Mark Cuban: "I'm bigoted in a lot of different ways"

[gkIrish]

This country just gets way too offended about what other people think.

Also, ESPN is really starting to tick me off the way they are driving dialogue in whatever direction they want.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Agreed and agreed, especially as to the bolded. Domina's post made me worry that my prior post in this thread came across as holier-than-thou. Not my intent at all. And to the extent that this is all Cuban was saying, it's pretty uncontroversial.

I may be guilty of the same. Probably this bit:

Cuban's example is classism, not racism. And classism is still generally acceptable in America.

That's not to imply that I think "classism" is especially bad, and needs to be rooted out as one of the last vestiges of socially acceptable bigotry. More that we place such an absurd emphasis on political correctness that it becomes difficult to talk about these issues in a realistic way. It's tell that classism is one of the last socially acceptable prejudices in this country, despite overwhelming evidence that people rely on a much larger set of prejudices in their day-to-day lives.

 

[NCND]

Nothing wrong with it. He is talking about how these people choose to present themselves to the world and his own choices based on a desire to avoid confrontation. Tattooed skinheads trump punk looking kids in the hierarchy of people I don't want to scuffle with. Before you say, why assume there will be a problem, ask yourself why take the chance? Remove any reference to skin color and does his comment become more "acceptable"? It is still a legitimate point if both hypothetical people are white.

So stand up straight, cut your hair, show your face, pull up your pants and wear respectable clothing if you want people to ASSUME you should be treated with respect. It's got nothing to do with race.

Totally agree. Great post.

 

[phork]

I don't see this as being anywhere near the same as Sterling. I get what he is saying about slippery slope. But Sterling is douche bag. Is a shady landlord and clearly is a real biggot.

Cuban is playing devils advocate.

 

[Bluto]

Well, a rich person has a lot to steal, and very little to gain from robbing some average Joe.

Whereas a poor person needs money.

Seems pretty reasonable to be less worried about getting robbed by Lil Wayne than some random hick.

Unless said wealthy individuals are "stealing" from a bunch of aevrage Joe's.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Agreed and agreed, especially as to the bolded. Domina's post made me worry that my prior post in this thread came across as holier-than-thou. Not my intent at all. And to the extent that this is all Cuban was saying, it's pretty uncontroversial.

You didn't come across as holier-than-thou. I understood your point. I was just stating my opinion that there is nothing at all disturbing about crossing the street based on someone dressing in a way that makes them look hard-- even if it hurts that person's feelings. My Church is in the hood, and I can tell you that there are certain ways of dressing that send out the "BEWARE" message loud and clear.

Lots of young men embrace styles that make them look tough, and they shouldn't be shocked when people act accordingly.

If you want strangers to feel safe around you, look non-threatening. Dress like a Hipster or a Mormon or something. Walk like a dork. Carry a brief case. You get the point...

I don't see this as being anywhere near the same as Sterling. I get what he is saying about slippery slope. But Sterling is douche bag. Is a shady landlord and clearly is a real biggot.

Cuban is playing devils advocate.

Hopefully, Cuban is trying to make the good point that while racial bigotry like Sterling's is terrible, we can't enforce a perfectly politically-correct standard since no one meets it.

 

[Woneone]

Hopefully, Cuban is trying to make the good point that while racial bigotry like Sterling's is terrible, we can't enforce a perfectly politically-correct standard since no one meets it.

I think this is exactly the message he was trying to convey. We've essentially let the idea of a perfect society get in the way of making progress together.

 

[irishog77]

We should fully embrace all human beings of every form.


I love and accept all people....except for a few-- blacks, Asians, Latinos, women, the gays, Italians, Jews, Indians, Aborigines, Polynesians, the French, Brits, Protestants, atheists, agnostics, Arabs, Muslims, Bostonians, Canadians, the fatties, diabetics, the blind, the deaf, New Englanders, people who call Wal-Mart "Wal-Marts," DMV workers, lepers, the color blind, Buddhists, Mormons, thumb wrestlers, Carnies, clowns, druggies, the balds, the uglies, low talkers, the web-footed, the double-jointed, multi-colored eye havers, and the dyslexic.

 

[RDU Irish]

anyone who crosses streets is obviously a bigot.

 

[irishog77]

I don't like street crossers either.

 

[RDU Irish]

We should fully embrace all human beings of every form.


I love and accept all people....except for a few-- blacks, Asians, Latinos, women, the gays, Italians, Jews, Indians, Aborigines, Polynesians, the French, Brits, Protestants, atheists, agnostics, Arabs, Muslims, Bostonians, Canadians, the fatties, diabetics, the blind, the deaf, New Englanders, people who call Wal-Mart "Wal-Marts," DMV workers, lepers, the color blind, Buddhists, Mormons, thumb wrestlers, Carnies, clowns, druggies, the balds, the uglies, low talkers, the web-footed, the double-jointed, multi-colored eye havers, and the dyslexic.

Don't forget the gingers. F them, man.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Don't forget the gingers. F them, man.

HEY!

 

[ACamp1900]

We should fully embrace all human beings of every form.


I love and accept all people....except for a few-- blacks, Asians, Latinos, women, the gays, Italians, Jews, Indians, Aborigines, Polynesians, the French, Brits, Protestants, atheists, agnostics, Arabs, Muslims, Bostonians, Canadians, the fatties, diabetics, the blind, the deaf, New Englanders, people who call Wal-Mart "Wal-Marts," DMV workers, lepers, the color blind, Buddhists, Mormons, thumb wrestlers, Carnies, clowns, druggies, the balds, the uglies, low talkers, the web-footed, the double-jointed, multi-colored eye havers, and the dyslexic.

Damn... I was almost home free...

 

[ACamp1900]

Don't forget the gingers. F them, man.

He clearly said, "Human beings".....

 

[gkIrish]

He clearly said, "Human beings".....

post of the week?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

We should fully embrace all human beings of every form.


I love and accept all people....except for a few-- blacks, Asians, Latinos, women, the gays, Italians, Jews, Indians, Aborigines, Polynesians, the French, Brits, Protestants, atheists, agnostics, Arabs, Muslims, Bostonians, Canadians, the fatties, diabetics, the blind, the deaf, New Englanders, people who call Wal-Mart "Wal-Marts," DMV workers, lepers, the color blind, Buddhists, Mormons, thumb wrestlers, Carnies, clowns, druggies, the balds, the uglies, low talkers, the web-footed, the double-jointed, multi-colored eye havers, and the dyslexic.

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[Buster Bluth]

I don't see anything wrong with saying two of the following make you feel uneasy, and two don't.

 

[dshans]

I don't like street crossers either.

I'm down with that (or in total agreement, dependent on one's predilection) brotha (or bro or brah or my man or fellow citizen or ...).



Especially when "they" jaywalk or cross against the signal.

 

[irishff1014]

What Cuban said goes through probably 40-50% of this countries head at some point or another. He didn't call out Blacks he was getting to the point of calling everyone out.

 

[dshans]

Don't forget the gingers. F them, man.

You are on the brink of being relegated to my "Ignore" list. MY ginger may now be gray/white, but I gots a son and a number of nieces and nephews that I could call on to kick your brownie-ish ass!

 

[Bishop2b5]

Cuban's probably right... we all have a few prejudices. We just try not to let them cause us to mistreat anyone. As for crossing the street when we see someone approaching who fits a stereotype, some of that may be unfair, but some of it is just being safe. If I see a pit bull coming towards me, I'm a lot more likely to be apprehensive and look for an escape route than if I see a lab coming towards me. That might be a super gentle pit and a vicious lab, but I know the reputation of both and am inclined to act accordingly.

 

[connor_in]

Mark Cuban: 'I'm bigoted in a lot of different ways'



Didn't want this to get lost in the old Sterling thread. SportsCenter is having a field day with these comments. What are everyone's thoughts?

question: do you think it matters if the hood of said hoodie is down or up obscuring the person's face

 

[ACamp1900]

question: do you think it matters if the hood of said hoodie is down or up obscuring the person's face

I do, absolutely, especially if weather doesn't call for it... this goes for any shade of youth... and yes, usually just youth.

 

[connor_in]

I don't see anything wrong with saying two of the following make you feel uneasy, and two don't.

Check under the third guy's house and you will find bodies!

 

[Booslum31]

I got "over-served" in downtown Columbus after my daughters Volleyball tournament last weekend. When i emerged from the bar at 2:30am I had to walk five blocks back to my hotel. I avoided EVERYONE regardless of what they were wearing...ran to the hotel like I stole something.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'd cross the street to avoid Wayne Brady!

Wayne Brady Terrorizes Dave Chappelle - YouTube

 

[tussin]

This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with judging a book by it's cover.

If I see a attractive college girl wearing her Lily Pulitzer dress and Tiffany jewelry, I'm probably going to assume she is a WASPy New England girl with a rich daddy.

I'm also going to assume a 30 year old working at McD's is of below average intelligence.

It's the inherent assumptions we all make about other people.

 

[irishroo]

Seems to me that Cuban's comments are rooted in honesty and openness, while Sterling's are rooted in ignorance and hate. I know a lot of people will look at this and just think it's Cuban trying to step back into the spotlight, but I have to applaud him for his own interests and reputation on the line to at least try to start and legitimate, honest conversation about race in this country.

 

[AvesEvo]

I'm not a skinhead, but I dress like one so I have the sidewalk all to myself.

 

[AvesEvo]

This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with judging a book by it's cover.

If I see a attractive college girl wearing her Lily Pulitzer dress and Tiffany jewelry, I'm probably going to assume she is a WASPy New England girl with a rich daddy.

I'm also going to assume a 30 year old working at McD's is of below average intelligence.

It's the inherent assumptions we all make about other people.

No, we all don't.