Bama's Dial is NOT set to recieve suspension from SEC.

[IrishSteelhead]

Before this devolves into a fight (and you inevitably get banned), there is a significant disparity between Saban's aggressive roster management techniques (oversigning, liberal use of gray-shirting and medicals, pushing out underperformers, etc.) and the way ND treats its athletes. That disparity is partly reflected, among other things, in the schools' GSR figures: ND graduates 100% of its African American football players, while 'Bama only graduates 68%.

So yes, ND fans believe that our school does things "the right way", while 'Bama is a football factory which has no problem kicking kids to the curb if they can't make the two-deep. If you'd like to rebut that premise, please link to some evidence, because that's going to be a tough sell here.

You may just want to leave it alone.

In a meme mood:

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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[jasoninatl]

Before this devolves into a fight (and you inevitably get banned), there is a significant disparity between Saban's aggressive roster management techniques (oversigning, liberal use of gray-shirting and medicals, pushing out underperformers, etc.) and the way ND treats its athletes. That disparity is partly reflected, among other things, in the schools' GSR figures: ND graduates 100% of its African American football players, while 'Bama only graduates 68%.

So yes, ND fans believe that our school does things "the right way", while 'Bama is a football factory which has no problem kicking kids to the curb if they can't make the two-deep. If you'd like to rebut that premise, please link to some evidence, because that's going to be a tough sell here.

You may just want to leave it alone.

Hey, not trying to get banned. Certainly not going to get into a "fight" (not sure how the exactly happens on an internet chat board). Just fascinated by the comments, and enjoy a conversation between two fan-bases that don't interact much. Nothing more than a discussion.

I hadn't looked much into the GSR numbers, but when I did I see where Alabama ranks #7 for teams ranked in the Top 25. I remember a number of years ago the University made a specific attempt to change the academic situation with the football program, and claims to have done so. Looking at the numbers it seems they pulled themselves from a 39 GSR in 1998, to now 70%-75% range.

One last thing. You use the % of African-American that graduate, and compare it to Alabama. I don't have time to look at roster pictures, but I would be interest in knowing what % of Alabama's team is black in comparison to Notre Dames. May put that statistic in some perspective.

Again, hope not to get banned. Looking forward to the game.

 

[NDTH91]

Hey, not trying to get banned. Certainly not going to get into a "fight" (not sure how the exactly happens on an internet chat board). Just fascinated by the comments, and enjoy a conversation between two fan-bases that don't interact much. Nothing more than a discussion.

I hadn't looked much into the GSR numbers, but when I did I see where Alabama ranks #7 for teams ranked in the Top 25. I remember a number of years ago the University made a specific attempt to change the academic situation with the football program, and claims to have done so. Looking at the numbers it seems they pulled themselves from a 39 GSR in 1998, to now 70%-75% range.

One last thing. You use the % of African-American that graduate, and compare it to Alabama. I don't have time to look at roster pictures, but I would be interest in knowing what % of Alabama's team is black in comparison to Notre Dames. May put that statistic in some perspective.

Again, hope not to get banned. Looking forward to the game.

HE'S OUT OF CONTROL! BAN HIM!!!

Haha glad you're not here to stir up trouble. Welcome to the board!

And 39? ...

 

[stlnd01]

I hadn't looked much into the GSR numbers, but when I did I see where Alabama ranks #7 for teams ranked in the Top 25. I remember a number of years ago the University made a specific attempt to change the academic situation with the football program, and claims to have done so. Looking at the numbers it seems they pulled themselves from a 39 GSR in 1998, to now 70%-75% range.

One last thing. You use the % of African-American that graduate, and compare it to Alabama. I don't have time to look at roster pictures, but I would be interest in knowing what % of Alabama's team is black in comparison to Notre Dames. May put that statistic in some perspective.

Welcome aboard.
Nearly doubling GSR in a decade is impressive. Notre Dame's GSR is 97%, which is also impressive.
Eyeballing the scholarship players on ND's roster, I'd say about half, maybe a bit less, are African-American. (FWIW there are also three Hawaiians mixed in.) I'm not as familiar with Alabama's roster, but from what I've seen I'd think they probably have a higher share of African-American players.
But if we're talking percentages I'm not sure what difference that makes. It's not like ND is only graduating five black guys every four years. There are at least 30-35 on the team.

 

[stlnd01]

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I'm not sure that's a fair comparison (or if it's supposed to be). Tough to get a clean look but it seemed as if Stams led with his hands to the chest, not helmet to the head.
If that hit by the Ole Miss kid got him a suspension, what Dial did to Aaron Murray certainly should.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Anyone who defends that hit is either completely ignorant of the rules (head to head shot on a player coincidentally the qb who was totally defenceless) or too biased to form any sort of reasonable opinion on this incident.

If the SEC and Alabama want to ignore it, who could be surprised? It has nothing to do with Notre Dame and Alabama and the SEC are what they are. Jan. 7 cannot come soon enough.

 

[Kak7304]

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison (or if it's supposed to be). Tough to get a clean look but it seemed as if Stams led with his hands to the chest, not helmet to the head.
If that hit by the Ole Miss kid got him a suspension, what Dial did to Aaron Murray certainly should.

The rules have also changed since this hit.

 

[BurningRiver]

I think the real crime here goes back to two weeks ago when that game was being played and the ref who was five yards away and was absolutely staring at that hit kept his flag in his pocket.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think the real crime here goes back to two weeks ago when that game was being played and the ref who was five yards away and was absolutely staring at that hit kept his flag in his pocket.

+1

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison (or if it's supposed to be). Tough to get a clean look but it seemed as if Stams led with his hands to the chest, not helmet to the head.
If that hit by the Ole Miss kid got him a suspension, what Dial did to Aaron Murray certainly should.

It is not about fair comparisons, courts of law, where or how contact is made or anything else. This is football. Both instances were guys trying to put quarterbacks down.


I hope the staff teaches Everett how to keep an eye out. And more than that I hope that they teach the linemen to do the same. They try to hurt our quarterback, we break their legs. This is football. Not a court of law.

I think the real crime here goes back to two weeks ago when that game was being played and the ref who was five yards away and was absolutely staring at that hit kept his flag in his pocket.

This is the point! We can talk all day about criminal hits. The refs are not going to call things against Bama, or maybe our opponents. So we have to protect ourselves. Just like the old days.

By the way, only in the pro's have things changed since '88. Stams hit was a perfectly legal block, his hands are in and he hit with the leading surfaces. In college the defense can wipe out a quarterback after a pick.

Let me make it clear: I believe that Alabama player illegally hit the Geo quarterback. But it happens regularly, and often like in this case doesn't get called. Back in my day, in high school we played teams that put metal rods in arm pads, that sharpened cleats, that would throw hands full of dirt in our face. You name it. We were warned. We played accordingly.

 

[TCramer]

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Nah this wasn't intentional or anything....nothing to see here folks...move along

 

[pumpdog20]

(Dial walks into Saban's office)

Saban: "That hit you got alot of people upset. So I got to pretend to be mad at you"

Dial: "I'm really sorry" (Dial winks at Saban)

Saban: "We won't suspend you if you promise never to do it again"

Dial: "Okay coach I won't" (wink)

Saban: "Alright if anyone ask you tell them I yelled at you and really hurt your feelings and that you know that hit was unaccaptable. Understand?"

Dial: "Yes sir coach"

(They shake hands and Dial walks out of the office)

IMO, the way it should be really.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You can call a fifteen yarder on that. It doesn't have to be intentional helmet to helmet.

I don't believe it was intentional, but I do believe it was a personel foul.

I also believe all this conversation about the criminal nature of Bama football and how a "jailbird" skated adds to the "pussification" of my Irish football. C'mon, it has been years since we have had the kind of team that kicks the shiit out of their opponent, so the other guys don't want to stand back up bloodied and bruised in the fourth quarter. SC was a freakin' mess at the end of the game.

Don't you want to see Bamma in the blender? Let 'em play; this is going to be fun!

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

You can call a fifteen yarder on that. It doesn't have to be intentional helmet to helmet.

I don't believe it was intentional, but I do believe it was a personel foul.

I also believe all this conversation about the criminal nature of Bama football and how a "jailbird" skated adds to the "pussification" of my Irish football. C'mon, it has been years since we have had the kind of team that kicks the shiit out of their opponent, so the other guys don't want to stand back up bloodied and bruised in the fourth quarter. SC was a freakin' mess at the end of the game.

Don't you want to see Bamma in the blender? Let 'em play; this is going to be fun!

Umm watch from second one. He gets down low, spots Murray, and snipes him out, with about 3 or 4 seconds of deliberation and premeditation.

I'm sorry I just disagree. I think it was completely intentional.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Umm watch from second one. He gets down low, spots Murray, and snipes him out, with about 3 or 4 seconds of deliberation and premeditation.

I'm sorry I just disagree. I think it was completely intentional.

Oh, wiping his a$s out was premeditated; helmet to helmet was not. Just because he lowered his shoulder it happened. The really point of lowering his shoulder was to deliver a blow to an open body, not to lower the head for a head to head blow. But it happened, thus a penalty was called for. You can still wipe the field with a quarterback in college.

PS That is the wonderful thing about the helmet to helmet rule. It is easy to detect, and takes care of a whole bunch of things. It actually protects like the clipping rule.

 

[gcashwell]

Oh, wiping his a$s out was premeditated; helmet to helmet was not. Just because he lowered his shoulder it happened. The really point of lowering his shoulder was to deliver a blow to an open body, not to lower the head for a head to head blow. But it happened, thus a penalty was called for. You can still wipe the field with a quarterback in college.

PS That is the wonderful thing about the helmet to helmet rule. It is easy to detect, and takes care of a whole bunch of things. It actually protects like the clipping rule.

This exactly.

Murray himself said the hit made contact with his chest first and knocked the wind out of him. He did not feel it was an intentional helmet-to-helmet hit.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Riiiight. Not intentional.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

We just need to protect ourselves, and wipe them all out on January 7th. I would feel good to see them getting up slowly in the fourth quarter, just like SC did!

 

[gcashwell]

Anyone who defends that hit is either completely ignorant of the rules (head to head shot on a player coincidentally the qb who was totally defenceless) or too biased to form any sort of reasonable opinion on this incident.

If the SEC and Alabama want to ignore it, who could be surprised? It has nothing to do with Notre Dame and Alabama and the SEC are what they are. Jan. 7 cannot come soon enough.

Actually he was not defenseless because he was a defender on the play. Alabama had possession. Murray was running towards the ball holder to make the tackle. He got viciously blocked on a hit that should have been a penalty.

 

[mick2]

who cares, we'll just beat them with this dbag on the field.

 

[LoCo]

Before this devolves into a fight (and you inevitably get banned), there is a significant disparity between Saban's aggressive roster management techniques (oversigning, liberal use of gray-shirting and medicals, pushing out underperformers, etc.) and the way ND treats its athletes. That disparity is partly reflected, among other things, in the schools' GSR figures: ND graduates 100% of its African American football players, while 'Bama only graduates 68%.

So yes, ND fans believe that our school does things "the right way", while 'Bama is a football factory which has no problem kicking kids to the curb if they can't make the two-deep. If you'd like to rebut that premise, please link to some evidence, because that's going to be a tough sell here.

You may just want to leave it alone.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I laughed at this. Truth hurt that much?

 

[gcashwell]

Before this devolves into a fight (and you inevitably get banned), there is a significant disparity between Saban's aggressive roster management techniques (oversigning, liberal use of gray-shirting and medicals, pushing out underperformers, etc.) and the way ND treats its athletes. That disparity is partly reflected, among other things, in the schools' GSR figures: ND graduates 100% of its African American football players, while 'Bama only graduates 68%.

So yes, ND fans believe that our school does things "the right way", while 'Bama is a football factory which has no problem kicking kids to the curb if they can't make the two-deep. If you'd like to rebut that premise, please link to some evidence, because that's going to be a tough sell here.

You may just want to leave it alone.

As an Alabama fan I have to say...





that you are correct. Alabama football is run as close to a mercenary squad as possible. Very little emphasis is put on academics. Frankly, many of the players don't have the ability to excel at academics anyway. This is their only chance at college.

I think the graduation rate numbers may be skewed slightly by the relatively large number of players who go pro early.

Saban is a masterful coach, who uses everything in the rule book to win games. That is what the people of Alabama want. I would venture to say he is the most respected and idolized man in the state right now. It's pretty ridiculous.

Alabama has a great football program, but its members are not the quintessential student athlete that you see at schools like ND, Duke, Harvard, etc.

One thing I can say about Saban, he does not coach his players to play dirty or to injure purposely.

 

[MrIrishCanadian1]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I have a feeling that this is not the most informative response.

 

[tidetoit]

Murry was a defender 6 yards downfield closing on the ball carrier. He was absolutely fair game. The hit wasn't unsportsmanlike but the helmet to helmet contact was - but it doesn't merit anything more than a 15 yard penalty.

 

[JughedJones]