Johnny Football

[Irish#1]

I would assume that this isn't the case, since he and his family were quick to go after the official "Johnny Football" moniker.

I think it's more likely that he's trying to cash in on his college success by trademarking a lasting connection to A&M, or at least the stadium, for monetary purposes.

I think that's probably his thinking, but A&M could easily argue that they had the stadium expansion in the works before he came along. Once again though, I will say I don't see any real profit to be made off of "The House that Johnny Built" as opposed to "JF".

 

[ulukinatme]

I think that's probably his thinking, but A&M could easily argue that they had the stadium expansion in the works before he came along. Once again though, I will say I don't see any real profit to be made off of "The House that Johnny Built" as opposed to "JF".

I agree. I can't imagine what he hopes to gain with this, unless he's getting his own "Cribs" or "The Osborne's/Manziels" reality show or something.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think that's probably his thinking, but A&M could easily argue that they had the stadium expansion in the works before he came along. Once again though, I will say I don't see any real profit to be made off of "The House that Johnny Built" as opposed to "JF".

I agree. I can't imagine what he hopes to gain with this, unless he's getting his own "Cribs" or "The Osborne's/Manziels" reality show or something.

He's expecting to receive royalties every time someone sells something with "Johnny Football" or "The House That Johnny Built" on it.

 

[dshans]

I'm going to the Johnny House that Manziel Built to drop a juicy deucey.

Just remember to hold your breath if you walk by.

 

[Bluto]

Is it possible to damn something eternally twice? Can a franchise suck that hard?

Apparently you're not a Raiders fan and or have not been following their personnel decisions for the past decade or so.

Anyhow I think JFF should grow and mullet and start a metal-rap band called Manzellica.

 

[philipm31]

It will show you mechanics, arm strength, etc. but it doesn't tell you anything about how they will develop in the NFL. Think Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen. Epic pro days, busts when they got to the league.

"The house that Johnny Built"... are you f'ing kidding me. What a huge douche.

BINGO!!!


And hey, guess what you will do in the NFL, play with players you have never played with before!!

You are giving this pro day idea waaaay too much credit.

There are just as many busts, probably moreso, than elite QBs that come out of their pro days.



Honestly, look at the SB WINNING QBS of the last decade.

How many of them had EPIC PRO DAYS and are elite QBs?

One, maybe two, the Manning brothers?

Peyton Manning (#1 overall), 1-2 SB record

Eli Manning (#4 pick), 2-0 SB record


Outside of those two though, none of these guys fit that category.


Drew Brees (2nd Rd), 1-0 SB record

Tom Brady (3rd Rd), 3-2 SB record

Aaron Rodgers (#24), 1-1 SB record

Ben Roethlisberger (#11 overall), 2-1 SB record

Russell Wilson (2nd Round), 1-0 SB Record

I guess it depends on when you start you decade, but that is a record of 11-6 in the SB and I would say that the large majority of them never had a pro day or needed one in order to get drafted. Sure the Pats got a steal in Brady, but the idea still stands that they never had a pro day, all are SB winners and I would say everyone except Wilson is already on track for a HOF bust right now.


All of them , not named Eli or Peyton, MADE their case for being drafted as high as they were AT THE COMBINE THROWING TO A BUNCH OF NEW RECEIVERS. The idea that you do not want them to try and throw to brand new receivers because you want them to look good is ENTIRELY proving the point that pro days are agent-driven exercises.

The ONLY reason they show up in droves is because that may be their one chance to see a QB perform in person, NOT because they plan on gleaning a lot of new information. They are probably there just to see if their suspicions are true...and I think that the trademark issue is entirely in line with what Zimmer was referring to with JFF.

You want to spend a first round pick on a guy who will represent your team well both on and off the field. Do you honestly think that JFF would be that guy?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Former NFL scout RT <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff">@JohnMiddlekauff</a> I've been told Johnny Football had the highest wonderlic test of all the top QB's in this years draft</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/statuses/454383561013882880">April 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[NDinL.A.]

And hey, guess what you will do in the NFL, play with players you have never played with before!!

You're taking that WAY out of context. Sure, they won't have played with them in a real game before, but they will go through 'voluntary' camps, OTA's, training camp, and countless other workouts that they will conduct with the receivers on their own. You think Peyton Manning and Tom Brady ever threw to their receivers cold turkey?

There are just as many busts, probably moreso, than elite QBs that come out of their pro days.

You could say the same thing about the combine.

Honestly, look at the SB WINNING QBS of the last decade. How many of them had EPIC PRO DAYS and are elite QBs?

One, maybe two, the Manning brothers?
Peyton Manning (#1 overall), 1-2 SB record
Eli Manning (#4 pick), 2-0 SB record

Outside of those two though, none of these guys fit that category.
Drew Brees (2nd Rd), 1-0 SB record
Tom Brady (3rd Rd), 3-2 SB record
Aaron Rodgers (#24), 1-1 SB record
Ben Roethlisberger (#11 overall), 2-1 SB record
Russell Wilson (2nd Round), 1-0 SB Record

I guess it depends on when you start you decade, but that is a record of 11-6 in the SB and I would say that the large majority of them never had a pro day or needed one in order to get drafted. Sure the Pats got a steal in Brady, but the idea still stands that they never had a pro day, all are SB winners and I would say everyone except Wilson is already on track for a HOF bust right now.
All of them , not named Eli or Peyton, MADE their case for being drafted as high as they were AT THE COMBINE THROWING TO A BUNCH OF NEW RECEIVERS. The idea that you do not want them to try and throw to brand new receivers because you want them to look good is ENTIRELY proving the point that pro days are agent-driven exercises.

It's a totally new age, so your argument about those other QB's is moot at this point. Most top guys don't throw at the combine anymore, so when you look at your list of Super Bowl winners over the next 10-20 years, it's going to look a LOT different, in the sense that the top QB's just throw at their pro days now.

Russell Wilson pretty much HAD to throw at the combine...he was a 3rd round pick. And I agree, he was smart to. He also threw at a pro day.

Not sure why you are on asuch a crusade with this, but I honestly don't give a crap either way...I'm much more of a film guy and a chalkboard guy for QB's, and as long as I get a chance to watch them throw (combine or pro day), I'm fine. Unless the guy shows he has a really weak arm, it's not a deal-breaker for me if I'm a scout.

You want to spend a first round pick on a guy who will represent your team well both on and off the field.

That's just not true for all owners/coaches. A lot of owners just want to win. You think Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson cared that his Cowboys were making so many headlines off the field? Not as long as they were winning. Why do you think guys like T.O. and Chad Johnson and Ben Rothlesberger and Randy Moss and Lawrence Taylor etc etc etc still had/have jobs and teams lined up to pay them despite all the drama they brought with them? Because they were producing. And that's why coaches continue to draft guys with serious red flags like Dez Bryant and Justin Blackmon. They want to win, image be damned.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnny Manziel's Wonderlic score (32) is best among 2014 draft QBs.

He also tops: Peyton Manning(28) Drew Brees(28) Russell Wilson(28)</p>— Numbers Never Lie (@ESPN_Numbers) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPN_Numbers/statuses/454641053409484800">April 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[koonja]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnny Manziel's Wonderlic score (32) is best among 2014 draft QBs.

He also tops: Peyton Manning(28) Drew Brees(28) Russell Wilson(28)</p>— Numbers Never Lie (@ESPN_Numbers) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPN_Numbers/statuses/454641053409484800">April 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I feel like an idiot. I took that wonderlic and got a 28 the other day. Johnny Manziel is smarter than me.

 

[philipm31]

You're taking that WAY out of context. Sure, they won't have played with them in a real game before, but they will go through 'voluntary' camps, OTA's, training camp, and countless other workouts that they will conduct with the receivers on their own. You think Peyton Manning and Tom Brady ever threw to their receivers cold turkey?



You could say the same thing about the combine.



It's a totally new age, so your argument about those other QB's is moot at this point. Most top guys don't throw at the combine anymore, so when you look at your list of Super Bowl winners over the next 10-20 years, it's going to look a LOT different, in the sense that the top QB's just throw at their pro days now.

Russell Wilson pretty much HAD to throw at the combine...he was a 3rd round pick. And I agree, he was smart to. He also threw at a pro day.

Not sure why you are on asuch a crusade with this, but I honestly don't give a crap either way...I'm much more of a film guy and a chalkboard guy for QB's, and as long as I get a chance to watch them throw (combine or pro day), I'm fine. Unless the guy shows he has a really weak arm, it's not a deal-breaker for me if I'm a scout.



That's just not true for all owners/coaches. A lot of owners just want to win. You think Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson cared that his Cowboys were making so many headlines off the field? Not as long as they were winning. Why do you think guys like T.O. and Chad Johnson and Ben Rothlesberger and Randy Moss and Lawrence Taylor etc etc etc still had/have jobs and teams lined up to pay them despite all the drama they brought with them? Because they were producing. And that's why coaches continue to draft guys with serious red flags like Dez Bryant and Justin Blackmon. They want to win, image be damned.

Jerry Jones just said that the Cowboys are the best TV program in the NFL. He never mentioned the fact that they have not made the playoffs in a decade.

Also, Jimmy Johnson was a shrewd judge of talent. That is why he sold Walker for a bushel of draft picks and he brought in Steve Walsh to push Aikman because he probably wanted to see how he stacked up with a modicum of pressure from a backup QB, which he likely never would have had at OU, where he originally committed (not sure how he would have translated into the Sooners offense back then, though) or at UCLA.

JOHNSON was all about WINNING, period. Jones, not so much. He just wanted to put out an entertaining product....and he still does.

And QBs are generally not given the long leash that guys like TO or Moss are/were, because they do NOT generally become the FACE of your franchise....which is why QBs are under a lot more scrutiny than any other position.

And I am sure you can find a ton of players who came out of the combine who were busts....since they have been running it for nearly forty years.

They have been scouting in the NFL for seventy years, doing a combine for nearly forty. I think that the needs for an offense obviously have changed, but logically speaking, the demands of the QB position have remained pretty darn solid.

Great decision making, STRONG leader, communication skills, pocket presence, ability to read defenses, and then the physical tools come in.

Not particularly impressed with most of those mental skills by JFF.

He literally has no pocket presence, his decision making could use a lot of work--especially at the SPEED NFL defenses play; I guess he is a pretty good leader, but honestly that is debatable when you look at his suspect personal foibles since he won the Heisman.

Also: Wonderlic test score don't always project success, failure in NFL - NFL - SI.com

HOF QBs who scored 16 or lower:

Bradshaw
Marino
Kelly

Alex Smith scored a 40
Christian Ponder scored a 35
Tom Brady scored a 33
Peyton Manning a 28
Ryan Leaf a 27

#JustSaying

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

 

[ACamp1900]

I feel like an idiot. I took that wonderlic and got a 28 the other day. Johnny Manziel is smarter than me.

Dan Patrick had a great discussion on the questions this morning:

1.) If you oversleep a QB camp who do you blame?

a.) yourself
b.) society
c.) AJ Macarrron


2.) Which of the following Casinos are NOT actually on the Las Vegas Strip?

a.) Hard Rock
c.) Wynn
d.) Belagio

3.) What is the best strategy for making money on signatures without losing amateur status??



Clearly JFF was at an unfair advantage...

 

[ClausentoTate]

Is 32 really the highest for a QB this year?

#TestThatJohnnyBuilt

 

[philipm31]

Sorry that my "multi paragraph rant" on JFF only included two sentences. But then again I am NOT talking about him. I am talking about the skills that it takes to be an elite NFL QB.

MOST NFL QBs do not have them and never will. It is what separates the elite from the very good and below.

In fact, my entire posts have NOT been about JFF in particular, at all, if one were to actually read them. They are about the fact that pro days cannot be used in a vacuum to predict success, nor can Wonderlic scores.

Decades of scouting, film study and in-person game attendance is where you will always make your decisions, period. That applies to EVERY QB and it always will, no matter how many things change in the coming decades.

Sorry if that offends some people's sensibilities, but it is a fact, no matter who the QB may be, from Manning to Wilson and everyone in between.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>Johnny Manziel was in a McDonald's commercial with LeBron James on Fox during <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Cosmos&src=hash">#Cosmos</a> (ht <a href="https://twitter.com/jarrettadams">@jarrettadams</a>) <a href="http://t.co/pV59cktCJp">pic.twitter.com/pV59cktCJp</a></p>— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/statuses/455518239074689024">April 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[clashmore_mike]

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[STLDomer]

Where Johnny learned his ways? Kingsbury is the man.

WATCH: Kliff Kingsbury dominates Texas Tech team dance-off

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

In fact, my entire posts have NOT been about JFF in particular, at all, if one were to actually read them. They are about the fact that pro days cannot be used in a vacuum to predict success, nor can Wonderlic scores.

Show me a single post that suggested either. You're arguing against claims that aren't in the thread. You're arguing against your own mind.

Decades of scouting, film study and in-person game attendance is where you will always make your decisions, period. That applies to EVERY QB and it always will, no matter how many things change in the coming decades.

Sorry if that offends some people's sensibilities, but it is a fact, no matter who the QB may be, from Manning to Wilson and everyone in between.

And lots of folks like his film but you've never mentioned that.

You're also delusional if you think that's all you've been saying in your posts. You've randomly brought up Russell Wilson and compared them on their leadership and work ethics. I find this particularly hilarious since it's not relevant to a single thing that was mentioned in the posts you were responding to. Further, it's funny because you didn't give a single anedote of a lack of either trait in Manziel.

Everyone is willing to recognize that there are rational differing opinions on Manziel as a QB. What we don't understand is why it seems to offend you so much that some people have positive opinions on the kid. You whip out unsupported claims about him, you distort posters arguments, and you bring up irrelevant arguments such as Dan Mario never having a pro-day. They didn't have pro-days back then. Now they do. The only thing anyone has suggested is that there is SOMETHING to be learned by watching a QB in person. If you disagree, fine, but know that isn't the opinion of organizations and that all the other shit you've brought up has nothing to do with it.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Where Johnny learned his ways? Kingsbury is the man.

WATCH: Kliff Kingsbury dominates Texas Tech team dance-off

This guy is my hero. Very jealous of his hair, too

 

[RallySonsOfND]

Where Johnny learned his ways? Kingsbury is the man.

WATCH: Kliff Kingsbury dominates Texas Tech team dance-off

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[Kaneyoufeelit]

Someone hold ACamp

Johnny Manziel will work out for the Cleveland Browns this weekend | cleveland.com

"(He's a) gifted playmaker,'' Pettine said at the meetings. "The play starts when he makes the first guy miss. That's exciting to watch, but to transition to the NFL, he'll have to be able to play in structure, his fifth-step, his foot hits the ground that he can execute a throw. I don't think there's any reason to think that wouldn't happen and I think he's capable of doing it, but when you have that ability to improvise like that, that's what makes him special and maybe separates him from other guys.''

 

[NDdomer2]

that ability to improvise is also what keeps guys from being able to play in structure. done guys never make the transition.

ultimately, if i were a gm. i would note that controlling the ball and playing good defense still wins championships.

 

[ACamp1900]

I am more into the NFl than I have been in years right now.. so yeah, it would be prefect timing for them to draft this hot mess and push me right back away...

'Just when i think I'm back in, they draft JFF and push me back out.'

 

[GATTACA!]

So have we all seen John Paul Football's new girlfriend?

Her name is Kyndal Kyaire. Instagram for "reference"

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

My man!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Apparently this Johnny Manziel guy was at the Rangers game? I can't find him <a href="http://t.co/71Y08U1Tt6">http://t.co/71Y08U1Tt6</a></p>— Nate's Rangers Notes (@myrangersnotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/myrangersnotes/statuses/456291970466316288">April 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[gkIrish]

 

[PANDFAN]

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[PANDFAN]

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guess it didn't work out...this was a promise ring from her former boyfriend...9months ago

 

[PANDFAN]

he was banging this model before on the right

he was banging this model before on the right

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