'15 IL DT Micah Dew-Treadway (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[BleedBlueGold]

Is anyone else getting sick and tired of the negativity surrounding the kids that have committed who are "just a three star?"

Pretty sure the staff has proven time and time again that they know how to 1) evaluate talent and 2) develop that talent. And for cryin' out loud, how many times does ND have to get burned by kids who don't truly want to be apart of the class before people start appreciating the ones that really do?

 

[NDRock]

Sorry to go off topic but why not take players who want to be at Notre Dame? We are never at the 85 player limit and it will be crucial to have bodies for the front 7 with a 4-3 defense. There is still room to take elite players at that position.

Agree with this. In the past we are always hovering around 81-82 scholarships as signing day approaches. We seem to leave open slots for those elite guys who decide late. Inevitably we only get one of them and screw ourselves on numbers. This year I want to see us maxed out down the stretch and if we get a couple late, elite commits, we'll deal with it through natural attrition or 5th year guys.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Agree with this. In the past we are always hovering around 81-82 scholarships as signing day approaches. We seem to leave open slots for those elite guys who decide late. Inevitably we only get one of them and screw ourselves on numbers. This year I want to see us maxed out down the stretch and if we get a couple late, elite commits, we'll deal with it through natural attrition or 5th year guys.

I agree with this. It sure seems like things are trending this way. I'm really curious to see where ND stands class-wise after II.

 

[CraigKrenzel]

According to an article Sampson posted (SIAP), Micah concentrated on basketball until his sophomore year, when he was 6-1/6-2" and 215 pounds. Obviously he's grown quite a bit in a short amount of time and has only begun to concentrate on football, so that might explain (a) the number and quality of offers and (b) the rawness of his tape.

I agree his tape is underwhelming. I always take the lame way out though - gotta trust the staff's evaluation.

 

[md_bennett]

According to an article Sampson posted (SIAP), Micah concentrated on basketball until his sophomore year, when he was 6-1/6-2" and 215 pounds. Obviously he's grown quite a bit in a short amount of time and has only begun to concentrate on football, so that might explain (a) the number and quality of offers and (b) the rawness of his tape.

I agree his tape is underwhelming. I always take the lame way out though - gotta trust the staff's evaluation.

Yes! They have seen him personally, and a large chunk of the "only 3 star" guys they have recruited ball out at various events and spring up the rankings. It's a simple thing for us to evaluate a choice before they break out by looking as current, flawed rankings. It is quite a different thing for the staff to build a team for long-term needs based on where they project in 2-3 years. I've very rarely been disappointed with their decisions thus far, so I will continue to trust those evaluations - especially by BVG with his SEC and NFL experience. When we talked about Kizer last year, we always saw the good parts of his game and salivated at what he can be fully devoted to football. Let's give this kid the same chance.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Is anyone else getting sick and tired of the negativity surrounding the kids that have committed who are "just a three star?"

Pretty sure the staff has proven time and time again that they know how to 1) evaluate talent and 2) develop that talent. And for cryin' out loud, how many times does ND have to get burned by kids who don't truly want to be apart of the class before people start appreciating the ones that really do?

You want us to trust the staff, given their record of evaluating and developing talent and then comment on getting burned by kids that didn't want to be at ND. Well, who recruited those kids that didn't want to be at ND? Who put the eggs in one basket?

I am not saying that this is a bad pick-up or that I am overly concerned about three stars at this time. But, to this point, nothing that BK has shown me at ND warrants being a Pollyanna. We should welcome Micah, but at the same time, we should welcome the questioning and the debate.

 

[NDdomer2]

You want us to trust the staff, given their record of evaluating and developing talent and then comment on getting burned by kids that didn't want to be at ND. Well, who recruited those kids that didn't want to be at ND? Who put the eggs in one basket?

I am not saying that this is a bad pick-up or that I am overly concerned about three stars at this time. But, to this point, nothing that BK has shown me at ND warrants being a Pollyanna. We should welcome Micah, but at the same time, we should welcome the questioning and the debate.

I agree with you that the debate should be welcomed. What gets me, personally, is that it's often not "when I watched his film this didnt impress me, or I see the potential here." It is always just stars stars stars. Yeah they are nice to look at and fun to tell your friends about but ultimately mean nothing. Let's talk about real football if we are going to debate a commit.

However, with this young man, the things I am most excited about are his locale and his excitement to be at ND. As I mentioned early in this thread, he may tweet everything in all caps. But I do know all his ND tweets have been all caps. Shows genuine excitement. I like the locale because it means we aren't going to have the typical hurdles to get over (far from home, cold, etc.). This kid is going to get on campus *early* and just get to work. Those may seem like small things, but they make a huge difference, IMO.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Here's my take. Wisconsin rarely signs an elite DL prospect. They have many three star DL on their roster and last time I checked, their DL was pretty good. Gotta trust the coaches to make the decisions. And then gotta trust them to coach them up to fit their scheme. The most important thing football wise is how the prospect fits your system. If the coaches are satisfied, then go with it. Nothing wrong with debating it as fans. That's what fans do. Good luck to Micah and hopefully he becomes a first team All American during his stay at SB.

 

[NDdomer2]

Here's my take. Wisconsin rarely signs an elite DL prospect. They have many three star DL on their roster and last time I checked, their DL was pretty good. Gotta trust the coaches to make the decisions. And then gotta trust them to coach them up to fit their scheme. The most important thing football wise is how the prospect fits your system. If the coaches are satisfied, then go with it. Nothing wrong with debating it as fans. That's what fans do. Good luck to Micah and hopefully he becomes a first team All American during his stay at SB.

While this would be awesome, but statistically unlikely. I would take an All-Independent player (does this exist). To me that would equal some solid years of production. Mix that in with some other solid production guys and you have a good line with depth that helps what hopefully becomes an athletic LB core make plays.

 

[T Town Tommy]

While this would be awesome, but statistically unlikely. I would take an All-Independent player (does this exist). To me that would equal some solid years of production. Mix that in with some other solid production guys and you have a good line with depth that helps what hopefully becomes an athletic LB core make plays.

Yeah... I agree but we never really know. Maybe he will be "that one" that beats the odds. Plus, from all indications, he seems like a well rounded young man who will rep the school well during his stay. I will be cheering for him.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I am sorry Irish4ever it was just a question. ???? It just seems like we have a lot of 3 star commits. However if you can play you can play, I am sure Van Gorder is getting all the guys that he wants. Is there any tape on this kid? I could not really find any.

Sorry this is 12 hours after the fact.

I am going to offer you some really great advice, if you want to make your time on IE pleasurable for yourself, and others. (They are linked if you are anyone but a troll.)

Are you a prosecuting attorney? Because your questions lead to a single obvious conclusion. With little wiggle room. It is not (just) my observation, I went back and read a ton of your posts. You are obviously an intelligent and insightful guy. But your questions are leading, and the way they are phrased, they lead to something negative and irritating for most posters.

The second piece : You are obviously making an attempt to rectify things. But you are feigning a lack of knowledge, or information (newbie syndrome) yet asking questions that point to the same place.

My advice is to relax. Sit back. Look at this as entertainment. Don't take it too seriously, the fate of the western world isn't in the balance. And there are people around that have forgotten more about all of these football issues than you or I will ever know.

Sit back and watch and listen. Don't comment on a thread unless you have read the first page, and the page previous to where your post will appear. Learn about reputation, the green and red bars. Look at the post count of a user. Or how long they have been on the site. With few exceptions that will give you a clue to who has experience, with only a hand full of exceptions. Also, make friends. And PM them with some of your more basic questions.

Most importantly, have fun and realize the sun will come up tomorrow!

Ádh mór oraibh! Agus dul Ghaeilge!

 

[yankeeND]

So in all of last nights excitement I forgot to be excited for Micah, which I am. Glad your on board big fella! He looked pretty good against the run from what I saw, and gets a nice push at the LOS. I think he did a fair job of rushing the passer, but definitely has work to do. Looks like he uses his hands well though so that should bode well for his future productivity. Overall I'm glad he is adding quality depth and even better his attitude about ND will allow him to be as successful as he wants to be.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

IMO, the only time anyone should begin to question an offer is if the class is full (or ends up getting full), or if the commitment leads to the exclusion of someone better. It doesn't sound like that's the case here, so there really isn't much point in even debating it.

 

[irishog77]

Here's my take. Wisconsin rarely signs an elite DL prospect. They have many three star DL on their roster and last time I checked, their DL was pretty good. Gotta trust the coaches to make the decisions. And then gotta trust them to coach them up to fit their scheme. The most important thing football wise is how the prospect fits your system. If the coaches are satisfied, then go with it. Nothing wrong with debating it as fans. That's what fans do. Good luck to Micah and hopefully he becomes a first team All American during his stay at SB.

I think in professional football, this is absolutely true. In high school and college, I think it matters less. Sure, you obviously want guys that fit whatever you're looking for as a coach; but with so many more restrictions on practice time, contact and meetings, and that it isn't these guys' literal job, I think having simply better players/athletes is the most important thing in college.

I think, ideally, a coach wants the best athlete who also fits their system.

Oregon in recent years and Auburn too (though not as consistently as Oregon) are a couple teams that come to mind that have found players that fit their system. Stanford could be added to that list as well. But I think a system can only carry a team so far-- you gotta have the horses to run with it.

I hope MDT is one of the horses for ND.

 

[Ndaccountant]

IMO, the only time anyone should begin to question an offer is if the class is full (or ends up getting full), or if the commitment leads to the exclusion of someone better. It doesn't sound like that's the case here, so there really isn't much point in even debating it.

I think that is a bit misleading. If we stop aggressively recruiting some kids, how do we know if they wouldn't come to ND?

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I think that is a bit misleading. If we stop aggressively recruiting some kids, how do we know if they wouldn't come to ND?

Our stopping recruiting someone else would fall under "to the exclusion of someone else" for purposes of evaluating whether the offer was a good idea.

 

[Wild Bill]

According to an article Sampson posted (SIAP), Micah concentrated on basketball until his sophomore year, when he was 6-1/6-2" and 215 pounds. Obviously he's grown quite a bit in a short amount of time and has only begun to concentrate on football, so that might explain (a) the number and quality of offers and (b) the rawness of his tape.

I agree his tape is underwhelming. I always take the lame way out though - gotta trust the staff's evaluation.

This kid has late bloomer written all over him. You can't teach his size, and I love former basketball players on the defensive line. They have quick feet and it helps in the trenches. Give him some time to grow into his body and I think he'll be fine.

Bolingbrook has produced some decent talent recently and maybe this opens the door to future recruits.

 

[Irishman77]

This kid has late bloomer written all over him. You can't teach his size, and I love former basketball players on the defensive line. They have quick feet and it helps in the trenches. Give him some time to grow into his body and I think he'll be fine.

Bolingbrook has produced some decent talent recently and maybe this opens the door to future recruits.

Robert Farmer!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

You want us to trust the staff, given their record of evaluating and developing talent and then comment on getting burned by kids that didn't want to be at ND. Well, who recruited those kids that didn't want to be at ND? Who put the eggs in one basket?

I am not saying that this is a bad pick-up or that I am overly concerned about three stars at this time. But, to this point, nothing that BK has shown me at ND warrants being a Pollyanna. We should welcome Micah, but at the same time, we should welcome the questioning and the debate.

My post is directed at posters who are upset that ND is landing commits from 3star kids who really want to be at ND. It had nothing to do with the staff's strategy and being left at the alter w/o a plan B (which is what it seems you're suggesting).

My "burned" comment was for those who get amped for a highly ranked national player's commitment to ND, only to be destroyed when said player de-commits to stay close to home, etc. And then when a local player, who may not be as highly ranked, but really truly wants to be at ND commits...suddenly these same people are just "meh" about it. Hence, my comment: How many times are recruitniks going to allow themselves to get burned (by guys like Barnett, etc) before they finally become appreciative of the kids that really do want to be at ND, regardless of star-rating?

I'm assuming you interpreted my "burned" comment to mean the staff sticks their neck out for some of these kids that don't pan out and then don't always have a backup plan. Who's to blame? ...In this case, yes I agree with you. But again, that's not what my original comment was about.

I have a serious problem with star chasers. They annoy me. If you want to debate film, offers, etc. I'm cool with that. But when I repeatedly see posts about star rankings with no other substance, it drives me nuts. That's my ultimate point.

 

[Pachuco]

I have a serious problem with star chasers. They annoy me. If you want to debate film, offers, etc. I'm cool with that. But when I repeatedly see posts about star rankings with no other substance, it drives me nuts. That's my ultimate point.

Hmmm... That requires work, experience, knowledge, things that coaches are doing much more regularly and thoroughly than internet egos... NOT falling in love with 17 year old recruits only to emo-phase on here when things go awry, nor sizing up biceps and twitter pages for the hoopla.

Personally, I'm all about names. The coaching staff under Kelly has shown great progress in finding the RKNs.

'Dew-Treadway' has winner status all over it, with money fb metaphors abounding.

 

[BMT]

One thing to my post on this thread #108.

In addition to BKs eye. How about Brian Van Gorder. The guy has been a DC at Auburn, and with the Falcons and Jets. You can bet the bank he can tell if a person can play or will be able to in the future way better than any star system! Is it to late to take Luke Kuechely or Trent Murphy??????

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Video - <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals">@NDatRivals</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshHelmholdt">@JoshHelmholdt</a> take a closer look at <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a> DL commit Micah Dew-Treadway ($): <a href="http://t.co/HRc0bWxNb4">http://t.co/HRc0bWxNb4</a></p>— Jake Brown (@Jake_Brown) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jake_Brown/statuses/477438143113617411">June 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Bogtrotter07]

One thing to my post on this thread #108.

In addition to BKs eye. How about Brian Van Gorder. The guy has been a DC at Auburn, and with the Falcons and Jets. You can bet the bank he can tell if a person can play or will be able to in the future way better than any star system! Is it to late to take Luke Kuechely or Trent Murphy??????

Not to mention he was a two-time Broyles award winner of a DC at Georgia, and built one of the preeminent SEC defenses of the early days of the conferences success.

And BVG tells everyone how influential and important the time he spent with Ryan was.

 

[TheChosen1]

Just listed to the video on rivals. I really like this kids attitude and personality.

 

[Luckylucci]

Interesting note. Sampson obviously stood next to Micah during his interview that he conducted and said that Micah is comfortably 6'5. When I see 6'4, I think more like 6'3ish. So when I see 6'4 and he's really 6'5, thats a pleasant surprise.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Interesting note. Sampson obviously stood next to Micah during his interview that he conducted and said that Micah is comfortably 6'5. When I see 6'4, I think more like 6'3ish. So when I see 6'4 and he's really 6'5, thats a pleasant surprise.

Did you see the kids film? He is one of the few recruits that you don't need the tard circle or arrow for. You can always tell which one is him. Because he is simply a much bigger human being. Much bigger.

 

[irishfan]

Interesting note. Sampson obviously stood next to Micah during his interview that he conducted and said that Micah is comfortably 6'5. When I see 6'4, I think more like 6'3ish. So when I see 6'4 and he's really 6'5, thats a pleasant surprise.

Agreed. Always got a drop an inch and add about .1 or .2 to a 40 time.

I was 5'10" 155 my senior year of high school (we Irish tend to mature late) and was listed as 6'0" 175 on our roster haha

 

[woolybug25]

Agreed. Always got a drop an inch and add about .1 or .2 to a 40 time.

I was 5'10" 155 my senior year of high school (we Irish tend to mature late) and was listed as 6'0" 175 on our roster haha

Our HS football coach listed every single one of us at 6'/175. haha

 

[Luckylucci]

Our HS football coach listed every single one of us at 6'/175. haha

That's hilarious, probably just pisses off the opposing coach.

 

[irishfan]

Our HS football coach listed every single one of us at 6'/175. haha

hahaha that's actually a genius strategy.

I don't think we had a kid over 220 my senior year (this is why I always say New England football sucks....cause we were actually considered to be a good team by NE standards and we were TINY), but of course our whole line was listed 250+