Jameis Winston Decision 2pm

[ThePiombino]

Should Academics Factor Into Heisman Voting? | The Big Lead

Isn't there already an "academic Heisman" award? The Campbell trophy I believe.

 

[kmoose]

Should Academics Factor Into Heisman Voting? | The Big Lead

I'm not sure that academics should matter, in terms of differing GPAs being the deciding factor, but I sure as hell think that character should matter.......... a LOT!!

From the Heisman Mission Statement:

The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. With integrity..... that right there says that character SHOULD count. Guys like Reggie Bush, Troy Smith, Johnny Douchebag....... none of these guys should have been awarded a Heisman!!

 

[ickythump1225]

I knew it wasn't gonna be too long before somebody had a "holier than you" comment about his acceptance speech. He prob was nervous as hell.. give him a break.

The man is a college sophomore, is it "holier than thou" to expect someone who is half way to a Bachelor's degree to be able to structure a speech so it makes sense? I could have given a more eloquent speech when I was in 8th grade. Sure it was no Eddie Lacy "speech" or anything but still you can tell he probably isn't attending many classes in Tallahassee. That's not just a knock on him mind you because it speaks to an overarching problem in college football.

 

[ickythump1225]

Didn't hear the speech (and frankly not interested in listening to it), but was it that bad? How so? Just curious.

It wasn't as bad this:
Courtney Upshaw MVP Speech - YouTube
But it wasn't exactly the height of eloquence. Perhaps I'm being a curmudgeon but I just hate watching these "student"-athletes murder the English language. These kids are getting to attend prestigious universities with their education paid for and it irks me to see how they're scamming the system. It is clear after watching some of these alleged "speeches" that there exists much evidence that the "student" part of "student-athlete" has become absolutely meaningless. Is it too much to ask that these kids in supposed "higher education" can put together speeches: A) that have all of the words pronounced properly, B) proper grammar, and C) have a logical sentence structure and are clearly dictated?

 

[DillonHall]

It wasn't as bad this:
Courtney Upshaw MVP Speech - YouTube
But it wasn't exactly the height of eloquence. Perhaps I'm being a curmudgeon but I just hate watching these "student"-athletes murder the English language. These kids are getting to attend prestigious universities with their education paid for and it irks me to see how they're scamming the system. It is clear after watching some of these alleged "speeches" that there exists little evidence the "student" part of "student-athlete" has become absolutely meaningless. Is it too much to ask that these kids in supposed "higher education" can put together speeches: A) that have all of the words pronounced properly, B) proper grammar, and C) have a logical sentence structure and are clearly dictated?

The schools are benefitting just as much (if not much, much more) than the players

 

[dshans]

... Perhaps I'm being a curmudgeon but I just hate watching these "student"-athletes murder the English language. These kids are getting to attend prestigious universities with their education paid for and it irks me to see how they're scamming the system. It is clear after watching some of these alleged "speeches" that there exists little evidence the "student" part of "student-athlete" has become absolutely meaningless. Is it too much to ask that these kids in supposed "higher education" can put together speeches: A) that have all of the words pronounced properly, B) proper grammar, and C) have a logical sentence structure and are clearly dictated?

I agree. Howsomever, I think that "ample" rather than "little" would be more fitting in context.

What little public speaking I've done was done in high school standing at a podium. I had no script, just a concept and a goal. I like to think that I spoke well. Who knows? There are no audio or audio/video records.

 

[Huntr]

So, the NY Times did an investigative report on wtf the Tallahassee cops and FSU were doing during their "investigation" of Winston's rape accusations. Turns out, not much. Read this whole thing. It's pretty damning. This was totally blown off by the cops and university in the name of protecting the football team. Anyone who knows anything about this town and it's deference for college football as the only mildly engaging aspect of its inhabitants' lives will not find this shocking.

An aside, there's a slight ND a connection: he had 2 supporting witnesses, one of which was Ron Darby.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

What the fuck

In his announcement, the prosecutor, William N. Meggs, acknowledged a number of shortcomings in the police investigation. In fact, an examination by The New York Times has found that there was virtually no investigation at all, either by the police or the university.

The police did not follow the obvious leads that would have quickly identified the suspect as well as witnesses, one of whom videotaped part of the sexual encounter. After the accuser identified Mr. Winston as her assailant, the police did not even attempt to interview him for nearly two weeks and never obtained his DNA.

The detective handling the case waited two months to write his first report and then prematurely suspended his inquiry without informing the accuser. By the time the prosecutor got the case, important evidence had disappeared, including the video of the sexual act.

. . .

Officer Pate’s blunt interviewing style did not help, the student said. “The first thing he asked me,” she recounted, “was if I was sure this was rape or if I just didn’t want a baby or wanted the morning after pill.” He also made comments, she said, “like, ‘Are you sure you want to file a report? It will be very awkward, especially for a female.’”

In his complaint to the police, the father wrote that Officer Pate had suggested that an investigation “would be futile, as ‘this kind of stuff happens all the time here.’” The family also said the police had focused more on the accuser than on the accused.

 

[IrishLion]

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Tallahassee chief's office today, or even in the Florida State administrative offices.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Huntr, there was a lot posted in another thread about this. This article downplayed Darby's involvement. Both, of Winston's friends were accessories from every other account I have ever heard.

We could talk about the case until we are blue in the face. I will tell you my opinion and it is colored by having three sons and four daughters, including an 18 year old daughter who is high school senior who is leaving for college in a few months.

My older sons behaved respectfully, always, but were still very active in their dating lives.

My daughters have been taught to value themselves highly, and to not let anyone take anything from them they don't want to give.

I participated in teaching them all, a healthy approach to sex. Somewhere short of abstinence, but certainly that it was special. I tried to teach them all not to get involved with people that "take" from you.

But with all that I still worry and could not imagine. One of the schools my daughter was considering was FSU. Ironically, it has a good law enforcement program. What I found is that FSU has as few sexual assaults because of the way issues are handled. I think there is a big difference between schools on the list; some of the schools with fewer reported incidents are because they have populations of victims that do not self advocate, and it is so hard to get the incidents reported and investigated by authorities.

That is definitely true for FSU. Florida has more registered sexual offenders, and a higher rate of sexual assault and related incidents that any other state in the Union, except maybe Alaska, (sexual assaults).

The most incredibly synchronistic irony of this whole article was a paragraph buried in the middle. This is just my opinion, but what do you think?

Officer Angulo has done private security work for the Seminole Boosters, a nonprofit organization, with nearly $150 million in assets, that is the primary financier of Florida State athletics, according to records and a lawyer for the boosters. It also paid roughly a quarter of the $602,000 salary of the university president, Eric Barron, who was recently named president of Penn State.

 

[jerboski]

Wow, is all I can say! This case was poorly handled by the police department. I am prior law enforcement and I cant imagine handling an investigation in this manner. I am not saying he is guilty however how did they not get the tapes from the bar and furthermore why did it take them so long to speak to the accused and potential witnesses such as his roommates. The video would have been huge for this investigation instead the police department took forever to investigate and what really blows my mind is they say she wasn't cooperating and there was a lack of investigative leads which is crazy!

Lastly, FSU should be shamed for their handling of this case. They were informed of the situation and didn't even speak or investigate the matter instead just lets them play, what a joke!

 

[ulukinatme]

But hey, the Heisman still stands for integrity!

 

[Huntr]

Officer Angulo has done private security work for the Seminole Boosters, a nonprofit organization, with nearly $150 million in assets, that is the primary financier of Florida State athletics, according to records and a lawyer for the boosters. It also paid roughly a quarter of the $602,000 salary of the university president, Eric Barron, who was recently named president of Penn State.

Yeah, that info got around at the time. That dude does security at the booster tailgate for home games. Guy's a total jock-sniffer and he's the 1 in charge of the investigation? According to popular opinion here, that is totally not a conflict of interest, either.

The irony of Barron heading to Penn St and their problems with the FB program reaching god status is not lost on me.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The way society idolizes celebrities and athletes has really put a bad taste in my mouth. I feel like I can't even enjoy a simple sporting event anymore because of the all the corruption that permeates within it.

 

[gkIrish]

Nothing will come of this.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Nothing will come of this.

Everything now depends on the Department of Education.

 

[Rizzophil]

Any there been any other reports from major newspapers?

(This is not intended to be a political slant) However, the New York Tomes ran a story about Benghazi after 'they' collected all of the facts. It was a total glorification of the Obama regime and a blatant denial of all of the registered cables/transmissions.

The Times has lost a ton of journalism integrity. Most professionals I know read it as an extreme and comparable to MSNBC

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Any there been any other reports from major newspapers?

(This is not intended to be a political slant) However, the New York Tomes ran a story about Benghazi after 'they' collected all of the facts. It was a total glorification of the Obama regime and a blatant denial of all of the registered cables/transmissions.

The Times has lost a ton of journalism integrity. Most professionals I know read it as an extreme and comparable to MSNBC

Professional what? Most? MSNBC?

 

[Emcee77]

Any there been any other reports from major newspapers?

(This is not intended to be a political slant) However, the New York Tomes ran a story about Benghazi after 'they' collected all of the facts. It was a total glorification of the Obama regime and a blatant denial of all of the registered cables/transmissions.

The Times has lost a ton of journalism integrity. Most professionals I know read it as an extreme and comparable to MSNBC

Wait what? Most "professionals"? Which professionals? To me the term "professional" by itself refers to anyone who practices a profession, usually a scholarly profession, like medicine, law, accountancy. I promise you that a LOT of those people read the NY Times as a primary news source. It won 4 Pulitzers in 2013. It's one of this country's flagship news publications.

 

[Rizzophil]

Again, I'm not trying to play the liberal journalism slant here. There are other threads for that and everyone can have there own opinion.

Has the story about Winston been reported anywhere else?

 

[ResLife Hero]

I thought this was a well done (albeit, colorful) piece on why the article's investigation was relevant and remains relevant even when no future trial is likely.

IT'S RELEVANT. - Every Day Should Be Saturday

Because sexual assault is a crime, and should be treated as such by all parties, even if it involves football and the media and the batshit insanity that is sports. And when it's not, when it's made into either a means of silencing victims or hounding the innocent, that's a goddamn shame, and we should report on it and talk about it until it stops fucking happening.

We still don't know what really happened in this case. The investigation was a crock, and neither Jameis Winston nor the alleged victim were served by it. All we know is that this keeps happening, and is still happening, and will probably happen again. And that's pretty damn relevant.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Again, I'm not trying to play the liberal journalism slant here. There are other threads for that and everyone can have there own opinion.

Has the story about Winston been reported anywhere else?

It was an investigative piece by NYT. I don't know what you mean by asking if others reported it. It was their investigation. I'm sure others have run it. Tell me who you trust and I will check if they ran it.

Edit: actually, since you're on the internet, just google it and click news and see who has it

 

[Huntr]

Again, I'm not trying to play the liberal journalism slant here. There are other threads for that and everyone can have there own opinion.

Has the story about Winston been reported anywhere else?

You can go on any FSU fan site (e.g., Tomahawk Nation, or even check out the tweets from the apologists at the Tallahassee Democrat) and they all say that the story is worthless, since all the information contained therein was well known by anyone paying attention to the story over the last year. I'd say that's a pretty good indication the author got his facts straight.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It was an investigative piece by NYT. I don't know what you mean by asking if others reported it. It was their investigation. I'm sure others have run it. Tell me who you trust and I will check if they ran it.

Edit: actually, since you're on the internet, just google it and click news and see who has it

I think he means was, were regularly reported articles published about how the rape kit sat on a shelf at the TPD for 39 days before it was even sent for processing, and how it was almost a year before the FSU conducted their Title IX hearing, and how the defendant's attorney had to call a press conference to show how the prosecutor was disingenuous when they stated their wasn't evidence to prosecute (as they so stated in their famous 2PM press conference?) Yes.

But that doesn't change anything.

All of this has been reported and the subject of articles and blogs since the first FSU football blog suggested that those athletes that busted the window get busted from the program before they asked who they were. Then the blogs saw fit for a more amenable solution. The BB gun vandalism, the first sexual assault, and the second sexual assault were all documented, and written about. That is just how it goes.

 

[pkt77242]

I will just leave this here. Looks like FSU called off the Title IX investigation because Winston wouldn't talk to them. Nice work FSU.

Jameis Winston still under fire for rape allegation

 

[philipm31]

Is that a rhetorical question??

 

[Huntr]

1st gm of the yr is Okie Lite, 2nd is Citadel. Watch there be some sort of appeal process or a "thorough investigation" that takes just enough time to let them play the 1st, but sit the 2nd.

 

[IrishLax]

Anyone see the story on Deadspin about the woman who was shot and raped by an FSU player in the 90s? And Bobby Bowden wrote him a character reference letter to get him a lesser sentence?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I will just leave this here. Looks like FSU called off the Title IX investigation because Winston wouldn't talk to them. Nice work FSU.

Jameis Winston still under fire for rape allegation

Also, please note that both others including Darby were charged with student code violations, unlike what the NYT article reported.

 

[IrishLax]

Honestly, I'm worried I had the wrong take on this case. Every report from "sources" people trust seemed to apply that there was nothing to the allegations. Recent information is quite troubling.