'14 IL ILB Nyles Morgan (Notre Dame Signee)

[ThePiombino]

So the Elam thread has broken down to Mitch Hedberg quotes, does this mean we will start quoting Brian Regan?

The big yellow one's the sun!

 

[NDhoosier]

He probably assumed Morgan had made it... Lol

that is what I am thinking. He probably is assuming Morgan already made his decision, Morgan is just waiting to announce it at his All-American game.

 

[connor_in]

So the Elam thread has broken down to Mitch Hedberg quotes, does this mean we will start quoting Brian Regan?

Bippity Boppity BACON

#JimGaffigan

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bippity Boppity BACON

#JimGaffigan

That just wouldn't be funny.

On crank calls :

“Brian, relax, man. You’ve gotta relax when you make the crank calls.”
― Brian Regan, Live

 

[Irish To The Core]

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

 

[koonja]

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

I'm confused. ND is doing the mass mailings last time I knew.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'm confused. ND is doing the mass mailings last time I knew.

Pretty sure he was referrencing that he thought we are stepping down to their level.

 

[gkIrish]

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

What? Kids like to feel special and wanted. That's all this is.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

If ND has any hope of competing against the SEC then they have to step up their game in the recruiting department. Kids love stuff like this and it lets them know they are important. Wasn't there a recruit (Darby maybe) who said he wasn't feeling the love from ND once he committed. I think Kelly and the rest of the staff is committed to making sure these kids know how much ND needs them and wants them, committed or uncommitted.

 

[ResLife Hero]

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

I wouldn't go so far as to call a kid selfish because he likes getting mail. As to your point of where this puts us in comparison to SEC schools, I like that we're matching them in their truly-legal efforts. To me, that makes it much easier on the recruit to see through some BS and make an informed decision on the ultimately important factors like quality of education that you pointed out.

 

[peoriairish]

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

Here ya go.

Rock's House at NDNation

 

[Wild Bill]

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

They didn't send strippers and blow. It was just some mail.

 

[GreenSox04]

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I repeat...if a kid is so immature that this kind of thing impresses him to the point that this is a deal maker, I don't think that bodes well for him as the type of player who will help a program. Sure most 17 year old kids would like it, but if this is what the kid uses to decide between Notre Dame and some other school, his commitment is pretty weak. Personally, I like to have recruits who are impressed with the excellent education athletes receive at Notre Dame and the special atmosphere that no other university can match. Kids who are all about the "window dressing" are the ones who transfer or jump ship on NSD. You don't have to agree with me, but how childish is it to negative rep me for it?

 

[Irish To The Core]

Here ya go.

Rock's House at NDNation

Sorry, what am I supposed to look at there?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Sorry, what am I supposed to look at there?

Like-minded individuals

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Sorry, what am I supposed to look at there?

I believe he was inviting you to join ND Nation

 

[peoriairish]

I repeat...if a kid is so immature that this kind of thing impresses him to the point that this is a deal maker, I don't think that bodes well for him as the type of player who will help a program. Sure most 17 year old kids would like it, but if this is what the kid uses to decide between Notre Dame and some other school, his commitment is pretty weak. Personally, I like to have recruits who are impressed with the excellent education athletes receive at Notre Dame and the special atmosphere that no other university can match. Kids who are all about the "window dressing" are the ones who transfer or jump ship on NSD. You don't have to agree with me, but how childish is it to negative rep me for it?

Again.... sounds like you belong more here... Rock's House at NDNation than you do on Irish Envy.

Edit: What Kane and GITF said is correct.

Times have changed and recruiting efforts must tailor to the kids desires. Unless of course you want to become a perennial 8-5 team. If sending out 477 letters reaffirms the fact that ND is very interested, then why the fuck not do it? The letters never were meant to sway the kid one direction or another, but to boost what they already know. It's not like Elam is gunna say.... "DAMN!!!! ND sent me 477 letters! But hold on a fast minute. UK only sent me 464 letters? Looks like I'm heading to ND since they want me more!"

Times have changed. Get over it. We already trying to play catchup here.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

If it makes you feel better there are 477, one for each of our draft picks. They sent it to show them that we put guys in the NFL and if you want to think of it as educating the kids on the history of ND you would be justified.

Recruiting in the days of social media is a brave new world. This shit doesn't hurt anything so I don't understand the get off my lawn attitude

 

[pkt77242]

Sorry, what am I supposed to look at there?

Your reflection in the computer screen.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Your reflection in the computer screen.

Can't rep but I got a good laugh

 

[Irish To The Core]

They didn't send strippers and blow. It was just some mail.

Yes I know. It is a harmless little thing. I just can't believe that any recruit with his head screwed on right would make a mass mailing like that a legitimate factor in their decision. It is not so much that Kelly approved this action, it is the idea that by doing it we are going to tip the scales in our favor. If a dump of hundreds of pieces of mail is the basis of a kid's college choice, then how much "love" will he feel when SEC sleezeballs offer his Daddy a condo? We can't win the battle for kids whose priorities are such. If the coaches are doing it just to brighten up a solid thinking kid's day, sort of saying "you deserve a little special attention", that is fine.

 

[AvesEvo]

I repeat...if a kid is so immature that this kind of thing impresses him to the point that this is a deal maker, I don't think that bodes well for him as the type of player who will help a program. Sure most 17 year old kids would like it, but if this is what the kid uses to decide between Notre Dame and some other school, his commitment is pretty weak. Personally, I like to have recruits who are impressed with the excellent education athletes receive at Notre Dame and the special atmosphere that no other university can match. Kids who are all about the "window dressing" are the ones who transfer or jump ship on NSD. You don't have to agree with me, but how childish is it to negative rep me for it?

Whatever man.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Here ya go.

Rock's House at NDNation

Ahhh, I see. I have an opinion contrary to yours so I should stop posting on this board. Nice.

 

[pkt77242]

Ahhh, I see. I have an opinion contrary to yours so I should stop posting on this board. Nice.

No you have an opinion from the 1950's so he thought that you would appreciate a website with similarly minded individuals. Think of it as him trying to match you with the proper website.

 

[peoriairish]

Ahhh, I see. I have an opinion contrary to yours so I should stop posting on this board. Nice.

I think you're missing the point of these letters, new recruiting tactics, and the Pots of Gold entirely. It's not like we are sending these letters to Fournette trying to get him add ND to his list of interests. We are sending them to kids with legitimate interest in ND to show that we are still incredibly interested in them. The more visible we are to the PSAs, the more they think about us, the more they envision themselves at ND, and the better the chances are we land them. It's all a game.

If it makes you any better, we sent 127 letters to the verbals to let them know we haven't forgotten about them... also for all the reasons I stated above. Wait... that will probably make you think less of them if they stay aboard. Nevermind.

 

[IrishLax]

Yes I know. It is a harmless little thing. I just can't believe that any recruit with his head screwed on right would make a mass mailing like that a legitimate factor in their decision. It is not so much that Kelly approved this action, it is the idea that by doing it we are going to tip the scales in our favor. If a dump of hundreds of pieces of mail is the basis of a kid's college choice, then how much "love" will he feel when SEC sleezeballs offer his Daddy a condo? We can't win the battle for kids whose priorities are such. If the coaches are doing it just to brighten up a solid thinking kid's day, sort of saying "you deserve a little special attention", that is fine.

You're completely missing the forest for the trees.

Yes, any recruit that based his decision on the amount or quality of mail received would be making a silly decision.

Sending mail is not about influencing the decision via the mail itself. There are lots of reasons to send mail, and here are some:
A) Making an impression/getting noticed/tangibly displaying interest... early in the cycle, it makes an impression and someone who doesn't know anything about Notre Dame can have their interest piqued and choose to learn more.
B) Communicating a message... much like Alabama did with this, Notre Dame was communicating visually just how rich the tradition is and how many players Notre Dame has put in the NFL. Seeing it visually can be more powerful than hearing it verbally. It's not like Notre Dame sent them 500 carbon copies of the same thing... each was a unique piece of mail with a purpose.
C) Allowable form of contact in periods where other forms are forbidden... self-explanatory.

None of the above reasons are actually changing or influencing the decision of the kid. He's not picking Notre Dame because he got a "Pot of Gold." Mail for the sake of mail is pointless and there probably isn't a prospect in the history of CFB that picked a school for the quantity of mail received. But he very well may pick Notre Dame for the tradition and the ability to help him reach his goals as a player... a message cleverly brought home in the mass mail campaign.

 

[stlnd01]

Plus, it's flippin' snail mail. It's old-school. Like Notre Dame. We should send them a pair of Champion shorts from 1987, too. Used by our last Heisman winner.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Again.... sounds like you belong more here... Rock's House at NDNation than you do on Irish Envy.

Edit: What Kane and GITF said is correct.

Times have changed and recruiting efforts must tailor to the kids desires. Unless of course you want to become a perennial 8-5 team. If sending out 477 letters reaffirms the fact that ND is very interested, then why the fuck not do it? The letters never were meant to sway the kid one direction or another, but to boost what they already know. It's not like Elam is gunna say.... "DAMN!!!! ND sent me 477 letters! But hold on a fast minute. UK only sent me 464 letters? Looks like I'm heading to ND since they want me more!"

Times have changed. Get over it. We already trying to play catchup here.

So it won't sway a kid in one direction or the other, but if we don't do it we are doomed to be perennial 8-5 team?

Times most certainly have changed. But as you point out, these little tricks are "not going to sway... kid(s)s in one direction or another". That is my point. The kid for whom 477 letter day was the day he decided to commit to Notre Dame is probably incapable of keeping up with the demands of Notre Dame. I can't believe any kid who is seriously considering Notre Dame cares all that much about these letters. A visit from Coach Alford makes a real difference...this is kind of like a Christmas Card. Nice to know they are thinking about me, but...

 

[peoriairish]

So it won't sway a kid in one direction or the other, but if we don't do it we are doomed to be perennial 8-5 team?

Times most certainly have changed. But as you point out, these little tricks are "not going to sway... kid(s)s in one direction or another". That is my point. The kid for whom 477 letter day was the day he decided to commit to Notre Dame is probably incapable of keeping up with the demands of Notre Dame. I can't believe any kid who is seriously considering Notre Dame cares all that much about these letters. A visit from Coach Alford makes a real difference...this is kind of like a Christmas Card. Nice to know they are thinking about me, but...

Well now my words are being misconstrued. No. 477 letters will not single handedly get a kid on board. 477 letters to Fournette is not going to sway him one or another. Might actually give him a little laugh at this stage of the game. Yes. 477 will keep ND in the forefront and thoughts of a player like Morgan, Schultz, or Smith who we have legitimate chances with. It will not be the straw that broke the camel's back and make them verbal, but it sure as hell might be the wind that takes the straw to the camel.

Also, here's a ladder. You might need it to step off your high horse regarding the bolded above...