Johnny Football

[IrishLion]

I do not like Manziel's personality, nor his cockiness on the field, nor the Entourage lifestyle he seems to already be striving for.

But dammit there is just something that keeps me from completely hating him. I hope he has some success in the league, but I hope he also learns to not be a prick about it. The biggest thing for him would be landing on a team and having a long-time, respected veteran slap some sense into him immediately.

I think one of the reason I can't completely hate him is simply because of the way he plays. He can be conventional, but he's at his best when he's not. Some of the moves he makes outside of the pocket will get him killed in the NFL, but a lot of the things he does when he improvises will continue to get him out of tough spots. He needs to learn to hang in the pocket, but if he can learn when to pick and choose his chances at going all "cartoon football player," he could be a good pro QB.

 

[koonja]

I really don't think he survives and I think this will be an after thought in 3 years. To be starting material, he'll have to use his legs a lot like he did in college. To use his legs in the NFL means he will get lit up and he's so tiny.

 

[#1rish]

Just saw him in a McDonalds commercial with LeBron

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Just saw him in a McDonalds commercial with LeBron

Dolla dolla bill

 

[dublinirish]

was this posted?

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[Kaneyoufeelit]

was this posted?

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seems like an arrogant punk

 

[dublinirish]

seems like an arrogant punk

Gruden? yeah prolly

 

[woolybug25]

 

[Corry]

Funny

 

[RallySonsOfND]

Just saw him in a McDonalds commercial with LeBron

That commercial also makes ZERO sense.

They bring in LeBron AFTER him?

yeahok

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer says there are "Red Flags" around Johnny Manziel...SVP & Ryen react next <a href="http://t.co/6w9xdiy69k">http://t.co/6w9xdiy69k</a></p>— SVP & Russillo (@SVPandRussillo) <a href="https://twitter.com/SVPandRussillo/statuses/451052188715192320">April 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[zelezo vlk]

Love SVP and Russillo.

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[#1rish]

Everytime I hear the words "Johnny Football" I think of that video of that woman singing some song along with it. It's weird.

 

[IrishLion]

The only thing I got from that Zimmer thing was how awesome all of his quotes as a head coach will be.

 

[philipm31]

Thanks for the constructive argument. I was in a less compromising mood

Let's call it like it is. You were being an arse.

You can see all those things on tape, and in person. Sure every team has their hits and misses, but that is par for the course.


Then again, they do a damn good job figuring out what QBs will be able to play at the NFL level, even long before there was even the idea of a pro day.


How in the world did Joe Montana get drafted without a pro day?

Starr??

Bradshaw??

Staubach?

Marino??

Aikman??

Steve Young??

ALL HOF QBs....none of them had "pro days".

The reason that teams have scouting departments is the same reason they have always had them, because they rely on film and game attendance. Same as in the NBA or MLB. Also--they have been scouting in the NFL for nearly 70 years, and largely without pro days, so the idea that the scouting departments NEED a pro day is a fallacious argument. Sure it is nice to get a one on one look at a prospect but it does not allow to see how they perform in an uncomfortable setting, which is exactly why it was created in the first place....to generate money for the AGENTS.

Pro Days are a phenomenon that literally sprung up about nothing except agents wanting to make sure their clients can perform without the stress of performing at the combine, not because they cannot go through an entire route tree. Honestly, teams will already know what throws the kids can make most often and will likely say what they want to see you do. If you can do sixty throws in 15 minutes at your pro day, you can certainly do it at the combine. Pro Days are nothing but an AGENT-driven enterprise, period.

And the idea that they don't want to be timed or weighed is silly. I think that Manziel at least let them take his measurements, along with everyone else. If they wanted to get newer ones at his pro day, fine, but they get those measurements and times from nearly every athlete that comes to the combine, and they all do. All Manziel did NOT do was throw.

I just don't see how pro days allow to see anything that you have not seen already, if you have a top-notch scouting department.

And the idea that Manziel has the kind of work ethic that Russell Wilson has is simply not true. NOBODY ever says that about him. He relies ENTIRELY on his talent and that's it.

Sorta like Kaepernick, except Kaep is six inches taller and has a damn cannon on his arm....and he KNOWS that he needs to get better if he wants to be worth the contract the Niners are lining up for him.

Whether JFF is anything other than his pro day tape (a la Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf) remains to be seen, but I seriously doubt he will be worth the drama, headaches and bellyaching (because you KNOW he will lose his shit when the team he goes to is a cellar-dweller).

I don't know many elite pro QBs that are divas, at least not to the degree that JFF is....and yes that includes Tom Brady, another HOF QB who has flourished in the NFL despite never having his own pro day, unlike Leaf and Manning did.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Dolla dolla bill

You're god damn right. Good for him.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

And the idea that Manziel has the kind of work ethic that Russell Wilson has is simply not true. NOBODY ever says that about him. He relies ENTIRELY on his talent and that's it.

Sorta like Kaepernick, except Kaep is six inches taller and has a damn cannon on his arm....and he KNOWS that he needs to get better if he wants to be worth the contract the Niners are lining up for him.

Like my good friend and colleague Kaneyoufeelit asked above, 1) No one ever compared his work ethic to Russell Wilson; and 2) You need to give us something that says he has no work ethic before you claim that he doesn't.

This is all nonsense you just posted.

 

[irishfan]

Pro Days are a phenomenon that literally sprung up about nothing except agents wanting to make sure their clients can perform without the stress of performing at the combine, not because they cannot go through an entire route tree. Honestly, teams will already know what throws the kids can make most often and will likely say what they want to see you do. If you can do sixty throws in 15 minutes at your pro day, you can certainly do it at the combine. Pro Days are nothing but an AGENT-driven enterprise, period.

It's horribly overstated, but why the hell would a QB want to throw to a random set of WRs as opposed to throwing to guys that he is comfortable with? In other words, why would JFF want to throw a 15 yard post to a WR like Sammy Watkins (who he has never played with, has no idea how fast he is out of a cut, etc.) when he can throw it to his own batch of WRs who he knows perfectly. They can throw it 60 times at the combine, but there is no reason to. You lead a receiver by an extra few inches because he's slower than you thought he was and you look like a crappy QB. Throwing at the combine is the thing that actually makes no sense considering never ever in a game will you be throwing to a collections of WRs that you have never played with.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Here is what cracks me up. A couple of you continue to tell us how pro-days mean LITERALLY nothing or that they are just agent-driven blah blah. But let me ask you something, why are they so heavily attended if nothing can be gleamed from them? Scouts and coaches come to these things. Do you think NFL personnel don't have plenty of other things they could do other than go to an apparently meaningless workout?


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[ulukinatme]

Rockne and the Babe are rollin' in their graves probably

Johnny Manziel to file for new trademark - ESPN

 

[ClausentoTate]

Here is what cracks me up. A couple of you continue to tell us how pro-days mean LITERALLY nothing or that they are just agent-driven blah blah. But let me ask you something, why are they so heavily attended if nothing can be gleamed from them? Scouts and coaches come to these things. Do you think NFL personnel don't have plenty of other things they could do other than go to an apparently meaningless workout?


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It will show you mechanics, arm strength, etc. but it doesn't tell you anything about how they will develop in the NFL. Think Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen. Epic pro days, busts when they got to the league.

"The house that Johnny Built"... are you f'ing kidding me. What a huge douche.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Rockne and the Babe are rollin' in their graves probably

Johnny Manziel to file for new trademark - ESPN

Ugh. Didn't realize I was reading a Darren Rovell article until the very end. Give us fair warning next time!

 

[ulukinatme]

Ugh. Didn't realize I was reading a Darren Rovell article until the very end. Give us fair warning next time!

Yeah, I didn't even bother to read who authored it. I just saw the headline on ESPN and was curious...then I threw up.

 

[Irish#1]

Seems to me that if approved no one will make any money off of "The House that Johnny Built". A&M won't use it if it's going to cost them money. Who would want to buy a t-shirt that says "The House that Johnny Built"? There's very limited opportunity for profit off of that one unless I'm missing something.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I think this guy sums it up nicely:

 

[IrishLion]

If it's an obvious reference to A&M's stadium expansion, can Manziel even own that? Or could A&M block the reference?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm not an IP attorney, so take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding of trademarks is that they don't have any effect until one starts selling: (1) an actual product; (2) branded with the mark in question; (3) in a particular market. Registering a mark makes it easier to defend, but without the three elements listed above, the mark holder has no real rights.

Lots of people seem to think that if you can somehow register a popular term or phrase before anyone else, you can just kick back and wait for the money to roll in. Wouldn't surprise me if Manziel and his shady BFF are working under similar misinformation.

 

[NDdomer2]

i hope people use "the stadium that johnny built" or some other variation just to piss him off.

 

[IrishLion]

Lots of people seem to think that if you can somehow register a popular term or phrase before anyone else, you can just kick back and wait for the money to roll in. Wouldn't surprise me if Manziel and his shady BFF are working under similar misinformation.

I would assume that this isn't the case, since he and his family were quick to go after the official "Johnny Football" moniker.

I think it's more likely that he's trying to cash in on his college success by trademarking a lasting connection to A&M, or at least the stadium, for monetary purposes.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think it's more likely that he's trying to cash in on his college success by trademarking a lasting connection to A&M, or at least the stadium, for monetary purposes.

I guess that's right. Because those marks both use him name (sort of), and he's sufficiently famous, he can prevent others from profiting off them without a license from him.