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Davis? Hardly. He had been with Saban for several years before going to Texas. If anything, it is a safe hire. One has to think his three years at Texas will help him somewhat in recruiting there.

Not Davis. Kiffin.
 
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Well let's hear from the $EC homers how this is on the up and up. Well...we're waiting.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>11 currently eligible Bama players with autographed game-worn jerseys, cleats, gloves or wristbands for sale: <a href="http://t.co/WljusvxocV">http://t.co/WljusvxocV</a></p>— Clay Travis (@ClayTravisBGID) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayTravisBGID/statuses/423913332056133632">January 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Well let's hear from the $EC homers how this is on the up and up. Well...we're waiting.

This SEC homer says it goes nowhere. Why? You have to show where money changes hands in order to have something. They have already been down that road and it went nowhere. It will be interesting to see what the school does with the owner of the store. He has been given the order. Maybe legal action comes next.

Keep cheering Clay "butt hurt" Travis on though... he is a joy to follow on his website.
 

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I realize that the NCAA has a lot to oversee, but a guy is consistently bringing in autographed equipment from even current players and they will turn a blind eye to that? That doesn't even get a request for an official statement from the proprietor? I'm not saying Bama is guilty, but something is clearly happening, provided what we are reading is correct.
 

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This SEC homer says it goes nowhere. Why? You have to show where money changes hands in order to have something. They have already been down that road and it went nowhere. It will be interesting to see what the school does with the owner of the store. He has been given the order. Maybe legal action comes next.

Keep cheering Clay "butt hurt" Travis on though... he is a joy to follow on his website.

Can a lawyer help me out? What legal recourse would the school have against the shop owner? It's his shop. Can't he sell shit in it? It's not like he stole the merch.
 

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Can a lawyer help me out? What legal recourse would the school have against the shop owner? It's his shop. Can't he sell shit in it? It's not like he stole the merch.

Probably nothing other than what they already did and that was to formally ask him to stop having contact with players.

And the NCAA can't do anything unless they have definitive proof the players are being paid by him for their autographs - and even then it may not matter - see JFF.
 

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If he gets the autographs, sells them, and keeps the profits until the players are done, he could distribute them at that time legally, correct? Could he also give the money to a player's relative at the time of the sale, and then the $$$ filters back to the player?

Then again, he could just distribute the cash behind closed doors. It's not like the NCAA is going to do shit these days.
 

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If he gets the autographs, sells them, and keeps the profits until the players are done, he could distribute them at that time legally, correct? Could he also give the money to a player's relative at the time of the sale, and then the $$$ filters back to the player?

Then again, he could just distribute the cash behind closed doors. It's not like the NCAA is going to do shit these days.

Can we define "legally"? I don't think this is a matter of law, it's a matter of NCAA bullshit. The NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction over this guy, they only have jurisdiction over member institutions. Are there actual statutes in the state of Alabama (or anywhere) that make this a legitimately criminal issue?
 
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This SEC homer says it goes nowhere. Why? You have to show where money changes hands in order to have something. They have already been down that road and it went nowhere. It will be interesting to see what the school does with the owner of the store. He has been given the order. Maybe legal action comes next.

Keep cheering Clay "butt hurt" Travis on though... he is a joy to follow on his website.

TTown, I've generally thought your posts and input has been good and have never really had any problem w the info you put up on the board. This post however seems to convey a smugness that makes me want to spit. The $EC is a cesspool of violators and here is yet another example. I wasn't suggesting that the nutless NCAA would actually do anything with it but rather I was suggesting that idiot $EC fans (not including you, see my first line) would come on here and defend this shit as A OK. Now it sounds like you're actually whistling past the grave yard feeling like it isn't a big deal. If I saw this same scenario but w ND players associated I'd be Fucking pissed. I hope you are w this bunch of horse shit. If you're not, you've had me fooled.
 

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Can we define "legally"? I don't think this is a matter of law, it's a matter of NCAA bullshit. The NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction over this guy, they only have jurisdiction over member institutions. Are there actual statutes in the state of Alabama (or anywhere) that make this a legitimately criminal issue?

Thats a good point. Theres nothing really stopping this guy from selling autographed items, correct? It's up to the student athlete to do the right thing, or not get caught accepting cash for said memorabilia sales. If they get caught accepting cash...maaaaybe the NCAA does something to the student athlete and/or the institution.
 

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TTown, I've generally thought your posts and input has been good and have never really had any problem w the info you put up on the board. This post however seems to convey a smugness that makes me want to spit. The $EC is a cesspool of violators and here is yet another example. I wasn't suggesting that the nutless NCAA would actually do anything with it but rather I was suggesting that idiot $EC fans (not including you, see my first line) would come on here and defend this shit as A OK. Now it sounds like you're actually whistling past the grave yard feeling like it isn't a big deal. If I saw this same scenario but w ND players associated I'd be Fucking pissed. I hope you are w this bunch of horse shit. If you're not, you've had me fooled.

I think he's just speaking the truth, really. There's been such a huge influx of cash into the NCAA the last 10-20 years, it's crazy. I mean, universities were doing pretty well even before that, but between TV contracts, bowl money, ticket sales, and who knows what else...it's become a giant business. It's natural that players want a cut of it, and players are certainly getting a cut of it one way or another. If they aren't getting it from their own school, they're getting it from boosters, or they're getting it from deals on the side like this. I'd like to think our players don't engage in this kind of stuff, and I'm sure there are some schools that police it pretty well and don't let it fly, but it's hard to police 85 players. You can't monitor deals that go on in back rooms, and unless theres proof that money changed hands, nothing will probably come of it.
 

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I think he's just speaking the truth, really. There's been such a huge influx of cash into the NCAA the last 10-20 years, it's crazy. I mean, universities were doing pretty well even before that, but between TV contracts, bowl money, ticket sales, and who knows what else...it's become a giant business. It's natural that players want a cut of it, and players are certainly getting a cut of it one way or another. If they aren't getting it from their own school, they're getting it from boosters, or they're getting it from deals on the side like this. I'd like to think our players don't engage in this kind of stuff, and I'm sure there are some schools that police it pretty well and don't let it fly, but it's hard to police 85 players. You can't monitor deals that go on in back rooms, and unless theres proof that money changed hands, nothing will probably come of it.

I think you're pretty much correct. I don't like it, but I know it's very common at virtually every major school, and I think the NCAA's essentially throwing in the towel and admitting they can't really stop it. I wish Al-betar would stay the hell away from our players, but I don't know that there's a realistic way to get him to.

I'd love to see laws on the books that provided for very still penalties for boosters, agents, coaches, etc. who intentionally do anything that compromises or harms a college athlete's eligibility by providing them with impermissible benefits or inducing them to commit infractions that would harm their eligibility. Put some teeth in it if you mean business and really want it to stop.
 

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Kiffin would have a great career as a political appointee.

Always failing up.

(I know this isn't exactly a "promotion" but OC at Alabama sure is a great parting gift after such a miserable showing at USC)
 

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This one has been bothering me all day. The Bama fans in my office are split. Asking myself the following questions.

  • Is Bama taking a huge risk here?
  • When did Saban's love for Kitten start?
  • Is Kitten really that good of an OC?
  • Saban already rules recruiting, can we expect 5stars four deep now?
  • Is Alamaba now the ultimate evil?
Really have a bad feeling about this one. I know the UT folks will hate Bama and Kitten even more now. Hope the whole place burns to the ground. What a slimy bunch of people.
Some of this stuff is really hard to believe, this move couldnt be more bizarre if you just made it up. How in the hell do you keep a straight face when thinking about it. Alabama ---what a piece of work
 

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I don't like him but I think he will do well. It seems like maybe being an OC, there's nothing wrong with that.
 

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I don't like him but I think he will do well. It seems like maybe being an OC, there's nothing wrong with that.

Much less pressure. Still making 2 mil a year. Much less headaches. Still making 2 mil a year. 1/3 of the team's personnel to worry about. Still making 2 mil a year. A 1/4 of the media responsibility. Still making 2 mil a year. Just as many assistants to do your b!tch work. Still making 2 mil a year. Proves himself at highest level of CFB so he can be an NFL OC. Then he'll make more than 2 mil a year.
 

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TTown, I've generally thought your posts and input has been good and have never really had any problem w the info you put up on the board. This post however seems to convey a smugness that makes me want to spit. The $EC is a cesspool of violators and here is yet another example. I wasn't suggesting that the nutless NCAA would actually do anything with it but rather I was suggesting that idiot $EC fans (not including you, see my first line) would come on here and defend this shit as A OK. Now it sounds like you're actually whistling past the grave yard feeling like it isn't a big deal. If I saw this same scenario but w ND players associated I'd be Fucking pissed. I hope you are w this bunch of horse shit. If you're not, you've had me fooled.

Not trying to be smug in my post. Sorry if you took it that way. Clay Travis... I make fun of him because his life usually revolves around Bama instead of him cheering for his UT team. I too hate everything about it. It's not just an SEC problem. It is a problem across the board in college sports. And the NCAA does not have the resources or the willingness at this point to try and fight it or so it seems that way. I have been a big supporter of tougher laws with agents, boosters, etc. This guy in T Town is a pirana to the university, football program, etc. and anything to stop him would be great.

I say all that to say this. The players have a responsibility to conduct themselves in the correct manner. If I were Saban I would find out how the guy is getting the items, and if players are involved then suspend them from playing. Repeat offenses and they get shown the door. I don't care about getting in a conversation about paying college athletes ( been discussed at length out here) but I still hold out hope that college athletics remain as close to ametuer status as possible. Hope this clears up everything.
 
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Not trying to be smug in my post. Sorry if you took it that way. Clay Travis... I make fun of him because his life usually revolves around Bama instead of him cheering for his UT team. I too hate everything about it. It's not just an SEC problem. It is a problem across the board in college sports. And the NCAA does not have the resources or the willingness at this point to try and fight it or so it seems that way. I have been a big supporter of tougher laws with agents, boosters, etc. This guy in T Town is a pirana to the university, football program, etc. and anything to stop him would be great.

I say all that to say this. The players have a responsibility to conduct themselves in the correct manner. If I were Saban I would find out how the guy is getting the items, and if players are involved then suspend them from playing. Repeat offenses and they get shown the door. I don't care about getting in a conversation about paying college athletes ( been discussed at length out here) but I still hold out hope that college athletics remain as close to ametuer status as possible. Hope this clears up everything.

It does, appreciate the post. I believe the University has the ball in their court now. They should verify the authenticity of the signatures and show the door to those involved. I'm sure they been told not to do this before with the previous incidents that have gone public. I'm not talking about a 1 game suspension for 10 guys for the 1st game of the year against some FCS cream puff, I'm talking about taking a real stance against this w expulsion from the U. If that were to happen, it might put some pressure on the shop owner (from a pissed off local fan base) to stop soliciting and getting this "memoribilia".
 

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It does, appreciate the post. I believe the University has the ball in their court now. They should verify the authenticity of the signatures and show the door to those involved. I'm sure they been told not to do this before with the previous incidents that have gone public. I'm not talking about a 1 game suspension for 10 guys for the 1st game of the year against some FCS cream puff, I'm talking about taking a real stance against this w expulsion from the U. If that were to happen, it might put some pressure on the shop owner (from a pissed off local fan base) to stop soliciting and getting this "memoribilia".

I agree but I don't think the school will go that far with the players. But showing them the door would put a stop it it as well as put the store owner out of business. That would be enough to get the Tide faithful in an uproar. I am sure this round will get Saban's attention so it will be interesting to see what he does with it.
 

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this is comical on three levels.....

1. simply the way athletes, schools, conferences, and fan bases think and act above the rules.

2. the NCAA's lack of action and inconsistent behavior.

3. the simple fact that kids can't sell their John Hancocks in the first place is just ridiculous.


In short, this particular rule is ridiculous (specific to autographs, personal property), but it is a rule. Either enforce it, or get rid of the rule.
 

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Listening to Dan Patrick yesterday, he mentioned that there is some talk within the NCAA of paying players really picking up steam. I was on/off the phone during the segment he was talking about it and didn't get to hear all of it. Did anybody else hear it? The one part I did hear is that DP said he wouldn't be surprised if it didn't become a reality soon - as in real soon.

I think the silence from the NCAA on these situations speaks pretty loudly that change is coming.
 

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Listening to Dan Patrick yesterday, he mentioned that there is some talk within the NCAA of paying players really picking up steam. I was on/off the phone during the segment he was talking about it and didn't get to hear all of it. Did anybody else hear it? The one part I did hear is that DP said he wouldn't be surprised if it didn't become a reality soon - as in real soon.

I think the silence from the NCAA on these situations speaks pretty loudly that change is coming.

I think the issue is being discussed as we speak in San Diego under the "full cost of attendance" clause. I do agree that the NCAA doesn't like it but with the five major conferences pushing for more control, the NCAA either gets in line or risks being left behind.

NCAA administrators mull giving power 5 conferences more autonomy - ESPN
 

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Can somene help me out? What exactly does "full cost of attendance" mean? When I was at Notre Dame, my financial aid package was based on what I thought was "full cost of attendance," including tuition, room, board, books, estimated travel, and estimated personal expenses.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Could one of the 237 Alabama football staffers please find Lane Kiffin a shorter coat? <a href="https://t.co/FglR2Lzq2d">pic.twitter.com/FglR2Lzq2d</a></p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/statuses/428949654974132224">January 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Is Saban really short, or is Kiffin tall? I guess I never realized they weren't average height.

[EDIT] Guess Saban is 5'6". Not incredibly short I guess, at least by today's standards.
 
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