'12 AL QB Jameis Winston (FSU Verbal)

[irishff1014]

I just wish this would have come out before now. Why wait til he is a college football star? he was an outstanding baseball player why didn't this com out when was doing good there?

 

[ResLife Hero]

I just wish this would have come out before now. Why wait til he is a college football star? he was an outstanding baseball player why didn't this com out when was doing good there?

The story being put out there by the plaintiff is that detectives warned her not to pursue it because FSU is in a football town, and only after repeated requests for information by the media did the Tallahassee PD pass the case to the attorney general's office.

Those media requests probably picked up a lot after he started to emerge as a Heisman favorite.

 

[irishff1014]

The story being put out there by the plaintiff is that detectives warned her not to pursue it because it FSU is in a football town, and only after repeated requests for information by the media did the Tallahassee PD pass the case to the attorney general's office.

Those media requests probably picked up a lot after he started to emerge as a Heisman favorite.

Is shouldn't be like that though. Who cares if is a football town if he messed up and it sounds real you should look into more.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Is shouldn't be like that though. Who cares if is a football town if he messed up and it sounds real you should look into more.

Agree 100%, but there are some seriously crooked people out there, and if the accusations are true, one of those people tried to bury this one for good. I'm in no way defending that mentality or those actions.

 

[woolybug25]

Agree 100%, but there are some seriously crooked people out there, and if the accusations are true, one of those people tried to bury this one for good. I'm in no way defending that mentality or those actions.

Since it came out, I haven't heard of anything in regards to the police officers that supposedly did this? If this is really what happened, those police officers need to be prosecuted as well. They clearly broke the law and tried to hide a crime.

 

[irishff1014]

Agree 100%, but there are some seriously crooked people out there, and accusations are if the true, one of those people tried to bury this one for good. I'm in no way defending that mentality or those actions.

I agree there are crooked people in every profession out in this world. Can't judge that job because a few bad apple though.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Since it came out, I haven't heard of anything in regards to the police officers that supposedly did this? If this is really what happened, those police officers need to be prosecuted as well. They clearly broke the law and tried to hide a crime.

"The family of the accuser in the Jameis Winston sexual assault investigation released a statement to the Tampa Bay Times Wednesday, accusing a Tallahassee police detective of warning the accuser that she would be "raked over the coals" if she proceeded in the case against Winston."

Family of Winston accuser: Police warned against pursuing case - CBSSports.com

 

[irishff1014]

"The family of the accuser in the Jameis Winston sexual assault investigation released a statement to the Tampa Bay Times Wednesday, accusing a Tallahassee police detective of warning the accuser that she would be "raked over the coals" if she proceeded in the case against Winston."

Family of Winston accuser: Police warned against pursuing case - CBSSports.com

Ouch this could hurt if true.

 

[domerfreak]

"The family of the accuser in the Jameis Winston sexual assault investigation released a statement to the Tampa Bay Times Wednesday, accusing a Tallahassee police detective of warning the accuser that she would be "raked over the coals" if she proceeded in the case against Winston."

Family of Winston accuser: Police warned against pursuing case - CBSSports.com

My only question to this is if a cop told a victim months before it became as wide spread as it is now. what did the university know about? What a mess.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I guess they will call FSU Free Soda University.

 

[IrishLax]

Apparently findings coming tomorrow... sounds like no charges are likely.

 

[CTHindman]

As a citizen that lives in the great state of Florida, I am going to be pisssed at the grand standing if they charge him. Not that he might be guilty, but that it "leaked" to the media when they were going to charge someone be charged with a violent crime.
I honestly do not know enough to feel one way or the other about Mr Winston. I think rapists should be castrated, but innocent men charged by women who had second thoughts after the fact are more evil than true rapists.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Look, I don't know if he's guilty or totally innocent, but a willing witness/victim and DNA evidence brings an indictment in almost every other case. Unless there's some huge factor that hasn't been made public, this goes to jury/plea 99.9% of the time. I hope he's innocent, but the accuser and the defendant deserve their day in court, heisman be dammed.

 

[CTHindman]

Look, I don't know if he's guilty or totally innocent, but a willing witness/victim and DNA evidence brings an indictment in almost every other case. Unless there's some huge factor that hasn't been made public, this goes to jury/plea 99.9% of the time. I hope he's innocent, but the accuser and the defendant deserve their day in court, heisman be dammed.

My point is if they are going to charge him, then do it. Don't leak to the media that he is going to be charged the next day. Only one reason for that: publicity.

 

[ResLife Hero]

My point is if they are going to charge him, then do it. Don't leak to the media that he is going to be charged the next day. Only one reason for that: publicity.

Completely agree. Scheduling a press conference and all is inappropriate regardless of the message in this instance.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I have not clue if he's guilty or not. But the whole story still just seems odd to me. Obviously with the type of crime it is we aren't gonna get to many details. Only what each side chooses to leak to make their client look better in the public eye. But the victim has basically said the he raped me and Winston relied by saying there was consent. The only facts we know are that they had sex (forced or not) and there was his DNA left in her panties. There isn't even enough info out there to make form a belief one way or the other. As far as the prosecutor, what an ass. Investigate or don't. Charge him or don't. There is no reason to schedule a release of the decision or anything. This isn't Law and Order, this is real life. If I was the Victim, or Winston, I'd be upset.

 

[jmurphy75]

tifwiw, but i read an email today from someone close to this that there will be no charges brought. There was a relationship between the 2 that went on after the alleged rape, the email had 2 pics attached both date stamped after the report and it was of winston and the girl together both looked like they were happily dating.

 

[IrishLax]

tifwiw, but i read an email today from someone close to this that there will be no charges brought. There was a relationship between the 2 that went on after the alleged rape, the email had 2 pics attached both date stamped after the report and it was of winston and the girl together both looked like they were happily dating.

Yup. And taken from ISD:

I have been saying this since news broke. I know the attorney representing him. There is nothing. Allegedly she got upset because his other girlfriend from Alabama was coming to town. Her roommate and Winston's roommate walked in on them. Think about it. If your daughter was raped would you wait 11 months to raise a stink. Nope. Never. Crap case from the get go

 

[Rhode Irish]

tifwiw, but i read an email today from someone close to this that there will be no charges brought. There was a relationship between the 2 that went on after the alleged rape, the email had 2 pics attached both date stamped after the report and it was of winston and the girl together both looked like they were happily dating.

I'm not saying that the kid is guilty or should be presumed guilty, but that they were together after the alleged incident certainly is not proof that he is innocent. It does seem a bit like the Kobe situation, so I'm not trying to say that the whole thing isn't bullshit. Just that one piece or "evidence" couldn't be more meaningless.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not saying that the kid is guilty or should be presumed guilty, but that they were together after the alleged incident certainly is not proof that he is innocent. It does seem a bit like the Kobe situation, so I'm not trying to say that the whole thing isn't bullshit. Just that one piece or "evidence" couldn't be more meaningless.

Ultimately, when it comes down to a rape claim of consensual vs. forced, it's a subjective judgment call of whose claim is the most credible.

From everything I've heard, there is no evidence undermining the credibility of Winston's claim.

On the other hand, it appears that there are multiple things complicating or undermining the credibility of her claim. I could go into a long list, but some of what I would list might be wrong as it's all message board hearsay. So I think we should just all wait to hear what the police say tomorrow.

 

[jmurphy75]

I'm not saying that the kid is guilty or should be presumed guilty, but that they were together after the alleged incident certainly is not proof that he is innocent. It does seem a bit like the Kobe situation, so I'm not trying to say that the whole thing isn't bullshit. Just that one piece or "evidence" couldn't be more meaningless.

To give a little more info, the two had been hooking up and jamis had told her she would have to lay low because his real girlfriend was coming into town so he would not talk to her the week his GF from home was in town, she became very pissed and this is how she reacted. This email was shared by the owner of my company, he is an alum, booster, and both of his kids go there. The email was from a very credible source very involved in the situation, and was a direct response to my boss asking for the real story of what was going on. I'm not saying what is true or who is guilty or innocent I just happen to have some credible info and wanted to share. I don't get to offer much on this board and would never do so unless it was VERY credible.

 

[Rhode Irish]

To give a little more info, the two had been hooking up and jamis had told her she would have to lay low because his real girlfriend was coming into town so he would not talk to her the week his GF from home was in town, she became very pissed and this is how she reacted. This email was shared by the owner of my company, he is an alum, booster, and both of his kids go there. The email was from a very credible source very involved in the situation, and was a direct response to my boss asking for the real story of what was going on. I'm not saying what is true or who is guilty or innocent I just happen to have some credible info and wanted to share. I don't get to offer much on this board and would never do so unless it was VERY credible.

No doubt. And I'm not saying that any of that isn't true. That story actually makes tons of sense. I'm just saying that seeing the accuser and the accused together at some point after the alleged incident doesn't mean that nothing illegal happened. More of a general point.

 

[pkt77242]

To give a little more info, the two had been hooking up and jamis had told her she would have to lay low because his real girlfriend was coming into town so he would not talk to her the week his GF from home was in town, she became very pissed and this is how she reacted. This email was shared by the owner of my company, he is an alum, booster, and both of his kids go there. The email was from a very credible source very involved in the situation, and was a direct response to my boss asking for the real story of what was going on. I'm not saying what is true or who is guilty or innocent I just happen to have some credible info and wanted to share. I don't get to offer much on this board and would never do so unless it was VERY credible.

If this is true then why did she have a problem getting his height right? You would think that if they had a prior relationship that she could have at least gotten close on his height. Also it took her a month to point out Winston which would also be weird if they had a prior relationship. I am not saying that you information is isn't correct just that it raises a couple of questions.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Yup. And taken from ISD:

As far as the ISD quote goes, she reported it the night of. She obviously didn't wait 11 months or there wouldn't have been DNA. Rape or not, all that anyone knows at this point is there was intercourse

 

[Irish#1]

To give a little more info, the two had been hooking up and jamis had told her she would have to lay low because his real girlfriend was coming into town so he would not talk to her the week his GF from home was in town, she became very pissed and this is how she reacted. This email was shared by the owner of my company, he is an alum, booster, and both of his kids go there. The email was from a very credible source very involved in the situation, and was a direct response to my boss asking for the real story of what was going on. I'm not saying what is true or who is guilty or innocent I just happen to have some credible info and wanted to share. I don't get to offer much on this board and would never do so unless it was VERY credible.

How stupid of a move was this? That's playing with dynamite. All I know is this kid really doesn't have a clue of what makes a female tick. Come to think of it, none of us do! lol

 

[FLDomer]

To me its stupid that the DA is feeding into the media circus, why the press conference? If he is guilty (personally dont think he is) than just charger and arrest him and if innocent or not enough evidence to charge than just put out a press release instead of a press conference. DRAMA makes the world go round.

I wonder if they will have two hats one the table, "Charge" and "Dropped"......oooohhhh boy the suspense!!!

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I'm quite sure that the prosecutor's office is not calling a PC to tell everyone Winston is going to be charged and that if anyone in the press area knows his whereabouts, please tell the cops...

They are calling a press conference because they feel that an explanation of whatever they are about to do is necessary. No way they go about it in this manner unless it is to say no charges will be brought.

 

[Corry]

I don't we'll ever know the truth. The fact that she continued to date him after means nothing. I hope for everyone's sake the claims are false.

 

[Irish#1]

To me its stupid that the DA is feeding into the media circus, why the press conference? If he is guilty (personally dont think he is) than just charger and arrest him and if innocent or not enough evidence to charge than just put out a press release instead of a press conference. DRAMA makes the world go round.

I wonder if they will have two hats one the table, "Charge" and "Dropped"......oooohhhh boy the suspense!!!

I'm quite sure that the prosecutor's office is not calling a PC to tell everyone Winston is going to be charged and that if anyone in the press area knows his whereabouts, please tell the cops...

They are calling a press conference because they feel that an explanation of whatever they are about to do is necessary. No way they go about it in this manner unless it is to say no charges will be brought.

I can see the need for a PC either way they are going with this. By having the PC, they can answer everyone's questions at the same time and don't have to field call after call in their office.

 

[OCIrish]

The fact that she continued to date him after means nothing.

Not calling you out personally, but you're about the third or fourth person I've read who has said this, or along these lines.........it means A LOT!!!! When you're raped, and or assaulted, sexually or in any other way, you don't view your attacker the same way as you once did......and what I mean by that, in almost every rape case, the female goes through many emotions, and many have a hard time just seeing their attacker, in any capacity.....maybe she's the exception to the rule, but I have a hard time believing that she was raped, and then still carried on a relationship with him.......JMO