GoldenToTheGrave
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When I said 8-4 I was being generous. Finishing second and third in your division is nothing to beat your chest about however. This year he could finish fourth or worse in the West. That's not getting it done in my book.
I don't think they're going to be contenders for the foreseeable future, considering they went 8-4 with Manziel, but they should be pretty damn good. JFF has given them a lot of recruiting momentum (Texas' issues have also been a godsend), and the luster hasn't yet worn off. Still, it should be tough for them without Manziel for a while.