gk, I understand wanting to win and I am not advocating to play all top 10 opponents, however if we schedule correctly we can sandwich many of these big games with the likes of navy, pitt, maryland, syracuse, etc. Takes the grind out a little bit. Don't you agree?

I am excited to be a fan of a program that is willing to play anyone in the country, not many can say that.
 

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I just hope those that are so proud of ND's strong scheduling don't complain about the 8-4 records that continue to come as a result of it. It's ridiculous to play the schedules they play when you already face many disadvantages compared to other schools when trying to compete for championships.
 

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I just hope those that are so proud of ND's strong scheduling don't complain about the 8-4 records that continue to come as a result of it. It's ridiculous to play the schedules they play when you already face many disadvantages compared to other schools when trying to compete for championships.


12-0 wasnt too bad.... I expect many more great seasons with a quarterback able to drive the offense.
 

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To be clear, are you guys advocating we play Sam Houston State and Maine, or Temple and Rice? I'm 100% all-in for "cupcake" games, as long as they're FBS cupcakes.

Here's how I'd configure the "ideal schedule" given our parameters.

5 ACC means on "average" we play the equivalent to the "#2" ACC team each year as one of the 5 games. Sometimes more, sometimes less as it's impossible to project years out. But consider we on average probably have at least 1-2 marquee games here from the quality of opponent (FSU, Clemson, or whoever is up)... on top of good rivalries (BC, Miami, etc.) that will be intriguing because of the opponent regardless of talent.

Stanford. USC. Two borderline stone cold locks for difficult opponents/marquee games.

Navy. Mandatory. Gets you to 8.

From there, we should play one regional team (Purdue, MSU, Indiana, Northwestern, Cincinnati) to get to 9.

Then we should play a Shamrock Series game against a middle-tier (BYU, Vanderbilt are ideal... someone like TCU, Utah, Colorado, Washington, Cal also works... or Wisconsin or Nebraska if you really want to up the ante, but definitely not someone who is considered a national title contender) opponent somewhere good that impacts recruiting or visibility or brand presence. That's 10.

Add 1-2 more academies or Rice or any CUSA equivalent. That's 12.

This gives you:
-3 "easy" games against non-Power 5 opponents... standard operating procedure for every team but ND.
-Likely 3-4 very difficult opponents that will be "big games" in terms rankings.
-Your full ACC slate incorporated, which gives you a lot of east coast and southern exposure for recruiting.
-1 regional game for minimal travel and a good-not-super-great opponent in what will be an intriguing game or home-and-home. Also helps maintain the Midwestern roots for recruiting.
-1 hyped game against a beatable opponent anywhere in the world that you want to put it for Shamrock Series.

The schedule will feature USC or Stanford at the middle or end depending on year... so you know that, and you sandwich byes or cupcakes around those two games as possible for starters. You open the year with a cupcake followed by your "regional" game.

Hard enough, manageable enough, and exciting enough. What it lacks in "WOOO BRING IT ON OKLAHOMA!!! COME AT ME BULLDOGS!! WE'LL PLAY ANYONE" it makes up for an expected win total of probably +2 a year.
 

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I see conference tie-ins to big money cable/satellite TV contracts as a pox on college football. There need to be more independents who are free to schedule games as they see fit. There was much more fluidity and excitement "back in the day."

USC, Miami, Navy, etc. have been our doormat or bugaboo over the years. The drive to generate rating points and captive subscriber viewers over competition and tradition have soured things quite a bit.

I hope like hell I'm dead before there's a pay-per-view Irish Football Channel.
 

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Here's how I'd configure the "ideal schedule" given our parameters.

5 ACC means on "average" we play the equivalent to the "#2" ACC team each year as one of the 5 games. Sometimes more, sometimes less as it's impossible to project years out. But consider we on average probably have at least 1-2 marquee games here from the quality of opponent (FSU, Clemson, or whoever is up)... on top of good rivalries (BC, Miami, etc.) that will be intriguing because of the opponent regardless of talent.

Stanford. USC. Two borderline stone cold locks for difficult opponents/marquee games.

Navy. Mandatory. Gets you to 8.

From there, we should play one regional team (Purdue, MSU, Indiana, Northwestern, Cincinnati) to get to 9.

Then we should play a Shamrock Series game against a middle-tier (BYU, Vanderbilt are ideal... someone like TCU, Utah, Colorado, Washington, Cal also works... or Wisconsin or Nebraska if you really want to up the ante, but definitely not someone who is considered a national title contender) opponent somewhere good that impacts recruiting or visibility or brand presence. That's 10.

Add 1-2 more academies or Rice or any CUSA equivalent. That's 12.

This gives you:
-3 "easy" games against non-Power 5 opponents... standard operating procedure for every team but ND.
-Likely 3-4 very difficult opponents that will be "big games" in terms rankings.
-Your full ACC slate incorporated, which gives you a lot of east coast and southern exposure for recruiting.
-1 regional game for minimal travel and a good-not-super-great opponent in what will be an intriguing game or home-and-home. Also helps maintain the Midwestern roots for recruiting.
-1 hyped game against a beatable opponent anywhere in the world that you want to put it for Shamrock Series.

The schedule will feature USC or Stanford at the middle or end depending on year... so you know that, and you sandwich byes or cupcakes around those two games as possible for starters. You open the year with a cupcake followed by your "regional" game.

Hard enough, manageable enough, and exciting enough. What it lacks in "WOOO BRING IT ON OKLAHOMA!!! COME AT ME BULLDOGS!! WE'LL PLAY ANYONE" it makes up for an expected win total of probably +2 a year.

Doesn't hit the recruiting hot beds in the south. That is where we are trying to focus many efforts in the future. I would think the shamrock series should be a major game in a major venue, not purdue in Indy. haha Projecting schedule strength for the future that includes the acc is virtually impossible. Let's face it, the ACC is weak, the weakest of the 5 big guys. So we have to make sure we are playing big guys in case we get hit with with an ACC schedule of maryland, syracuse, BC, Duke and georgia tech, etc....

just my opinion.
 

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Once you try to wrap your head around "best" vs. "most deserving"... this system is already more fucked than the BCS before it's even started. It's set up for ultimate profitability.

FTFY. Which probably helps us, to be honest. When you're looking at the bottom line, nobody attracts eyeballs better than the Irish.
 

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Doesn't hit the recruiting hot beds in the south. That is where we are trying to focus many efforts in the future.

That's patently false.

1. Notre Dame isn't going to pull a significant amount of kids from the "deep" south (Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi) even if they played all of their away games in Birmingham. We never have pulled from those areas, and we never will.
2. The southern states that it does matter for us to hit are part of the ACC footprint. Georgia Tech gets us into Atlanta just as well as the University of Georgia gets us into the state, if not better. FSU/Miami are in Florida, which is the most important southern state to play in by far. NC State, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson get us into the Carolinas, which we also recruit heavily. The when it comes to playing in southern states, the ACC covers the exact same footprint as the SEC minus the deep south states that we aren't going to pull from with any regularity anyways.
3. The Shamrock Series can be used to get into any state we want for a game. It can get us into Texas vs. any school we want. It can get us into Florida to play whoever we want. No matter what, that traveling home game = access to any market we deem fit... rendering any singular home-and-home for "access" or "exposure" completely moot.
 
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