Johnny Football

[Corry]

I just hope and pray the Jags or someone take him before the Browns have the opportunity to eternally damn their franchise...

As do I.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mayock: "If I'm a GM in the top 10 and had to take a QB today, it would be Johnny Manziel." <a href="http://t.co/KhoIadb9yq">http://t.co/KhoIadb9yq</a></p>— CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFL_CFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_CFB/statuses/449354732423753729">March 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Interesting phrasing. Doesn't say that he should be taken in the top 10 but if he's going to take a QB in the top 10 it would be JFF

 

[TDHeysus]

no way would I draft him, unless I had a deal where I would turn right around and trade him for proven assets. Need I remind anyone of JaMarcus Russells' pro day? most say it was pretty much the best ever.

Can Manziel be disciplined enough to run an organized offense without all the improv? Does he realize there are 300+lbs defensive lineman in the NFL that he wont beat to the sidelines?

That play against Alabama this last year where he eludes the rush, and chucks the ball in the air like a punt for anyone to catch, that's impressive? The receiver he was throwing to wasn't even the receiver that caught the ball.

but hey, that's why I work IT, and not a NFL GM.


Some ppl point to Russell Wilson as a smaller guy who has succeeded, and I agree that Russell Wilson has made himself into a very good (and only getting better) QB. But I see Russell Wilson come off the field and study plays ala Peyton Manning did(does). Russell Wilson was naturally talented AND he puts in the work. I haven't seen/heard much about Manziel and his work ethic, at all. Has he improved his craft since getting to TAMU? or just relied on his speed and improv? I see terrible fundamentals (footwork to be precise) that hasn't improv while at TAMU. Bad footwork translates to INTs in the NFL, because DB's are much smarter, faster on the next level. (just like the lineman)

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

LOL how is he not accurate enough? 69.9% this year and 68% as a RS FR.

I can tell you're serious about this with your LOL. How much Manziel did you watch this year? He had one of the best WRs in the country and as others have mentioned, he lived off of throwing up jump balls.


I'm always forthcoming if I turn out to be wrong about a player so I'll speak up later this year/next year if he proves to be legit. He may make it work, I wouldn't have projected Russell Wilson to the NFL and he seems to be doing just fine.

 

[irishfan]

I can tell you're serious about this with your LOL. How much Manziel did you watch this year? He had one of the best WRs in the country and as others have mentioned, he lived off of throwing up jump balls.


I'm always forthcoming if I turn out to be wrong about a player so I'll speak up later this year/next year if he proves to be legit. He may make it work, I wouldn't have projected Russell Wilson to the NFL and he seems to be doing just fine.

Let's see, I watched the SMU game cause he was suspended for the 1st half and it was on before ND/Temple. I watched the Bama game cause everyone in the world did and I had money on it (Bama -7.5 fml). I watched the Ole Miss game because he seemingly lost the game then won it at the end. I watched the Auburn game and thought to myself it was the first time I've seen him not come through in the clutch. I watched LSU and Missouri and saw him struggle badly. Then I watched him tear it up against Duke. So, I watched 6.5 of their games this year. Only watched a couple last year.

I'm no expert, but he can make all the throws he needs to make (he throws better on the run than about 90% of NFL QBs IMO), and obviously his improvising is better than any college QB I've seen. He regularly made the best defenses in the country look foolish and Saban of all people had no answer for stopping him. He had Evans at WR, but I think everyone else on this board would be hard pressed to name another one of his WRs this past year. Evans is a stud; he shouldn't be punished for throwing jump balls to him when he has 1-on-1 coverage. Quite frankly it would be dumb of him not to do so. Every article about his dedication to the game since he began his training with Whitfield has been glowing and he apparently has been nailing every interview. I think he's the real deal, we'll just have to see.

 

[Walter White]

I want my vikes to grab him at 8 if he's still there. You guys saying he's not accurate are crazy. He led college football with accuracy from the pocket this year. Only knocks on him I got are maturity and size. Everything else he offers is exceptional. Kid can straight ball.

 

[ryno 24]

He may have fun, but he works hard off the field. When he parties that hard but improves as a quarterback I have to give him credit

 

[Fbolt]

Do Hate

 

[GATTACA!]

Desperately want the Browns to take JF. Idk if he will be great, good, or terrible. Any of the three will be wildly entertaining, a shot in the arm for a dumpster fire of an organization.

 

[philipm31]

Pro days literally mean nothing.

When he can throw on the run like that to a COVERED receiver not named Mike Evans (who was bigger and stronger than every single DB on the field so JFF just chucked into DOUBLE and TRIPLE coverage routinely...throws that routinely get picked off in the NFL), then I will be impressed.

JFF will be an undisciplined QB who will not play well in an NFL offense, at least not til he gets the S H I T kicked out of him for a good eight games....which I would LOOOOVE to see.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Pro days literally mean nothing.

When he can throw on the run like that to a COVERED receiver not named Mike Evans (who was bigger and stronger than every single DB on the field so JFF just chucked into DOUBLE and TRIPLE coverage routinely...throws that routinely get picked off in the NFL), then I will be impressed.

JFF will be an undisciplined QB who will not play well in an NFL offense, at least not til he gets the S H I T kicked out of him for a good eight games....which I would LOOOOVE to see.

LITERALLY nothing! Not one thing can be learned from a pro day. Watching a player workout in person informs one of NOTHING about the player.

Now I understand why every big school has them and why NFL scouts and coaches flock to them.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Some GM is either going to be the smartest guy in the room or the dumbest person in the NFL.

 

[Irish#1]

Pro days are so scripted that the only thing you get a true feeling for is arm strength.

 

[BobD]

Meh it's all a crapshoot with these kids and now with the NFL' s Jamarcus Russell rule, it's not nearly as big of a gamble as in the past. I'm wondering if "Johnny Football" and his agent will go for the loop hole.....sign a short term first contract to skirt the rookie rule, so they can go for the big bucks sooner? It's a gamble, but he's a gambler and his family is well off anyways if I remember correctly??

I'd take the chance on him.

I don't know why, but I keep thinking "will he be Eminem or Vanilla Ice?"

 

[ND NYC]

ill bet all my vbucks he goes somewhere in the top 6

1-6 i win
7 and higher you win

kids a winner, puts people in the seats too.

i dont undertsannd all the hate for this kid, if for nothing else hell bring some EXCITEMENT to the NFL which to me is getting more borng by the year.

as for my fanstasy team....im thinking JFF goes 6th round in my 12 team non keeper league

 

[ndfi78]

He so belongs on the Raiders...

Doing his best Marinovich impression...

F that. Let me repeat, F THAT!

 

[TDHeysus]

He so belongs on the Raiders...

Doing his best Marinovich impression...

I didnt know that Manziel surfed naked, continually gets popped for marijuana possession, or rode skateboards as a grown man.

 

[ACamp1900]

I didnt know that Manziel surfed naked, continually gets popped for marijuana possession, or rode skateboards as a grown man.

Soon.


Lol

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I'd take him if he's still on the board at 18.

But keep in mind that i'd take a quarterback EVERY year until I got a franchise.

Risks be damned.

 

[philipm31]

LITERALLY nothing! Not one thing can be learned from a pro day. Watching a player workout in person informs one of NOTHING about the player.

Now I understand why every big school has them and why NFL scouts and coaches flock to them.

I am sorry but did they learn anything new about Johnny Football other than he lives to throw jump balls to Mike Evans?

No.

Congratulations on being able to hit WIDE OPEN receivers who nobody on them. I mean, SERIOUSLY, there was literally NOTHING gleaned from what he did. See what he does under pressure in a LIVE NFL game and THEN you can actually learn something.

It is no different than a practice session.

And I love how you conveniently left out the important things about why any NFL GM would be a fool to take him #1, or anywhere in the top 5. He is not Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson is a two sport star, a gym rat and has a relentless, RELENTLESS work ethic on AND off the football field, which is something that you NEVER hear about Johnny.

 

[dublinirish]

i reckon in a in a year or so we will see QB "pro days" where they are up against db's in pads covering wr's. the workouts as they are now are getting very stale, somebody is gonna mix it up

 

[philipm31]

Actually, this is what we learned about JFF....that he is just as self-centered and interested in making a spectacle than actually showing any tangible improvements.

Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Zimmer sees flags surrounding former Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel - ESPN

And sure Zimmer is not going to be getting a shot a Manziel unless he fall out of the Top 5, but it sounds like this is what top NFL GMs will be taking into account, not the fact that he can complete passes to 6'5" WRs.

 

[dublinirish]

Actually, this is what we learned about JFF....that he is just as self-centered and interested in making a spectacle than actually showing any tangible improvements.

Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Zimmer sees flags surrounding former Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel - ESPN

And sure Zimmer is not going to be getting a shot a Manziel unless he fall out of the Top 5, but it sounds like this is what top NFL GMs will be taking into account, not the fact that he can complete passes to 6'5" WRs.

haha every good a chance that the vikes would still draft him. smoke and mirrors and all that

 

[woolybug25]

I am sorry but did they learn anything new about Johnny Football other than he lives to throw jump balls to Mike Evans?

No.

Congratulations on being able to hit WIDE OPEN receivers who nobody on them. I mean, SERIOUSLY, there was literally NOTHING gleaned from what he did. See what he does under pressure in a LIVE NFL game and THEN you can actually learn something.

It is no different than a practice session.

And I love how you conveniently left out the important things about why any NFL GM would be a fool to take him #1, or anywhere in the top 5. He is not Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson is a two sport star, a gym rat and has a relentless, RELENTLESS work ethic on AND off the football field, which is something that you NEVER hear about Johnny.

This is silly and completely innacurate. First of all, you get to see the QB run a route tree in a pro day and they do the measurement they may or may not have done at the combine. They also get one on one time with them. So the pro days have significant value, a value that is much different than a practice session.

How exactly is a team suppose to see a prospect in LIVE NFL action? So you're saying you cant learn anything about a player until they are actually in the NFL? Why do all NFL teams have scouting departments then?

Regarding your last comment, Johnny is a gym rat and he has spent a ton of time with George Whitfield in the off season and ran outside sessions with his receivers. He grew up playing a variety of sports, including basketball, baseball, golf and football. The TAMU baseball coaches offered him an opportunity to play baseball, but he chose to get coached by Whitfield.

I don't like Manziel because he is a prick raised by a family of degenerates. I don't like him because he's cocky and I hate his persona. However, i'm not going to just start rattling off false premise.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I am sorry but did they learn anything new about Johnny Football other than he lives to throw jump balls to Mike Evans?

No.

Congratulations on being able to hit WIDE OPEN receivers who nobody on them. I mean, SERIOUSLY, there was literally NOTHING gleaned from what he did. See what he does under pressure in a LIVE NFL game and THEN you can actually learn something.

No QB should ever be drafted without first showing how they perform in the NFL.

It is no different than a practice session.

Practice is dumb. Who has ever proved anything in practice?

And I love how you conveniently left out the important things about why any NFL GM would be a fool to take him #1, or anywhere in the top 5.

Who said he should be taken #1? And are you certain that the Jags or Browns won't take him? There seems to be a lot of smoke there. still.

He is not Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson is a two sport star, a gym rat and has a relentless, RELENTLESS work ethic on AND off the football field, which is something that you NEVER hear about Johnny.

How did Russell Wilson enter this?

And forgive my answering a question with a question, but I'm a law student and therefore training to be an asshole. Have you ever heard that he isn't a hard worker from anyone who isn't click-baiting? He was absolutely loved by his coaches and teammates at A&M. Universal admiration isn't something usually bestowed on someone who is lazy and selfcentered.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

This is silly and completely innacurate. First of all, you get to see the QB run a route tree in a pro day and they do the measurement they may or may not have done at the combine. They also get one on one time with them. So the pro days have significant value, a value that is much different than a practice session.

How exactly is a team suppose to see a prospect in LIVE NFL action? So you're saying you cant learn anything about a player until they are actually in the NFL? Why do all NFL teams have scouting departments then?

Regarding your last comment, Johnny is a gym rat and he has spent a ton of time with George Whitfield in the off season and ran outside sessions with his receivers. He grew up playing a variety of sports, including basketball, baseball, golf and football. The TAMU baseball coaches offered him an opportunity to play baseball, but he chose to get coached by Whitfield.

I don't like Manziel because he is a prick raised by a family of degenerates. I don't like him because he's cocky and I hate his persona. However, i'm not going to just start rattling off false premise.

Thanks for the constructive argument. I was in a less compromising mood

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Listen, if you don't think he will be a good NFL QB that's fine, but, back it up with something real. Saying he was successful because he threw jump balls to Evans just isn't reality. His tape is far more diverse than that and plenty of scouts think he does a lot of things well. There are differing opinions on him; I get it. But, arguments like you're bringing just sound butthurt and personal.

 

[Irish#1]

This is silly and completely innacurate. First of all, you get to see the QB run a route tree in a pro day and they do the measurement they may or may not have done at the combine. They also get one on one time with them. So the pro days have significant value, a value that is much different than a practice session.

How exactly is a team suppose to see a prospect in LIVE NFL action? So you're saying you cant learn anything about a player until they are actually in the NFL? Why do all NFL teams have scouting departments then?

Regarding your last comment, Johnny is a gym rat and he has spent a ton of time with George Whitfield in the off season and ran outside sessions with his receivers. He grew up playing a variety of sports, including basketball, baseball, golf and football. The TAMU baseball coaches offered him an opportunity to play baseball, but he chose to get coached by Whitfield.

I don't like Manziel because he is a prick raised by a family of degenerates. I don't like him because he's cocky and I hate his persona. However, i'm not going to just start rattling off false premise.

The biggest thing they learn is arm strength. As far as interviews, they still learn less than what they might at the combine. He's giving an interview in surroundings he's comfortable with he feels less pressure. Scouts like to interview them at pro day where you'll be out of your comfort zone in unfamiliar surroundings and face more questions. They want to see how you handle that pressure.

 

[koonja]

About the pro-day's changing so the QB threw against a defense. I don't see it happening. These schools and coaches want their QBs to look as good as possible, so throwing in a defender to make some plays and make the QB look bad won't happen unless everyone else does it to even the playing field IMO.

 

[dublinirish]

About the pro-day's changing so the QB threw against a defense. I don't see it happening. These schools and coaches want their QBs to look as good as possible, so throwing in a defender to make some plays and make the QB look bad won't happen unless everyone else does it to even the playing field IMO.

i can see a small school guy doing it to make some noise, somebody is gonna do something to get some extra attention.