'09 IN OT Zack Martin (Notre Dame Man)

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I always thought it interesting that out of all of the ND players that have come through the program since the Weis era, that Zack Martin didn't get the Notre Dame Man moniker.

Fixed. Though I think we can find a better title than "Notre Dame Man" for our ubermenschen.

The Notre Dame moniker on here means nothing ever since Tommy Rees was ordained one

Good point. We probably shouldn't elevate anyone to this title if there's a significant amount of controversy over it. I love me some Tommy, but he's not on the same level as Manti and Zach.
 
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Fixed. Though I think we can find a better title than "Notre Dame Man" for our ubermenschen.



Good point. We probably shouldn't elevate anyone to this title if there's a significant amount of controversy over it. I love me some Tommy, but he's not on the same level as Manti and Zach.

That was always my point. No matter how any single person personally feels, if there is a significant minority of people that are against the idea of giving Rees a special moniker, then it shouldn't happen. A "Notre Dame Man" should be loved by all.
 

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Good point. I was actually in support of Rees getting the title but in retrospect, I agree. If it's not unanimous then don't do it.

Zach Martin is definitely a quality candidate/recipient for the title.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Jon Gruden said Zack Martin might be his favorite offensive lineman in the 2014 NFL Draft. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a></p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/461182382037827584">April 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Jon Gruden said Zack Martin might be his favorite offensive lineman in the 2014 NFL Draft. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a></p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/461182382037827584">April 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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He's gonna be a great pro lineman.

What's his consensus draft pick on average?
 

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He could go as high as #12 to the Giants as he fits into the type of versatile lineman they like such as Justin Pugh.
 
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I was never a big fan of Rees, talent-wise he should not have been the starting QB at Notre Dame.

He did the best he could and never bitched/complained. He also did some good things on the field.

Honestly, he has a better story than Rudy.
 

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He's gonna be a great pro lineman.

What's his consensus draft pick on average?

Most have him linked to the Dolphins at #19. In Peter King's MMQB he noted that a team had Martin in their Top 10 (they didn't have a top-10 pick though), and he could very well go that high if there is a flurry of OTs taken. Greg Robinson and Jake Mathews seem like locks to go in the Top 10. Lewan from Michigan is the wild card. If he also goes Top 10 (could very well happen), the only remaining stud lineman are Martin and Moses from UVA. If it fell the right way, I could see Martin going as high as #10, but #20 more seems more realistic.
 

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Awesome. So we may very well have 3 guys go first round...

Martin is the only one definitely going in the first. I want to believe Tuitt and Nix will as well, but I'm not real optimistic that's actually going to happen. If they don't we're well positioned to "dominate" Friday night's coverage of the draft (2nd & 3rd round) with Tuitt, Nix, Niklas, Watt and a slight possibility Shembo sneaks in as well.
 

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Martin is the only one definitely going in the first. I want to believe Tuitt and Nix will as well, but I'm not real optimistic that's actually going to happen. If they don't we're well positioned to "dominate" Friday night's coverage of the draft (2nd & 3rd round) with Tuitt, Nix, Niklas, Watt and a slight possibility Shembo sneaks in as well.

Me either. Talent wise, yes.
 

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Dissecting the ascendance of Notre Dame's Zack Martin - South Bend Tribune: Football

Zack Martin continued to climb the player ranking boards and mock drafts in recent weeks, the biggest and most bewildering disconnect has become just how flawed the All-America team selection process appears to be when it comes to offensive linemen.
Not that every elite NFL prospect becomes so because of elite college play. There are body metrics, skill projection, background checks, even intuition that become part of the flow chart of evaluating pro potential.
But hours before the Notre Dame four-year starter at left tackle is likely to become the first Irish offensive lineman to go in the NFL Draft’s top 16 overall since Lombardi Trophy winner Aaron Taylor 20 years ago, it’s clear the lack of qualifiable stats for Martin’s position group and a lack of research by voters helped create the unimaginable.
A grossly underrated and underpublicized Notre Dame football player.
“There’s a lot to like about Zack Martin, and yes it was unjust that he didn’t make any All-America teams,” said Taylor, now a college football analyst for CBS who recently added a part-time job of working for the NFL Players Association mentoring program, helping players transition to life after the NFL.
“Zack runs well in space. He’s a guy who will finish blocks. Sometimes you’ll get a guy who’s a good blocker, and his goal is not to get beat versus his goal being to punish the guy he’s playing against.
“Zack has some of that, and that’s going to serve him well in the NFL. And that was something that was missing at Notre Dame prior to him and this unit that’s kind of developed over the past couple of years. Guys were just happy to be there. There were no guys that really wanted to tip a guy a - - over tea kettle, as a unit.
“I wouldn’t call him a dirty player at all. A finisher, though? I think he has the capability to do that.”
Thursday night karma likely kicks in, and Martin could be part of a historical three-day run for the Irish as it relates to the NFL Draft and its protracted seven-round, 256-man player-dispersal process.
Eight Irish products figure to be picked Thursday, Friday and Saturday, which would constitute the largest draft contingent from the school since it had 10 selections in 1994. That 1994 group, that included Taylor and fellow first-rounders Bryant Young and Jeff Burris, comprises the most ND players selected in a single draft once the rounds were cut to seven total in 1993.
There’s an outside chance this group of 15 ND draft hopefuls could match that number should a couple of long shots sneak into the late rounds.
The surge of draftable talent, three drafts removed from just one ND player being selected, could be interpreted as a synthesis of former head coach Charlie Weis’ recruiting with current coach Brian Kelly’s player development and recruiting. Only Tuitt among the 15 Irish draft hopefuls, was a top 50 prospect nationally coming out of high school. Twelve of the 15 didn’t make the top 100 in their respective recruiting cycles.
More than half of them, including Martin, didn’t even receive a top 250 grade from Rivals.com as high school seniors.
But Martin didn’t blindside everyone. Weis insisted, before he was fired at the end of the 2009 season, that the next star lineman would be Martin. Martin redshirted his only season under Weis.
Kelly saw the high ceiling too, as did Sam Young, a four-year starter himself who was replaced by Martin in the lineup when Young was drafted in the sixth round in 2010.
Taylor didn’t see Martin until he stepped on the field in 2010 and started the first of a now school-record 52 games, but it didn’t take long to form an impression.
“You could see the possibilities right away,” Taylor said. “Anytime a guy starts on the line as a (redshirt) freshman and plays in as many games as he did, there’s just something special about kids that do that.
“Any freshman lineman who plays, there’s going to be bumps and bruises, but the fact that he mentally navigated that says a lot. And then he just continually physically developed. Talking with (ND offensive line coach) Harry Hiestand and just watching film over the years, it was clear he was a special player and an anchor of that unit. He had all of the physical attributes that you would want out of a person at his position.”
The ones Martin didn’t have, he appears to have transcended.
Martin projected as a second-rounder in December of 2012 when he made the decision to return for his fifth year at ND largely for the chance to play alongside his younger brother, Nick, ND’s first-year starting center in 2013.
That second-round projection stayed with him up until the Senior Bowl workouts in late January of this year. The reason was Martin was viewed to be too short, from a height (6-4) and arm-length (32-µ) standpoint, to be considered an elite left tackle prospect, which is the money position on the offensive line.
More practically, it was figured that he might play right tackle or guard.
Taylor, who won the Lombardi Award, after playing left tackle his senior season at ND, at 6-4, faced the same scrutiny and did end up moving inside right from the start of his pro career.
“As ridiculous as the (NFL) Combine can be sometimes, with all the metrics that they use, it’s a very effective tool, which is why they do it,” Taylor said. “One of the things that has emerged over the years is that there’s a direct relationship between length of arm and length of career for an offensive lineman.
“So to play left tackle, the longer your arms are, the longer you can extend, the more you can punch a guy off from being able to grab you, which is very important for a left tackle. He usually plays against a team’s elite pass-rusher.
“The right tackle usually is someone you can run behind a little bit more, because they’ll be a little more physical than the left. Here’s the best way to say it: I think he could be a good left tackle. I think he could be a great right tackle or guard.”
Versatility started to work in Martin’s favor, though. Former Super Bowl winning coach and current NFL analyst Jon Gruden recently called Martin his favorite lineman in the draft.
ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay ranked Martin ninth in his final top 300 player rankings. Martin was followed by Tuitt at 27, Nix at 36, tight end Troy Niklas at 59, offensive guard Chris Watt at 163, wide receiver TJ Jones at 169, linebacker Prince Shembo at 172, cornerback Bennett Jackson at 252 and running back George Atkinson III at 271.
NFL.com analyst Mike Mayock has Martin coming off the board at No. 9 to the Buffalo Bills. If that happens, he’d be the first ND player at any position to go in the top 10 since defensive tackle Bryant Young (seventh) in 1994 and the first Irish offensive lineman to go come off the board in the first 10 picks since tackle George Kunz went second overall — one pick behind Heisman Trophy winner O.J. Simpson — in the 1969 draft.
And the fact Martin played for three different offensive line coaches, three different offensive coordinators and two different head coaches could actually work in his favor.
“If anything, it makes him more coachable, which will help him in the league,” Taylor said. “What happens quite a bit, if a guy can only block one particular way and he’s set in his ways, then that’s quite a disadvantage for that young man at that point.
“At Green Bay, they taught me to pass block the exact opposite way that (former ND line coach) Joe Moore taught us to do it. And it freaked me out. I came from a dude who made us take our freaking helmets off to teach us to keep our heads back and not lunge forward, and they were basically telling me I needed to run block when I was going to do a five-step pass block.
“It was out-of-the-world different, but you’ve got to do what they ask you to do. And you figure it out.”
The next three ND players to have their names called after Martin figure to be three of ND’s four early entries. Only Nix — of the group that includes Tuitt, Niklas and Atkinson — will pick up his degree next weekend.
“I had that same decision to make after my junior year, which was an All-American season,” Taylor said. “I personally didn’t feel like I was ready physically for the NFL at that time. I wasn’t confident enough in my game yet. I think that was external interest that was swirling and I just responded to it versus an internal interest that made its way outside.
“I talked with (head coach Lou) Holtz, I talked with Joe Moore, my position coach. They felt if I left, I would be OK, but that I would be better if I stayed. And they reminded me why I came to Notre Dame in the first place, which was to get a degree.
“And I’ll tell you what, when I blew my patella tendon out on day four in underwear up at Green Bay in a one-on-one drills, I was really happy I had that degree.”
Now Martin has that, and it appears a big shot of redemption.
“You just have to look at the film, and it’s obvious he’s an All-American,” Taylor said. “His consistency is what jumps out at you. And while getting that honor would have been nice, the proof will come out in the pudding on Thursday night about just what type of football player Zack Martin is.”
 

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And another one:

Harry Hiestand Knew It All Along

Every time Notre Dame offensive line coach Harry Hiestand walks past the wall of Fighting Irish football first-team All-Americans, he feels a sense of remorse.


Zack Martin was a rock of consistency while starting a record 52 straight games at left tackle from 2010-13.

How Zack Martin is not up there gnaws at Hiestand.

“I feel like putting a picture [of Martin] up there myself,” said Hiestand near the end of spring drills last month. “I’ve wondered whether I did enough publicly for him.”

Even prior to Martin returning for a fifth season in 2013, Hiestand was dumbfounded in December 2012 when Martin’s lone All-American notice came as a second team member on the Walter Camp list.

“I’m not really sure who makes those decisions,” said Hiestand of Martin getting mostly snubbed during the 12-0 regular season. “I watch an awful lot of film, so does our coaching staff. We don’t see anybody out there better than [Martin]. He’ll get [All-America] next year, I guess. I’ve had the opportunity to coach a lot of good players over the years, a lot of good offensive linemen … and Zack is outstanding.

“He does everything — power plays, runs inside zone, outside zone… — he’s a physical presence on the left side in the running game and he’s an excellent pass protector. I’d love to see the guy that somebody thinks is better than him, because I haven’t seen him.”

Just another coach trying to promote his guy?

“I don’t [B.S.] when I talk about someone like that,” said Hiestand, the offensive line coach for the Chicago Bears from 2005-09 who has developed several Pro Bowl performers in his 30 years as an instructor on the collegiate and NFL level.

In 2013, fifth-year senior Martin not only wasn’t named a first-team All-American by anybody, but he wasn’t even second, third … gracious, not even an honorable mention All-American. SI.com had 11 honorable mention All-American picks along the offensive line in addition to its top two teams, but no Martin.

When an all-time All-Underrated Notre Dame football team is assembled, Martin could be one of its captains — just like he was one of 18 in school history to serve in that role two seasons. His 52 consecutive starts are a Notre Dame record that might fall into the unbreakable category, and he graded out as the best offensive lineman four years in a row — a feat unlikely to be ever matched again at the school. He was even the first college football offensive lineman to be named the sole MVP in a college bowl game (Pinstripe Bowl versus Rutgers) since 1959.

Lo and behold, over the past several months and now on the day of the NFL Draft, he has been one of the fastest rising prospects. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock has Martin as the No. 9 overall prospect, and USA Today ranked him No. 10 in its top 50 players list. He has ascended from third- or second-round prospect to definite first round, top 20, top 15 …

There is a chance Martin could be the highest Notre Dame draft pick along the offensive line since 1969, when tackle George Kunz, a future eight-time Pro Bowl performer, was taken No. 2 overall, behind USC Heisman Trophy winning running back O.J. Simpson.

Since then, the four other Notre Dame offensive linemen selected in the first round were consensus All-America tackle Andy Heck (No. 15 in 1989), Lombardi Award winner guard/tackle Aaron Taylor (No. 16 in 1994), tackle Luke Petitgout (No. 19 in 1999) and All-America center Jeff Faine (No. 21 in 2003).

What is it that Hiestand saw that the rest of the football world just recently discovered? Even Notre Dame athletics director Jack Swarbrick asked Hiestand after the 2013 season why Martin is so overlooked.

“I’ve been telling everybody that as soon as the coaches start evaluating him, it will go like that,” Hiestand said. “I told Jack, ‘Watch how it goes. It will take a couple of weeks to evaluate their own players in the NFL, then they’ll get their list of draft eligible guys. And as soon they start doing the actual evaluations, then the whole thing will change for him.'

“It’s not like it’s a great secret, but when a football coach watches Zack Martin play, he can’t help but love him. Coaches didn’t watch him during the season because they had their own team to deal with.”

Martin’s stock skyrocketed during his work in the Senior Bowl against many of the nation’s premier defensive linemen or pass rushers. They included Pitt’s Aaron Donald to Stanford’s Trent Murphy, both of whom he also excelled against during the regular season despite Irish losses.

What particularly irked Hiestand was that because Martin was measured with shorter arms (32 7/8 inches in length), many scouts automatically pigeonholed him as a guard instead of a tackle.

“It’s a joke,” Hiestand said. “He’s a tackle. Now, if you want to play him at guard, that’s your decision — but you better have a really good tackle. If you have a (All-Pro) Ryan Clady, you’re obviously going to put him at guard, but I don’t see many Ryan Cladys out there.

“When you look at Zack Martin, you’ve got to look at the film. You put on the film, it’s stunning. He’s an All-American, a two-time captain at Notre Dame, and he’ll be an All-Pro lineman in the NFL.”

When it comes to Zack Martin, doubt Hiestand at your own risk.

Love having Hiestand on the staff more and more every time I see him discussing the team and players.
 
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It really is a travesty that Martin was never 1st team AA. He played 4 years of great football, and he is probably one of the greatest linemen in Notre Dame history. He's going to kill it in the pros.
 

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really hope zach is still there for the Gmen at 12

then go get troy

ps i think beatty is done
 

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In 2013, fifth-year senior Martin not only wasn’t named a first-team All-American by anybody, but he wasn’t even second, third … gracious, not even an honorable mention All-American. SI.com had 11 honorable mention All-American picks along the offensive line in addition to its top two teams, but no Martin.

I didn't even realize this. That's just straight up criminal.
 

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I didn't even realize this. That's just straight up criminal.

I went on a pretty big rant about this crap. The guy captained an OL that was close to THE best in the NCAA in sacks allowed... protecting the statuesque Tommy Rees... in an offense with a LOT of dropbacks.

He had as close to a perfect season as you can have at his position. And got ZERO recognition.

The #1 thing I'm watching for in the draft is where Martin gets drafted relative to Lewan. That's so intriguing to me.
 

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I didn't even realize this. That's just straight up criminal.

Agreed, but in a few hours he'll have millions of reasons to get over it while many who did get their name on the popularity list will still be wondering where they will play next year.
 

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Zach was on a local sports station here in Indy today. He was invited to NY, but turned them down. Said he preferred to share the moment with family and friends. He also said he thinks his brother will be better than him by the time he graduates.
 

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I went on a pretty big rant about this crap. The guy captained an OL that was close to THE best in the NCAA in sacks allowed... protecting the statuesque Tommy Rees... in an offense with a LOT of dropbacks.

He had as close to a perfect season as you can have at his position. And got ZERO recognition.

The #1 thing I'm watching for in the draft is where Martin gets drafted relative to Lewan. That's so intriguing to me.

I've only seen Lewan going first, but there seems to be some momentum behind Martin going top 10. Are you thinking someone might take Martin first?
 

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Zach was on a local sports station here in Indy today. He was invited to NY, but turned them down. Said he preferred to share the moment with family and friends. He also said he thinks his brother will be better than him by the time he graduates.

Damn, missed it. And I certainly hope so!!!
 
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Other than his less than ideal arm length I have read that he could play at any of the OL positions in the NFL at a high level. Most people like him at guard or center.

I also am shocked he did not get All-American at all. Ridiculous.
 

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No. 16 Notre Dame OL Martin off the board I think ND is going to go on a 5-6 year run of 1st round offensive lineman picks.
 
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