'11 GA DE Stephon Tuitt (Signed Notre Dame LOI)

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Tuitt tweet: 2014=7=completion. This is a year for change and opportunities. A year of completeness and evil spirits behind you. Happy New Years!!!
 
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Knew it a month.ago. :)


I really thought he would come back until about a month ago. He gone..

No big deal. Jarron and springman will be just as big and a lot faster.

I wonder if we finally see hounshell on the field?

All is good!
 
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Do Sampson and Frank base their feelings that he'll go on anything in particular?
 
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cody1smith said:
Wow I totally forgot about martin. I agree though he should be drafted in the first round.
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Dude, I was racking my brain when I read it and refused to scroll down until I could figure it out. That lasted all of 10 seconds because I had no clue lol.

Shame on me. Especially because a couple of months ago in a thread people were saying that Nix and Tuitt would be bigger losses, and I was saying just how important LT is and how incredible our LT is.

Lax...film says absolutely he's a first rounder. Measurables will say differently, mostly bc he is not the prototypical height and he doesn't have the super long arms pro people want in their tackles. It will be interesting to see which one wins out...
 
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NDinL.A. said:
Dude, I was racking my brain when I read it and refused to scroll down until I could figure it out. That lasted all of 10 seconds because I had no clue lol.

Shame on me. Especially because a couple of months ago in a thread people were saying that Nix and Tuitt would be bigger losses, and I was saying just how important LT is and how incredible our LT is.

Lax...film says absolutely he's a first rounder. Measurables will say differently, mostly bc he is not the prototypical height and he doesn't have the super long arms pro people want in their tackles. It will be interesting to see which one wins out...
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The draft can be weird. Last year there was a huge run on O-Linemen in the first round, and the Cowboys ended up having to reach for someone that was supposed to go much later. The year before it was QBs. If a few OTs get picked up really early, Martin might jump into the first round, but I think he'll more likely slip to a later round based off his physical shortcomings. Still think he's a hell of a talent though.
 
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Tyson Jackson was a relative unknown heading into the draft, had a great workout, and ended up going 3rd overall.

Tuitt could easily crack the top 15 (or even higher) with a great workout. NFL teams are always reaching for DEs because it is such an important position.
 
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Things seem to be trending toward him leaving. I am happy for him, and we will be ok. I was really looking forward to a full season fully healthy. I still think we haven't seen his best. I also feel there is no way if he works hard to get ready that he gets out of the first round.
 
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IrishSteelhead said:
Tyson Jackson was a relative unknown heading into the draft, had a great workout, and ended up going 3rd overall.

Tuitt could easily crack the top 15 (or even higher) with a great workout. NFL teams are always reaching for DEs because it is such an important position.
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Lol it's probably best not bringing up Tyson Jackson in the same sentence as Stephon.

He's had a decent career so far you could say, but he's a bust considering he's grossly underachieved in correlation to his draft position.
 
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CanadalovesND said:
Lol it's probably best not bringing up Tyson Jackson in the same sentence as Stephon.

He's had a decent career so far you could say, but he's a bust considering he's grossly underachieved in correlation to his draft position.
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A lot of these guys improve their lot simply because they trained for the combine and put together stats much better than teams thought they would. Then teams draft them higher because of the combine rather than giving past performance on the field more weight.
 
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Mike Mamula also comes to mind as a guy who fleeced the NFL by having a huge combine.

*Tuitt is slotted to the Bears at 14 in a few mocks I saw.
 
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Sure hope the little guy decides to stick around, but I don't think it's happening.
 
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folks: better to have him than not; that's for sure. But imagine this--- a]. the "big white boys" [Springmann and Hounshell] get healthy, and b]. the new DC not only decides to go heavy 4-3, but sees certain "CATs" as 21st century DEs in that scheme. THEN ND rolls out a DLine with the following features

first set: Williams// Jones// Springmann// Day.

second set: Okwara// Hounshell// Hayes// Rochell.

....that seems to me to be awfully darned good.

It also would beg the question about some alternative thinking about the linebacker array; namely a true Middle with 21st century athletic speed studs on the sides. This might then actually get the three best athletes on the field ---

JSmith// Grace// Counsell.

One can then ask who would be the back-ups from the Deeb, Randolph, Moore, etc. pool, and that's a way-foggy vision, but I wouldn't mind seeing a slobberknocker like I hope Deeb is in the middle, with some real athleticism beside him [ including possibilities like Turner or Baratti.]

I prefer Stephon back, but if the white boys [including Grace] are healthy, we might [with a masterful insight by the new DC] be formidable anyway.


... OK; scratched that itch, now back to lurking......
 
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Old Man Mike said:
folks: better to have him than not; that's for sure. But imagine this--- a]. the "big white boys" [Springmann and Hounshell] get healthy, and b]. the new DC not only decides to go heavy 4-3, but sees certain "CATs" as 21st century DEs in that scheme. THEN ND rolls out a DLine with the following features

first set: Williams// Jones// Springmann// Day.

second set: Okwara// Hounshell// Hayes// Rochell.

....that seems to me to be awfully darned good.

It also would beg the question about some alternative thinking about the linebacker array; namely a true Middle with 21st century athletic speed studs on the sides. This might then actually get the three best athletes on the field ---

JSmith// Grace// Counsell.

One can then ask who would be the back-ups from the Deeb, Randolph, Moore, etc. pool, and that's a way-foggy vision, but I wouldn't mind seeing a slobberknocker like I hope Deeb is in the middle, with some real athleticism beside him [ including possibilities like Turner or Baratti.]

I prefer Stephon back, but if the white boys [including Grace] are healthy, we might [with a masterful insight by the new DC] be formidable anyway.


... OK; scratched that itch, now back to lurking......
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First, great see you posting. I hadn't seen you in a bit and had missed your commentary. I hope everything is okay.

Second. I am really not worried about him leaving or not. I believe he's gone based on some things I've heard, but either way, we'll be okay. The like that OMM has laid out is stout. I, however, think Kendall will be invited back for his 5th year and will have a KLM like break-out. He played well the second half of this season and if he loses 10 lbs of bad weight, he could be a monster. I think we'll line up with Jaylon, Morgan, Dougie, and Kendall next year by the time it's all said and done.

Side note: Randolph is at 247 lbs and 9% body fat. That's outstanding.
 
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GoIrish41 said:
I choose to live in denial about Tuitt leaving until I hear something official.
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I asked this yesterday and no one answered, but is there any particular reason why sentiment is trending heavily toward "he gone?" The general sense through December seemed to be 50-50, but since the bowl game more and more people seem to assume he's leaving.
Why? Is it just that he hasn't come out and said otherwise? Was it that second-round draft grade? Some other set of tea leaves? (because I haven't seen a tea leaf worth reading yet).
 
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stlnd01 said:
I asked this yesterday and no one answered, but is there any particular reason why sentiment is trending heavily toward "he gone?" The general sense through December seemed to be 50-50, but since the bowl game more and more people seem to assume he's leaving.
Why? Is it just that he hasn't come out and said otherwise? Was it that second-round draft grade? Some other set of tea leaves? (because I haven't seen a tea leaf worth reading yet).
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I think the biggest piece was that he submitted his paperwork for an evaluation.
 
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Irish#1 said:
I think the biggest piece was that he submitted his paperwork for an evaluation.
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But that happened weeks ago, and he got a second-round grade, according to Kelly, which (to an optimist) might suggest he'd be better off staying. Niklas also sought an evaluation but no one thinks he's leaving.
 
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stlnd01 said:
I asked this yesterday and no one answered, but is there any particular reason why sentiment is trending heavily toward "he gone?" The general sense through December seemed to be 50-50, but since the bowl game more and more people seem to assume he's leaving.
Why? Is it just that he hasn't come out and said otherwise? Was it that second-round draft grade? Some other set of tea leaves? (because I haven't seen a tea leaf worth reading yet).
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Mike Frank said it a few days ago, and he has sources on the coaching staff and in the program. And then Pete Sampson said it recently as well. And Make Frank was pretty positive it would happen (not 100%, but almost). So you take 2 reporters with close ties to the program and it makes people trend towards Tuitt leaving.
 
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