Jameis Winston Decision 2pm

[NDWorld247]

Maybe so, but the coverup by the FSU, campus police and local police department ruined any chance of proving his innocence.
Does anyone really believe the campus police officer did not contact the athletic department and/or the football coach?
How did a super football booster police officer get assigned to the case, who immediately deep-sixed the investigation? Are we to believe he had no contact with FSU and the football department?
Are we to believe that it was impossible for the police to identify the suspects described by the victim as black, very big, muscular, athletic FSU students, one of whom was named Chris, at a football school? The ID was made by the victim a couple of months later when she identified him from a chance encounter in a class a year before he became famous. If she were a "gold digger" why the delay and how could she be this perceptive as to his future?
The girl's story screams date rape drug. Why was not a urine test preformed in the ER as part of the investigation?

Ummm, isn't it innocent until proven guilty? That's the problem. Everyone convicted him based on the actions of the police department, and because he talks funny. As I said, I'm not getting into the rape allegation.

 

[Irish Insanity]

It's all Sterling's fault. He probably owns the store the crabs were stolen from. Which means they probably had a unwritten rule that only allowed white people to buy the expensive foods.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I did plenty of stupid stuff when I was a 19 or 20 year old college student. OTOH, I wasn't a Heisman winner or celebrity. You gotta know when you're in his position that you have to walk a straighter line and be aware that your every move is scrutinized and fodder for the press. The kid hasn't shown much maturity or the ability to think about what he's doing. Hopefully he'll grow up, but right now he's just looking like a world class numbskull.

 

[IrishLion]

Once, I asked for a water cup at a fast food place but put Coke in it instead. Refilled it THREE times.

Had a BB gun battle with some friends in my cul-de-sac back in the day. Didn't have the cops called though.

Also, I went to the local big liquor store and went into the humidor to pick up a couple cigars. I picked them out, put them in the little plastic baggy they provide with some matches, and then put the baggy in my hoody pocket when I grabbed a couple of six packs. Forgot to take the baggy out of my pocket when I got to the register. Didn't realize my mistake until I got home and pulled the cigars out of my pocket.

 

[FLDomer]

Once, I asked for a water cup at a fast food place but put Coke in it instead. Refilled it THREE times.

Had a BB gun battle with some friends in my cul-de-sac back in the day. Didn't have the cops called though.

Also, I went to the local big liquor store and went into the humidor to pick up a couple cigars. I picked them out, put them in the little plastic baggy they provide with some matches, and then put the baggy in my hoody pocket when I grabbed a couple of six packs. Forgot to take the baggy out of my pocket when I got to the register. Didn't realize my mistake until I got home and pulled the cigars out of my pocket.

Did your BB shoot out lead to $4,500 in damages to private property?

How big where those Cigars.....I can bet you the crab legs and crawfish were a lil bigger

I understand boys will do stupid things (I was not perfect) but making excuses for the pattern of stupid decisions is ridiculous.....

 

[NDWorld247]

I understand boys will do stupid things (I was not perfect) but making excuses for the pattern of stupid decisions is ridiculous.....

Almost as ridiculous as coming to conclusions on his intelligence by the way he talks...

But, you're right about some stupid decisions. I'm not defending or making excuses for poor decisions, but I would caution on taking what's reported as gospel re: these incidents.

I have a major problem with this verbiage; it was not "intercourse with a wasted girl," it was sexual assault. Get a copy of the SANE report and see how he tore her up. And then call it intercourse. Just because the prosecutor, police, and the university all contributed to whitewashing this thing, doesn't mean it wasn't rape. Do you know how many rapes go unprosecuted each year?

Care to enlighten us on the numbers? While you're at it, throw in the number of false accusations for good measure.

 

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[Bogtrotter07]

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Care to enlighten us on the numbers? While you're at it, throw in the number of false accusations for good measure.

Being closely related to more than one SANE Nurse.

49.6% of violent crimes are reported by victims.
55.4% of sexual assaults are reported by victims.

(Just to start.)

Over 500,000 Sane rape test kits sit on shelves in this country and have been yet to be tested.

The kit from Jameis Winston's case sat on the shelf for 39 days. It came back with semen and blood, and good DNA. Eventually the DNA was matched to Jameis. If you read carefully, this actually happened after the prosecutor had a press conference declining to prosecute Jameis.

 

[wizards8507]

The kit from Jameis Winston's case sat on the shelf for 39 days. It came back with semen and blood, and good DNA.

If that's your standard of proof for rape, then you'd better lock up every single person who's ever had sex with anyone. Ever.

 

[Woneone]

If that's your standard of proof for rape, then you'd better lock up every single person who's ever had sex with anyone. Ever.

The only posters left on IE would be the ones posting in the Star Wars thread.

 

[wizards8507]

The only posters left on IE would be the ones posting in the Star Wars thread.

And the married ones, amirite?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If that's your standard of proof for rape, then you'd better lock up every single person who's ever had sex with anyone. Ever.

This is the most ridiculous contortion of a statement I have seen on the thread.

I was talking about the number of kits that regularly aren't processed in a timely fashion. The case against Winston is as a couple posters have said screams of date rape drug. All her statements were consistent with rape. The m.o. of Winston and his two thug friends was consistent with rape. The kids had video showing them wanting to jump in, which they bragged about and showed to a number of people until someone told them, "Dude, this looks like a rape!" Then it was deleted.

There was blood. Hers. Semen. His. And her report in the Sane kit showed excessive vaginal tearing consistent with (forcible) rape. Translation : if you were a father you would be crying and if you had any balls looking for someone with a shotgun. The two SANE nurses I know, looked at the report information available. It was a rape. Trust me.

 

[wizards8507]

This is the most ridiculous contortion of a statement I have seen on the thread.

I was talking about the number of kits that regularly aren't processed in a timely fashion. The case against Winston is as a couple posters have said screams of date rape drug. All her statements were consistent with rape. The m.o. of Winston and his two thug friends was consistent with rape. The kids had video showing them wanting to jump in, which they bragged about and showed to a number of people until someone told them, "Dude, this looks like a rape!" Then it was deleted.

There was blood. Hers. Semen. His. And her report in the Sane kit showed excessive vaginal tearing consistent with (forcible) rape. Translation : if you were a father you would be crying and if you had any balls looking for someone with a shotgun. The two SANE nurses I know, looked at the report information available. It was a rape. Trust me.

What part of "beyond a reasonable doubt" eludes you? Maybe it was a rape, how the hell should I know, but the fact is that it didn't meet the burden of proof requirements to convict anyone of rape. "It was a rape. Trust you" isn't good enough to throw someone in prison for 25 years.

EDIT: Not to get too graphic here, but neither vaginal tearing nor blood are particularly convincing, either. A rape kit does a wonderful job of proving that penetration occurred, but it isn't as foolproof as you seem to think at distinguishing between rape and consensual sex. I'm positive that there's all sorts of consensual sex that would "pop" as consensual sex in a rape kit.

 

[connor_in]

You guys seem to be talking about two separate things. It appears that Bogs is talking about what people with experience are drawing conclusions towards based off what it available evidence-wise and how it matches up to past cases. Wizard on the other hand is simply looking at it from a purely legal standpoint.

I personally don't know for sure if he did or didn't, but 1) it certainly doesn't sound good from Jameis perspective legally or not; & 2) with the law, there is what you can prove in court and what really happened, they don't always match up

 

[irish1958]

There was "no evidence" of rape because the FSU football booster police"officer" deep-sixed the investigation, did not obtain any evidence and did not do the most basic investigation. The chance to exonerate Winston was lost.
I am a physician and have had to deal with rape and as a pediatrician, rape of infants and children. It is beyond ugly, and the statements to downplay the seriousness of the ordeal this young lady had to endure at the hands of the campus police, city police, FSU administration, FSU athletic department and the defense attorneys is beyond callous.
I hope she sues everyone involved and collects an enormous punitive damage from all concerned.
I have two daughters and two grand daughters. I can't imagine this happening to one of them. How would any of you feel if this (re-read the NY Times report) happened to your daughter or grand daughter in her freshman year at Notre Dame?
I feel so strongly the FSU is responsible that I would like to see ND cancel the up coming game with that bunch of monsters.
Why don't the women of ND form a committee to investigate this solution?

 

[FLDomer]

I have a major problem with this verbiage; it was not "intercourse with a wasted girl," it was sexual assault. Get a copy of the SANE report and see how he tore her up. And then call it intercourse. Just because the prosecutor, police, and the university all contributed to whitewashing this thing, doesn't mean it wasn't rape. Do you know how many rapes go unprosecuted each year?

Bogs, personally I believe JW raped that girls, but that is my just my opinion. The reason for the verbiage of intercourse was in to repond to 247s post and state things that are known to be facts about JW. He was not found guilty, in fact, of sexual assault or rape, although you and I seem to be in agreement that the sex was not consensual but do not have untainted proof to otherwise, unfortunately.

Now, in response to 247, I never judged JW by the way he talks.

 

[irish1958]

"Intercourse on a wasted girl" is by definition rape as she is unable to give consent. Besides, she was apparently administered a date rape drug as they were leaving potbellies (spelling?). Refer to her statement as quoted in the NY Times article.

 

[mgriff]

Here's a link to a collection of some funny photoshop jobs from Twitter. Jameis Winston crab leg jokes, Photoshopped photos owning Twitter | Saturday Down South

 

[ab2cmiller]

55 schools facing Title IX sex assault probes - ESPN

Fifty-five colleges and universities -- big and small, public and private -- are being investigated over their handling of sexual abuse complaints, the Education Department revealed Thursday.

The department's release of the list is unprecedented and comes as the Obama administration seeks to shed greater light on the issue of sexual assault in higher education and how it is being handled.

It looks like about half the schools on our schedule are on the list as well as some of our other Favs like PSU and pOSU

State Institution
AZ Arizona State University
CA Butte-Glen Community College District
CA Occidental College
CA University of California-Berkeley
CA University of Southern California
CO Regis University
CO University of Colorado at Boulder
CO University of Colorado at Denver
CO University of Denver
CT University of Connecticut
DC Catholic University of America
FL Florida State University
GA Emory University
HI University of Hawaii at Manoa
ID University of Idaho
IL Knox College
IL University of Chicago
IN Indiana University-Bloomington
IN Vincennes University
MA Amherst College
MA Boston University
MA Emerson College
MA Harvard College
MA Harvard University—Law School
MA University of Massachusetts-Amherst
MD Frostburg State University
MI Michigan State University
MI University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
NC Guilford College
NC University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
ND Minot State University
NH Dartmouth College
NJ Princeton University
NY Cuny Hunter College
NY Hobart and William Smith Colleges
NY Sarah Lawrence College
NY Suny at Binghamton
OH Denison University
OH Ohio State University
OH Wittenberg University
OK Oklahoma State University
PA Carnegie Mellon University
PA Franklin and Marshall College
PA Pennsylvania State University
PA Swarthmore College
PA Temple University
TN Vanderbilt University
TX Southern Methodist University
TX The University of Texas-Pan American
VA College of William and Mary
VA University of Virginia
WA Washington State University
WI University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
WV Bethany College
WV West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine

 

[wizards8507]

55 schools facing Title IX sex assault probes - ESPN

This is a steaming pile and nothing more than a political football. If there was anything legitimate it wouldn't be a Department of Education inquiry under Title IX, it would be a Department of Justice inquiry under the RICO Act.

Watch out for those hoodlums at the West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine.

 

[dshans]

As to the least serious of his dunderhead moves (of those we know about):

Maybe he was just "cramming" for an Astronomy exam –

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Or a Culinary Arts project.

Or a Crustacean Dissection Lab.

Or he's a Cancer and thought this would be less likely to get him in trouble (also less painful) than getting a free tattoo.

 

[Huntr]

This is a steaming pile and nothing more than a political football. If there was anything legitimate it wouldn't be a Department of Education inquiry under Title IX, it would be a Department of Justice inquiry under the RICO Act.

Maybe so, but I'm still gonna be smug about there being 5 B1G schools on that list.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

If there was anything legitimate it wouldn't be a Department of Education inquiry under Title IX, it would be a Department of Justice inquiry under the RICO Act.

I don't understand this statement.

 

[NDWorld247]

Now, in response to 247, I never judged JW by the way he talks.

I know you didn't, and my comment wasn't directed at you but rather those that do judge his intelligence by the way he talks. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[pkt77242]

This is a steaming pile and nothing more than a political football. If there was anything legitimate it wouldn't be a Department of Education inquiry under Title IX, it would be a Department of Justice inquiry under the RICO Act.

Watch out for those hoodlums at the West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine.

Why would this fall under the RICO act? I don't see the linkage at all unless I am missing something as there is no ties to organized crime.

Also I am guessing that the threshold of proof is lower for a title IX investigation than the FBI.

Why couldn't the West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine being covering up sexual assaults? Why is that so hard to believe? I believe this list was made from complaints that the Department of Education received, so if a couple of current or former students complained to them the the University is going to get looked at.

 

[wizards8507]

I don't understand this statement.

Why would this fall under the RICO act? I don't see the linkage at all unless I am missing something as there is no ties to organized crime.

Also I am guessing that the threshold of proof is lower for a title IX investigation than the FBI.

Why couldn't the West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine being covering up sexual assaults? Why is that so hard to believe? I believe this list was made from complaints that the Department of Education received, so if a couple of current or former students complained to them the the University is going to get looked at.

The department of education has literally no business investigating what would amount to massive criminal conspiracies to cover up felony sexual assault. That would make these schools criminal organizations.

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[irish1958]

This is a steaming pile and nothing more than a political football. If there was anything legitimate it wouldn't be a Department of Education inquiry under Title IX, it would be a Department of Justice inquiry under the RICO Act.

Watch out for those hoodlums at the West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine.

Or, perhaps, we have a massive problem at the campuses of major Universities in this country.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

The department of education has literally no business investigating what would amount to massive criminal conspiracies to cover up felony sexual assault. That would make these schools criminal organizations.

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I think you're misunderstanding jurisdiction here. The schools' legal obligation to investigate sexual misconduct arises out of Title IX. The grounds for enactment of Title IX is the spending power - schools don't HAVE to abide by it, they have to abide by it to receive federal funding.

The RICO Act is a conspiracy statute which requires an independent grounds for federal jurisdiction. That is, the crimes basically must involve interstate commerce in some form.

As the US Supreme Court already ruled in United States v. Morrison, sexual assault does not generally satisfy this requirement.

The fact that the DOE is the investigating authority doesn't tell us anything about the underlying validity of the claims.

 

[philipm31]

I did plenty of stupid stuff when I was a 19 or 20 year old college student. OTOH, I wasn't a Heisman winner or celebrity. You gotta know when you're in his position that you have to walk a straighter line and be aware that your every move is scrutinized and fodder for the press. The kid hasn't shown much maturity or the ability to think about what he's doing. Hopefully he'll grow up, but right now he's just looking like a world class numbskull.

He was NOT a Heisman winner when the alleged rape took place, nor was he the starting QB. She made these allegations LONG before he became famous.

So, yeah, he needs to be smarter at decision making that is for sure.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

There was "no evidence" of rape because the FSU football booster police"officer" deep-sixed the investigation, did not obtain any evidence and did not do the most basic investigation. The chance to exonerate Winston was lost.
I am a physician and have had to deal with rape and as a pediatrician, rape of infants and children. It is beyond ugly, and the statements to downplay the seriousness of the ordeal this young lady had to endure at the hands of the campus police, city police, FSU administration, FSU athletic department and the defense attorneys is beyond callous.
I hope she sues everyone involved and collects an enormous punitive damage from all concerned.
I have two daughters and two grand daughters. I can't imagine this happening to one of them. How would any of you feel if this (re-read the NY Times report) happened to your daughter or grand daughter in her freshman year at Notre Dame?
I feel so strongly the FSU is responsible that I would like to see ND cancel the up coming game with that bunch of monsters.
Why don't the women of ND form a committee to investigate this solution?

Just got back and was going over the thread. This is one of the best posts I have ever seen and echoes the sentiment of anyone I know that has seen any or all of the information related to this case, with professional experience dealing with the said.

In fact I just talked to a retired detective from my neck of the woods yesterday, and he has followed this case to some degree. I asked him what he thought. And he said, "Are you kidding?" Forgetting the exact wording, after the inquest he thought up here a grand jury would already have been called and the prosecutor would have already filed charges.

I also have a friend who is a pediatrician certified to examine child rape cases, and know a psychologist and a psychiatrist that work with the police and victims. They say that most cases are clearer than you think, except when no perp can be identified.

Without overstepping my knowledge base, from what I understand their is quite a bit of forensic difference between rough consensual sex, and rape. Victimology also shines a lot of light on the problem. What Irish1958, my own personal hero, has told you is that he can read a potential victim's actions and get a good idea as to whether a crime was committed.