'13 GA DE Isaac Rochell (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[NDhoosier]

Safe to say, we're safe:

Jason Sapp ‏@BGI_JasonSapp
MT @Isaacrochell88 in class missing ND I have come to the conclusision that i literally could not have chose a better school. I LOVE ND

he gone then?

 

[rtrn2glory]

he needs to talk to Greg Bryant

 

[scUM Hater]

he gone then?

This makes getting Vanderdoes that much more important.

 

[Booslum31]

Jason Sapp‏@BGI_JasonSapp

After stopping at ELCA, #NotreDame commit Isaac Rochell tells me he'll be hosting #Irish HC Brian Kelly for in-home Notre Dame coaches making in-home, school visits with prospects

Keeping the hammer down!

 

[Irish#1]

he gone then?

It doesn't sound like it.

 

[dkuhn12]

LOI in

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Maybe the most underrated player this class.

 

[Emcee77]

Maybe the most underrated player this class.

It's really bizarre how the services have him rated very highly as a top 10 SDE and top 150 overall player, but how he was totally ignored by the post-season all-american game organizers. Don't get why he was overlooked.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

This kid is going to be special, the silent assassin. His play will speak loudly....

 

[OCIrish]

It's really bizarre how the services have him rated very highly as a top 10 SDE and top 150 overall player, but how he was totally ignored by the post-season all-american game organizers. Don't get why he was overlooked.

I don't think he did the combine circuit, hence the lower rating than some kids who went on to perform at certain camps.

 

[aubeirish]

It's really bizarre how the services have him rated very highly as a top 10 SDE and top 150 overall player, but how he was totally ignored by the post-season all-american game organizers. Don't get why he was overlooked.

Kelly looked pretty happy about all that. I think we should be as well. I also think that sometimes kids that completely close their recruitment or are very quiet about it get less attention by the media and sometimes get left out of games like this. They are trying to get as many live commitments as they can... It's good business.

 

[Luckylucci]

He didnt do any off-season camps this last year. He did them after his sophmore year and thats how his name got out. But once he committed he didnt really go out to camps. He also missed 1/3 to 1/2 of his teams season due to injury. I agree fellas, he is going to be good and very much underrated.

 

[arrowryan]

We all know Vanderdoes will get a lot of playing time next year rotating with Day. What do you guys think about Rochell? I think he redshirts and bulks up to around 300 for the 2014 season. I think that would be the smart thing to do, no need to burn a year off his scholly

 

[dublinirish]

rochell should RS for sure along with Matuska

 

[BleedBlueGold]

We all know Vanderdoes will get a lot of playing time next year rotating with Day. What do you guys think about Rochell? I think he redshirts and bulks up to around 300 for the 2014 season. I think that would be the smart thing to do, no need to burn a year off his scholly

I agree. I think there's plenty of talented big bodies along the DL this year who will contribute. I don't see the justification in using him right away when they technically don't need to.

Tuitt - Nix - Day will be backed by a ferocious competition among Vanderdoes, Okwara, Hounshell, Jones, Springmann, and Schwenke (is he back?). That's some stellar depth. And it becomes even greater when you add Ishaq and any other pass rush specialist from the outside. I think Rochell and Matuska get a healthy dose of Coach Longo this year and come ready to contribute in 2014.

Lets face it, ND seems to have finally reached that desired status where they can reload each year and not have to count 100% on incoming freshmen. If a freshman is good enough to contribute, they'll play. But there's no reason to waste a year of eligibility if they don't need to. The future is bright.

 

[Grahambo]

I agree. I think there's plenty of talented big bodies along the DL this year who will contribute. I don't see the justification in using him right away when they technically don't need to.

Tuitt - Nix - Day will be backed by a ferocious competition among Vanderdoes, Okwara, Hounshell, Jones, Springmann, and Schwenke (is he back?). That's some stellar depth. And it becomes even greater when you add Ishaq and any other pass rush specialist from the outside. I think Rochell and Matuska get a healthy dose of Coach Longo this year and come ready to contribute in 2014.

Lets face it, ND seems to have finally reached that desired status where they can reload each year and not have to count 100% on incoming freshmen. If a freshman is good enough to contribute, they'll play. But there's no reason to waste a year of eligibility if they don't need to. The future is bright.

I think one more recruiting year like these last two and we should be smooth sailing afterwards.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I think one more recruiting year like these last two and we should be smooth sailing afterwards.

As long as ND continues to win, I don't foresee that being a problem.

 

[dublinirish]

by most accounts Matuska is a good two years away from being capable to hold up on the DLine.

 

[Grahambo]

As long as ND continues to win, I don't foresee that being a problem.

Precisely my point Alfred.

 

[Old Man Mike]

"Logic" says that Rochell would redshirt. BUT Coach doesn't pay any attention to that. Coach constantly boggles my mind by viewing every player as just who they are in relation to the team winning the next game. Sure, he has the future in his mind, but it appears NOT to come into play unless his choice of players is essentially equal.

Therefore, Isaac might NOT redshirt. If Coach and Bobby-the-D, are looking for the second DE [other than EV] to back up Sheldon and Stephon, and they think that Isaac is a better contributor towards a win than Jarron or Chase [not an impossible situation], then Coach will say "lace 'em up. big fellow."

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride on this one.

By the way, it is my humble opinion that Bobby-the-D needs a little more depth-system development in his systems, so he can't be predicted by a "satanic master" or even a USN schemer [who saved unexpected variations for us all season]. Diaco is a great "structural planner" and teacher of subtleties of technique and gap fitting. He is NOT a master-of-disguise or a confusing shifter of personnel placement and function. Admittedly he has also been hamstrung by the fear of rookie DBs getting homerunned, but this year that should somewhat go away. To get better as a Creator-of-Confusion, Diaco needs as much veteran understanding as he can get on the field. This could mitigate against too many of the rookies seeing a lot of action. Although, in Isaac's case, DE would be less demanding on the "confusion" angle.


I believe that Diaco is VERY anxious to install such unpredictability. In his very first year, he tried [just as a one play experiment in a couple of games], the "stand up disorganized milling around" thing that you see some NFL teams throw in there occasionally --- so no one can really get much of a pre-snap read. He used it a couple of times last year too. This gimmick is not actually disorganized but crazy-like-the-fox and demands good acting and veteran predict-the-snap savvy. It's just a symbol to me that Bobby-the-D IS willing to take some risks and grow beyond being the creator of a robotic machine type of defense.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

"Logic" says that Rochell would redshirt. BUT Coach doesn't pay any attention to that. Coach constantly boggles my mind by viewing every player as just who they are in relation to the team winning the next game. Sure, he has the future in his mind, but it appears NOT to come into play unless his choice of players is essentially equal.

Therefore, Isaac might NOT redshirt. If Coach and Bobby-the-D, are looking for the second DE [other than EV] to back up Sheldon and Stephon, and they think that Isaac is a better contributor towards a win than Jarron or Chase [not an impossible situation], then Coach will say "lace 'em up. big fellow."

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride on this one.

By the way, it is my humble opinion that Bobby-the-D needs a little more depth-system development in his systems, so he can't be predicted by a "satanic master" or even a USN schemer [who saved unexpected variations for us all season]. Diaco is a great "structural planner" and teacher of subtleties of technique and gap fitting. He is NOT a master-of-disguise or a confusing shifter of personnel placement and function. Admittedly he has also been hamstrung by the fear of rookie DBs getting homerunned, but this year that should somewhat go away. To get better as a Creator-of-Confusion, Diaco needs as much veteran understanding as he can get on the field. This could mitigate against too many of the rookies seeing a lot of action. Although, in Isaac's case, DE would be less demanding on the "confusion" angle.


I believe that Diaco is VERY anxious to install such unpredictability. In his very first year, he tried [just as a one play experiment in a couple of games], the "stand up disorganized milling around" thing that you see some NFL teams throw in there occasionally --- so no one can really get much of a pre-snap read. He used it a couple of times last year too. This gimmick is not actually disorganized but crazy-like-the-fox and demands good acting and veteran predict-the-snap savvy. It's just a symbol to me that Bobby-the-D IS willing to take some risks and grow beyond being the creator of a robotic machine type of defense.

Perhaps this isn't for Isaac's thread, but you're exactly right about Diaco insalling more pre-snap unpredictability. That, imo, was the main reason for the NC blow out. Bama knew what he'd throw at them and game planned to exploit it. It worked perfectly....unfortunately.

 

[Luckylucci]

Personal opinion is he will redshirt. I see it this way. The two deep at every spot will play and in blowouts some of the three deep. 1.Tuitt,Nix,Day. 2.Vanderdoes, Schwenke, Springmann. 3.Jones, Hounshell, Rochell.

I see it playing out like that. So I would think that the staff will put Jones, Hounshell, Schwenke, Springmann all on the field before Rochell since those guys can't redshirt. With that much depth it would be a waste to play him. Much like jones last year. With that said he is farther along than Jones from a skill perspective, IMO. So we'll see.

 

[NDdomer2]

not sayin this kid will or won't red shirt but we learn year after year that the guys you think most definitely will don't and vice versa. This kid had offers from all over the place. As omm stated, if he can play he will.

 

[Emcee77]

Personal opinion is he will redshirt. I see it this way. The two deep at every spot will play and in blowouts some of the three deep. 1.Tuitt,Nix,Day. 2.Vanderdoes, Schwenke, Springmann. 3.Jones, Hounshell, Rochell.

I see it playing out like that. So I would think that the staff will put Jones, Hounshell, Schwenke, Springmann all on the field before Rochell since those guys can't redshirt. With that much depth it would be a waste to play him. Much like jones last year. With that said he is farther along than Jones from a skill perspective, IMO. So we'll see.

I agree, I personally see him redshirting, just because we have plenty of talented guys ahead of him. But Kelly has shown that he is not afraid to play freshmen if he thinks they are ready to contribute, and Rochell is pretty well-developed physically. I wouldn't be shocked if he played next year, but I don't expect him to, either.

 

[koonja]

I just watched 3 minutes of his film. I think he redshirts. He's solid in pursuit, but has a lot of work to do at disengaging with blockers, IMO.

 

[irishff1014]

Personal opinion is he will redshirt. I see it this way. The two deep at every spot will play and in blowouts some of the three deep. 1.Tuitt,Nix,Day. 2.Vanderdoes, Schwenke, Springmann. 3.Jones, Hounshell, Rochell.

I see it playing out like that. So I would think that the staff will put Jones, Hounshell, Schwenke, Springmann all on the field before Rochell since those guys can't redshirt. With that much depth it would be a waste to play him. Much like jones last year. With that said he is farther along than Jones from a skill perspective, IMO. So we'll see.

But this how we start to make a difference against better offensive teams when you have 3 very good players at each spot to rotate. Depth is what we needed for some time. Yes we didn't get enough but we are well on our way.

 

[Irish#1]

"Logic" says that Rochell would redshirt. BUT Coach doesn't pay any attention to that. Coach constantly boggles my mind by viewing every player as just who they are in relation to the team winning the next game. Sure, he has the future in his mind, but it appears NOT to come into play unless his choice of players is essentially equal.

Therefore, Isaac might NOT redshirt. If Coach and Bobby-the-D, are looking for the second DE [other than EV] to back up Sheldon and Stephon, and they think that Isaac is a better contributor towards a win than Jarron or Chase [not an impossible situation], then Coach will say "lace 'em up. big fellow."

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride on this one.

By the way, it is my humble opinion that Bobby-the-D needs a little more depth-system development in his systems, so he can't be predicted by a "satanic master" or even a USN schemer [who saved unexpected variations for us all season]. Diaco is a great "structural planner" and teacher of subtleties of technique and gap fitting. He is NOT a master-of-disguise or a confusing shifter of personnel placement and function. Admittedly he has also been hamstrung by the fear of rookie DBs getting homerunned, but this year that should somewhat go away. To get better as a Creator-of-Confusion, Diaco needs as much veteran understanding as he can get on the field. This could mitigate against too many of the rookies seeing a lot of action. Although, in Isaac's case, DE would be less demanding on the "confusion" angle.


I believe that Diaco is VERY anxious to install such unpredictability. In his very first year, he tried [just as a one play experiment in a couple of games], the "stand up disorganized milling around" thing that you see some NFL teams throw in there occasionally --- so no one can really get much of a pre-snap read. He used it a couple of times last year too. This gimmick is not actually disorganized but crazy-like-the-fox and demands good acting and veteran predict-the-snap savvy. It's just a symbol to me that Bobby-the-D IS willing to take some risks and grow beyond being the creator of a robotic machine type of defense.

I think a lot of that comes with experience and maturity in the position. You have to believe he and Kelly will discuss and he will add another layer to his planning.

 

[NDdomer2]

Bobby D has improved every year since he has got to ND, I don't see that stopping any time soon. A lot of time in the off season to bounce ideas around and talk to others in the industry. Super pumped for spring ball!

 

[ndfb3]

Wonder if we will be playing a lot more 4-3 now that we have a lot of depth on the DLine.

 

[Luckylucci]

But this how we start to make a difference against better offensive teams when you have 3 very good players at each spot to rotate. Depth is what we needed for some time. Yes we didn't get enough but we are well on our way.

While I agree that depth is very important, we dont' need to go 3 deep two win big time games. Two deep is plenty in my opinion. I don't think very many coaches around the country are playing 3 deep on a consistant basis. And if its only going to be in blowouts its a waste of a year.