'10 NC DE Prince Shembo (In hot water)

[Luckylucci]

Please tell me the father isn't going to be in the public's face about this and try to defame Shembo during one of his biggest interviews of his life. I really hope thats not what this is about.

 

[Rack Em]

Recap from the Interview:
- ND and BK haven't reached out to him
- Family isn't blaming ND and Prince?
- They're accepting a degree of responsibility
- Issues with way things were handled by NDSP
Hosts Opinions:
- Hosts think it's unreasonable that ND didn't reach out
- Laying it hard that ND priests weren't reaching out
- Sickening that ND "lawyered up"
- Had to be hard to for Seebergs to maintain composure
- Mr. Seeberg: "We should have seen it coming, but didn't"

 

[Rack Em]

It sounds like he wasn't unreasonable. But I still have a HUGE problem with people bitching about ND "lawyering up".

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN SOMEONE THREATENS A LAWSUIT?!?!?

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN REACHING OUT TO THE FAMILY CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW?!?!

Commentators are completely losing their common sense because it's a chance to smear ND. The way the law is currently structured, that is the prudent thing to do: get a lawyer.

 

[Rack Em]

Can you give me a full recap of what he said? I'm wondering how much the Trib has twisted quotes from them and/or if they're full of it or what. I've never heard her parents speak directly on this, only parsed quotes.

Check my post above #369

 

[IrishLax]

Recap from the Interview:
- ND and BK haven't reached out to him
- Family isn't blaming ND and Prince?
- They're accepting a degree of responsibility
- Issues with way things were handled by NDSP

I'm fine with all of that, especially if the bolded is true. I'm very glad if it is and they're not just blaming everyone but themselves. I've always wondered how much Haugh and others have gone out of their way to only print the most critical quotes.

And it's fine that they have issues with NDSP, if it was my kid I'd want every allegation investigated with full focus and alacrity.

Hosts Opinions:
- Hosts think it's unreasonable that ND didn't reach out
- Laying it hard that ND priests weren't reaching out
- Sickening that ND "lawyered up"
- Had to be hard to for Seebergs to maintain composure
- Mr. Seeberg: "We should have seen it coming, but didn't"

This is some of what I did catch... wtf is with these hosts? And the Tribune in general? Lizzy Seeberg was not a student at ND. Why would ND priests need to reach out? Or BK? Huh? This isn't a Declan Sullivan situation where the University and football coach have an obligation to provide answers. Notice with Declan Sullivan how they responded, and how his parents were nothing but appreciative.

And ND "lawyered up" because the Seebergs did and came at them with demands.

Tribune has a serious axe to grind it seems.

EDIT: Just realized it's all the same guy, David Haugh. didn't know this was also his radio show. He is a known Notre Dame hater, and this is all just par for the course.

 

[Huntr]

Tribune has a serious axe to grind it seems.

There's no axe to grind, they're selling newspapers and radio ads. They're not in the business of reporting or providing news - they're selling cat food.

 

[GoIrish41]

There's no axe to grind, they're selling newspapers and radio ads. They're not in the business of reporting or providing news - they're selling cat food.

I worked in the news business for years, and while there is some truth to what you are saying, it isn't completely accurate. The credibility of the media outlet is the key to their ability to "sell cat food" through the sale of advertisments. If they don't have credibility, people will stop taking them seriously (see Fox News/MSNBC who have aimed for only a portion of the potential viewers available). When this happens, they lose potential dollars from advertisers who want to reach the largest audience possible. During my time in the business, I've worked with several reporters who had an axe to grind, and they were usually pulled back by cooler heads in the company. That doesn't always happen, and when it doesn't it costs the media outlet credibility and potential earnings. Any serious newspaper guards against the vindictive reporting of "news" because it is just bad business.

 

[wizards8507]

She wasn't an ND student. I don't know if that makes a difference?

I think the fact that Prince Shembo WAS a student is more important than Lizzy Seeberg NOT being a student. I'm pretty sure FERPA prohibits ND administrators from discussing the discipline of a specific student.

 

[NDohio]

I'm fine with all of that, especially if the bolded is true. I'm very glad if it is and they're not just blaming everyone but themselves. I've always wondered how much Haugh and others have gone out of their way to only print the most critical quotes.

And it's fine that they have issues with NDSP, if it was my kid I'd want every allegation investigated with full focus and alacrity.



This is some of what I did catch... wtf is with these hosts? And the Tribune in general? Lizzy Seeberg was not a student at ND. Why would ND priests need to reach out? Or BK? Huh? This isn't a Declan Sullivan situation where the University and football coach have an obligation to provide answers. Notice with Declan Sullivan how they responded, and how his parents were nothing but appreciative.

And ND "lawyered up" because the Seebergs did and came at them with demands.

Tribune has a serious axe to grind it seems.

Maybe we should start a thread about journalism.

 

[Irish#1]

They're coming after ND, because Shembo was a student and there is probably some level of accountability by ND for its students. Not that I agree with that, but I would have to believe that is what they are basing their opinions on.

 

[GoIrish41]

Anybody catch that combine? Shembo looked pretty good.

 

[stlnd01]

I worked in the news business for years, and while there is some truth to what you are saying, it isn't completely accurate. The credibility of the media outlet is the key to their ability to "sell cat food" through the sale of advertisments. If they don't have credibility, people will stop taking them seriously (see Fox News/MSNBC who have aimed for only a portion of the potential viewers available). When this happens, they lose potential dollars from advertisers who want to reach the largest audience possible. During my time in the business, I've worked with several reporters who had an axe to grind, and they were usually pulled back by cooler heads in the company. That doesn't always happen, and when it doesn't it costs the media outlet credibility and potential earnings. Any serious newspaper guards against the vindictive reporting of "news" because it is just bad business.

^^^

Also: David Haugh (who if you don't know is a former South Bend Tribune columnist and taught journalism courses at St. Mary's) might have a personal beef on this issue.
He covered Notre Dame for the SB Tribune at a time - in the late 90s - when several other football player sexual assault incidents occurred, some of which emerged publicly, some of which did not. That may be coloring his coverage of Notre Dame's response to this. If so, that's unfortunate. But it's also understandable as their response was less than stellar, then and now.

Ultimately, though, unless the Seeburgs are interested in pushing this further - and from the notes on that interview it doesn't sound like they really are - this story will fade away again right quick.

 

[rocket66]

This is some of what I did catch... wtf is with these hosts? And the Tribune in general? Lizzy Seeberg was not a student at ND. Why would ND priests need to reach out? Or BK? Huh? This isn't a Declan Sullivan situation where the University and football coach have an obligation to provide answers. Notice with Declan Sullivan how they responded, and how his parents were nothing but appreciative.

And ND "lawyered up" because the Seebergs did and came at them with demands.

From what I gathered, the Seeburg's are an ND family and the father is an ND grad and felt his "ND Family" turned their backs on him. I think he was more hurt than anything that his University didn't help get more information at the time. I can completely understand his point when you look at it from that perspective. I thought he actually came across very understanding and better than I expected him to be, but man, that Haugh guy is a complete douche.

 

[IrishLax]

From what I gathered, the Seeburg's are an ND family and the father is an ND grad and felt his "ND Family" turned their backs on him. I think he was more hurt than anything that his University didn't help get more information at the time. I can completely understand his point when you look at it from that perspective. I thought he actually came across very understanding and better than I expected him to be, but man, that Haugh guy is a complete douche.

Good point. They absolutely 100% were an ND family, that's a fact. I can understand the feeling of betrayal in that instance.

I got to listen back to the segment, and I appreciated how he came across. To this point, I'd only read his quotes and always wondered if Haugh was parsing everything in an unflattering manner to be as inflammatory as possible. He's always been a clown with an agenda, and in this case he was given the ammunition to do his worst.

 

[JD Irish]

During my time at ND, ND canceled its subscription to the Chicago Tribune and started a South Bend Tribune subscription instead. That was probably a thousand newspapers a day that they were selling that suddenly they weren't. Wonder if that factored in at all.

 

[SaltyND24]

thoughts?

He (David) can eat a sack of dicks...As tragic as the situation was, all he did in that piece was to point the finger at Shembo like he accused Shembo of doing to Lizzy...This was an unfortunate situation and I believe it could've been handled a lot better...However, Shembo not talking about it until now shouldn't be a sign of guilt

 

[PLACforever]

Is his Twitter handle really "the kapman"?
What
A
Toolbag

"Hey ladies, it's the Kapman, make sure you tune into my bullshit interview. Stay classy."

 

[TheSunIsRising]

I think the fact that Prince Shembo WAS a student is more important than Lizzy Seeberg NOT being a student. I'm pretty sure FERPA prohibits ND administrators from discussing the discipline of a specific student.

I think you're right: that is EXACTLY what the issue was

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Just finished watching his on field drills and he nailed it, especially for a guy who rarely stood up and dropped in coverage. Could be a hell of a Mike lb in the NFL


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[dublinirish]

Just finished watching his on field drills and he nailed it, especially for a guy who rarely stood up and dropped in coverage. Could be a hell of a Mike lb in the NFL


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always felt he should have been given a proper go at ILB. He was kinda wasted at ND if you think about it

 

[Bogtrotter07]

always felt he should have been given a proper go at ILB. He was kinda wasted at ND if you think about it

Could he have been moved in his senior year at ND? Yes. Was it a guarantee for success? No.

His junior year, in my most humble opinion, he and Danny Spond were two huge and most unsung reasons for the success of that defense. That defense was a team for the ways those guys were put together. He developed quickly as an edge rusher. What for a while as a freshman it seemed like almost every other play he was in was a TFL or a sack!

I put the quotes in because I acknowledge my hyperbole, but I don't think it is that great. When there was a linebacker corps and a healthy d-line on the field, he was almost unstoppable. Don't forget, his senior years the defense had high hopes that crashed down early. What was there, thirteen players that lost a game or more due to injury, not including Danny Spond? That kind of decimation makes kicking an extra guy out for the opponents a bit easier.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

always felt he should have been given a proper go at ILB. He was kinda wasted at ND if you think about it

He showed flashes of being a damn good pass rusher and set the edge really well. He just happened to have a really inconsistent career here, even if overall I think he was one of the better players on the defense. Just because he projects to another position better in the NFL doesn't mean he was out of position in college.

 

[Irish#1]

Could he have been moved in his senior year at ND? Yes. Was it a guarantee for success? No.

His junior year, in my most humble opinion, he and Danny Spond were two huge and most unsung reasons for the success of that defense. That defense was a team for the ways those guys were put together. He developed quickly as an edge rusher. What for a while as a freshman it seemed like almost every other play he was in was a TFL or a sack!

I put the quotes in because I acknowledge my hyperbole, but I don't think it is that great. When there was a linebacker corps and a healthy d-line on the field, he was almost unstoppable. Don't forget, his senior years the defense had high hopes that crashed down early. What was there, thirteen players that lost a game or more due to injury, not including Danny Spond? That kind of decimation makes kicking an extra guy out for the opponents a bit easier.

I think part of his success as junior was due to being surrounded with enough quality players that teams couldn't focus on him as much.

He showed flashes of being a damn good pass rusher and set the edge really well. He just happened to have a really inconsistent career here, even if overall I think he was one of the better players on the defense. Just because he projects to another position better in the NFL doesn't mean he was out of position in college.

Maybe being inconsistent was a product of him playing out of position!?

 

[Riddickulous]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Scout tells me prospect most impacted off field Notre Dame's Prince Shembo. After comprehensive background check, off virtually Every Board</p>— NFL_DRAFT_Bites (@NFLDraftBites) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/statuses/459036077559652352">April 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Ouch.

 

[Rack Em]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Scout tells me prospect most impacted off field Notre Dame's Prince Shembo. After comprehensive background check, off virtually Every Board</p>— NFL_DRAFT_Bites (@NFLDraftBites) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/statuses/459036077559652352">April 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Ouch.

I'm calling bullshit.

Shembo is off everyone's board but Lewan (WHO COVERED UP RAPE AND THREATENED TO RAPE A RAPE VICTIM AS WELL AS GETTING INTO UNPROVOKED FIGHTS WITH STUDENTS) is a first round pick?

That is fucking bullshit.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm calling bullshit.

Shembo is off everyone's board but Lewan (WHO COVERED UP RAPE AND THREATENED TO RAPE A RAPE VICTIM AS WELL AS GETTING INTO UNPROVOKED FIGHTS WITH STUDENTS) is a first round pick?

That is fucking bullshit.

My assumption would be, sadly, these teams will over look stuff like that with first and second round talent...

 

[yankeeND]

My assumption would be, sadly, these teams will over look stuff like that with first and second round talent...

Agreed, it truly is a sad world sometimes.

 

[rtrn2glory]

can someone refresh my memory to what he did that would put him off all the boards??

 

[Riddickulous]

can someone refresh my memory to what he did that would put him off all the boards??

Sexual assault allegations from 2010.

 

[Rack Em]

can someone refresh my memory to what he did that would put him off all the boards??

Here's the link to the police report. But don't worry, Lewan's arraignment isn't a big deal though. He's just misunderstood. Fucking low-life-piece-of-shit.


http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2010-12/272335660-16095122.pdf