'13 IL RB Ty Isaac (Michigan Transfer)

[NDdomer2]

From ISD Intel:

the good news, from the way I am reading that, is that Isaac wants to be at ND. If he would have been cleared to any BIG school, deadline missed or not, what would he need lawyers to look into if he wanted to end up at one of said schools.

They wouldn't need lawyers if he didn't want to go somewhere USC is trying to block.

 

[IrishLax]

the good news, from the way I am reading that, is that Isaac wants to be at ND. If he would have been cleared to any BIG school, deadline missed or not, what would he need lawyers to look into if he wanted to end up at one of said schools.

They wouldn't need lawyers if he didn't want to go somewhere USC is trying to block.

Yeah, which makes sense considering he almost ended up at ND originally. I don't know who ultimately ended up walking away from who but as we got down to the wire in the 2013 class there was serious communication between the two sides. He very seriously was considering a flip to ND, but we got our two backs.

 

[IrishinTN]

Not to be a wet blanket, but... I'm gonna be a wet blanket.

Should Notre Dame get in contact with a USC tranferee when ND knows that USC wanted to block them from transferring to ND? It would just seem petty to go through with this and then ND turns around and blocks contact on some kid wanting to transfer out of ND.

Rules is rules. If Notre Dame missed a deadline on blocking a kid from going to USC, do you think USC would think twice about contacting him? If USC couldn't get all their ducks in a row soon enough, neither Notre Dame nor, to an even bigger degree, should Ty Isaac be penalized for it. Its a cutthroat business now.

 

[Booslum31]

Rules is rules. If Notre Dame missed a deadline on blocking a kid from going to USC, do you think USC would think twice about contacting him? If USC couldn't get all their ducks in a row soon enough, neither Notre Dame nor, to an even bigger degree, should Ty Isaac be penalized for it. Its a cutthroat business now.

This!

 

[tko]

For all those feeling sorry for USC.

Remember the "Bush Push."

That is all.

Fuck USC.

Preach on brother! AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[stlnd01]

Am I understanding this correctly: some are worried about possibly adding Ty because of a technicality?

Not saying I wouldn't take Isaac just because we'd be getting him on a technicality (if that is indeed the case). Of course I'd take Isaac. But if (when) at some point a year or two from now we lose a blue chip player to a hated rival through some loophole, all the "U$C cheats" talk that will inevitably well up around here will sound pretty hollow.

As for the Vanderdoes comparison, he didn't go to USC, did he? And I suspect at some level we made sure that was never an option.

 

[#1rish]

Anthony Barr 2.0.

I hope.

For the Irish.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Not saying I wouldn't take Isaac just because we'd be getting him on a technicality (if that is indeed the case). Of course I'd take Isaac. But if (when) at some point a year or two from now we lose a blue chip player to a hated rival through some loophole, all the "U$C cheats" talk that will inevitably well up around here will sound pretty hollow.

As for the Vanderdoes comparison, he didn't go to USC, did he? And I suspect at some level we made sure that was never an option.

USC did cheat! They got put on big-time sanctions for it. The were also playing some roided out kids, as proven by the NFL.

Alabama had a graduating starter admit to getting paid, and another starter taking money from a lifting coach LAST YEAR!

Has ND ever cheated? I'm sure. But there is cheating and there is CHEATING. ND is not Alabama or USC (PC years). And USC and Alabama are not SMU or Miami (back in the day). The inability to make distinctions like this is not a sign of integrity or consistency, but of lazy thinking! If you want to compare ND in the 1970s or 80s, maybe there is an argument to make, but not under Weis or Kelly.

We have to live with the constant self-righteous, PC, secular-savior nonsense that comes out of ND's PR machine right now. We're ND fans and that is what the ND brand is right now. So you either embrace it or spend your fandom unhappy. The other fans rubbed the Manti-stuff in our faces, we certainly get to it in other fan bases when their punk athletes do stupid crap like this.

And getting something on a technicality, is a lot different than getting something by breaking the rules. The school has a chance to block a player within a certain amount of days, if they don't do it, they live with the consequences!

 

[gkIrish]

100,000,000 vbucks says he does not end up Irish. One bet only.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Rules is rules. If Notre Dame missed a deadline on blocking a kid from going to USC, do you think USC would think twice about contacting him? If USC couldn't get all their ducks in a row soon enough, neither Notre Dame nor, to an even bigger degree, should Ty Isaac be penalized for it. Its a cutthroat business now.

That's purely hypothetical, though. I can't guess with any confidence what USC would do under similar circumstances. I do believe the schools maintain a good working relationship.

As for "rules is rules" I'm betting USC was supposed to do something in some time frame and there is no specified penalty for missing a deadline. This stuff happens all the time with contracts and unless a party is actually harmed in some way, it rarely results in recission. The Isaac family may be taking the stance that USC forfeited their rights but I'm skeptical that's going to be the end result here.

 

[stlnd01]

USC did cheat! They got put on big-time sanctions for it. The were also playing some roided out kids, as proven by the NFL.

Alabama had a graduating player admit to getting paid, and another taking money from a lifting coach LAST YEAR!

Has ND ever cheated? I'm sure. But there is cheating and there is CHEATING. ND is not Alabama or USC (PC years). And USC and Alabama are not SMU or Miami (back in the day). The inability to make distinctions like this is not a sign of integrity or consistency, but of lazy thinking! If you want to compare ND in the 1970s or 80s, maybe there is an argument to make, but not under Weis or Kelly.

And there is a distinction to be made between USC in the Pete Carroll era and USC today, which seems to be trying to clean up its act (Even under Kiffin, who was an idiot, but apparently not a cheater).
All I'm saying is these loophole games cut both ways, and I'm not looking forward to all the self-righteous braying when we're on the losing end.
Ultimately, though, I agree with GK. Getting Isaac would be great, but if there's even a whiff of opposition from USC, it's a lot more likely he winds up elsewhere.

 

[#1rish]

100,000,000 vbucks says he does not end up Irish. One bet only.

I'll take it

 

[woolybug25]

100,000,000 vbucks says he does not end up Irish. One bet only.

Done [/spits in hand]

 

[ab2cmiller]

Looks pretty clear cut to me if USC didn't respond within 7 business days.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fcsfu%2Fgenrel%2Fauto_pdf%2F2011-12%2Fmisc_non_event%2FNCAA-Athletic-Release-Info.pdf&ei=yiB2U-64Io-LqAaOpICwAw&usg=AFQjCNHsjgrKTCSWb8I800RmB7PxUtqinw&bvm=bv.66699033,d.b2k&cad=rja

NCAA Bylaw 13.1.1.3 (Four-Year College Prospective Student-Athletes), which provides:

An athletics staff member or other representative of the institution’s athletics interests shall not make contact with the student-athlete of another NCAA or NAIA four-year collegiate institution, directly or indirectly, without first obtaining the written permission of the first institution’s athletics director (or an athletics administrator designated by the athletics director) to do so, regardless of who makes the initial contact. If permission is not granted, the second institution shall not encourage the transfer and the institution shall not provide athletically related financial assistance to the student-athlete until the student-athlete has attended the second institution for one academic year. If permission is granted to contact the student-athlete, all applicable NCAA recruiting rules apply. If an institution receives a written request from a student-athlete to permit another institution to contact the student-athlete about transferring, the institution shall grant or deny the request within seven business days (see Bylaw 13.02.1) of receipt of the request. If the institution fails to respond to the student-athlete’s written request within seven business days, permission shall be granted by default and the institution shall provide written permission to the student-athlete. (Revised: 1/10/91, 1/16/93, 1/11/94, 4/26/01, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10)

 

[pkt77242]

Not saying I wouldn't take Isaac just because we'd be getting him on a technicality (if that is indeed the case). Of course I'd take Isaac. But if (when) at some point a year or two from now we lose a blue chip player to a hated rival through some loophole, all the "U$C cheats" talk that will inevitably well up around here will sound pretty hollow.

As for the Vanderdoes comparison, he didn't go to USC, did he? And I suspect at some level we made sure that was never an option.

Actually if we lost a player through this exact same loophole to USC, I would be pissed at whoever didn't do their job on time not USC, unless USC made contact when they shouldn't have (cough UCLA cough).

To the second part, my understanding is that he (EV) wanted to go to UCLA, not that he wanted to get his release and look around and figure out which school was best for him.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Well, then. Thank you for looking that up!

 

[gkIrish]

Done [/spits in hand]

You just spit in your hand for nothing. Gross.

 

[#1rish]

Looks pretty clear cut to me if USC didn't respond within 7 business days.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fcsfu%2Fgenrel%2Fauto_pdf%2F2011-12%2Fmisc_non_event%2FNCAA-Athletic-Release-Info.pdf&ei=yiB2U-64Io-LqAaOpICwAw&usg=AFQjCNHsjgrKTCSWb8I800RmB7PxUtqinw&bvm=bv.66699033,d.b2k&cad=rja

USC soon:

 

[Cali_domer]

500,000,000 says he will not come here.. One only

 

[GoIrish41]

Actually if we lost a player through this exact same loophole to USC, I would be pissed at whoever didn't do their job on time not USC, unless USC made contact when they shouldn't have (cough UCLA cough).

To the second part, my understanding is that he (EV) wanted to go to UCLA, not that he wanted to get his release and look around and figure out which school was best for him.

All instances in the recruiting war happen in a vaccum. We are going to get pissed and put forth self righteous indignation every single time we are on the losing end and will defend ND's moral superiority and justify its actions every time we win out. This is recruitiing dammit! If Ty wants to come to ND, he is a take every single time. If something happens two years from now that reminds us of the staff's shortsighted folly because we took him, we will brush it asside and claim we were robbed. But, we will do that no matter if we grab Ty now or not. At least this way we have loaded the team with one more five star athlete who can help us beat the Trojans for three seasons to come. Fuck USC!!!!

 

[rtrn2glory]

would be unreal if we land this guy.

that would be 2 5 star RB's in one class correct?

would almost be better if we'd redshirt him and he'd be like our RB for this cycle.

 

[woolybug25]

You just spit in your hand for nothing. Gross.

[/wipes on pants... walks away]

 

[Big23Head]

I don't think this has been posted: Ex-USC RB looking to go B1G in transfer

The Irish would also be a consideration for Isaac, although the back told the Tribune that one of the stipulations on his release from USC is that he’s not permitted to transfer to Notre Dame. The Trojans didn’t single out the Irish, however, as Isaac is restricted from transferring to any team on its schedule.

Isaac is, though, holding out hope that he can get around that restriction on a technicality and at least consider the South Bend school.

“Right now they are a team I can’t talk to,” Isaac told the paper. “That might change. (USC) might have missed the deadline to give restrictions. If they did I would consider it. … I definitely don’t want it to be a dragged-out process. I want to figure out where I’m going to be next year and get to work.”

Because of his mother’s health, Isaac will seek a waiver that would grant him immediate eligibility in 2014.

 

[Emcee77]

would be unreal if we land this guy.

that would be 2 5 star RB's in one class correct?

would almost be better if we'd redshirt him and he'd be like our RB for this cycle.

If we redshirted him, he'd be the same year as Bryant. Isaac played last year at SC.

Also, I wouldn't get too excited about him as a 5-star RB so much as just a great athlete. I personally love his potential as an offensive playmaker, but I'm not sure he'd stay on offense. And if he did, we might use him as a sort of "big slot"/near-H-back, as we've used second TEs or Daniel Smith last year.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

would be unreal if we land this guy.

that would be 2 5 star RB's in one class correct?

would almost be better if we'd redshirt him and he'd be like our RB for this cycle.

Perhaps redshirting is a compromise that will get USC to bless his landing in South Bend... but I doubt it.

 

[rtrn2glory]

If we redshirted him, he'd be the same year as Bryant. Isaac played last year at SC.

Also, I wouldn't get too excited about him as a 5-star RB so much as just a great athlete. I personally love his potential as an offensive playmaker, but I'm not sure he'd stay on offense. And if he did, we might use him as a sort of "big slot"/near-H-back, as we've used second TEs or Daniel Smith last year.

good point.

i like the idea of having an anthony barr type on our defense too.

 

[ResLife Hero]

If we redshirted him, he'd be the same year as Bryant. Isaac played last year at SC.

Also, I wouldn't get too excited about him as a 5-star RB so much as just a great athlete. I personally love his potential as an offensive playmaker, but I'm not sure he'd stay on offense. And if he did, we might use him as a sort of "big slot"/near-H-back, as we've used second TEs or Daniel Smith last year.

I think Isaac could be a nightmare in our offense, he could block for one of our current back, take it himself, motion out as a WR or step up to the line as the H-Back TE. As an apposing DC, I'm not sure what you put out there to account for him. He can probably run by most LBs, but he's too big for a CB/S to stick if he runs it.

If he's open to playing D though, I'd love to see him out there.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I bet this will all come down to whether ND's Athletics Compliance Office can verify that USC actually did miss the response deadline. If that can be verified, then we can talk to him safely, and we'll probably land him.

But how would one verify such a thing? It's difficult to prove a negative, and I doubt USC is going to be forthcoming about any missed deadlines. So, if Athletic Compliance can't independently verify the missed deadline, we can't safely speak with Isaac, and taking him at his word that he wants to make a quick decision, that likely knocks us out as an option.

Kelly isn't going to risk illegal contact (like one particularly unethical douche bag in LA) here just for a shot at Isaac.

 

[Emcee77]

I think Isaac could be a nightmare in our offense, he could block for one of our current back, take it himself, motion out as a WR or step up to the line as the H-Back TE. As an apposing DC, I'm not sure what you put out there to account for him. He can probably run by most LBs, but he's too big for a CB/S to stick if he runs it.

If he's open to playing D though, I'd love to see him out there.

Right, totally agreed. We've never had a guy who can do all the things Isaac appears to be capable of doing, including downfield blocking, lead blocking, downfield receiving, and taking handoffs. The staff always talks about "offensive playmakers" who cause matchup problems. This is the guy. Daniel Smith, Theo Riddick and Ben Koyack rolled into one player, you might say.

 

[#1rish]

Right, totally agreed. We've never had a guy who can do all the things Isaac appears to be capable of doing, including downfield blocking, lead blocking, downfield receiving, and taking handoffs. The staff always talks about "offensive playmakers" who cause matchup problems. This is the guy. Daniel Smith, Theo Riddick and Ben Koyack rolled into one player, you might say.

Are you saying he has potential?