Steve Sarkisian Hired as USC HC

[irishog77]

Like what? Besides an on-campus stadium?

UCLA is a basketball school first, and plays second fiddle to USC in LA. But they're a sleeping giant. If they actually committed themselves to football, they could be a sustained top 20 program, and one of the three or four best in the West. Barring Phil Knight/Boone Pickens style investment it's hard to see Washington ever getting to that. Not enough native talent or focus.

As it is today, they're comparable jobs in the Pac-12's second tier. UCLA to Washington would be a lateral move for most (maybe a U-Dub homer like Mora considers it an improvement). But UCLA has more upside, and Mora, like him or not, seems to be getting them there.

And have been...for 100 years. And I think you gave one great answer, yourself, the reason why I and others on here have said UCLA isn't necessarily a better job than UW-- "If they actually committed themselves to football." I think after all these years and all the history, the more proper way to describe UCLA than "sleeping giant," is "not a great job."

I've wondered myself why ucla isn't better. They're in an awesome section of a warm weathered, glamorous U.S. city, right in the midst of high school talent. NDinL.A. can give you more specifics, but their enormous, off-campus stadium (and depending on L.A. traffic, it's like a 40 minute--1 1/2 drive from campus) is actually a big negative (how many college kids are able and willing to make that drive?). They don't pay their assistants well or take care of the staff well, there's never really been an institutional backing for a premiere program, many students and alumni are indifferent to their success, L.A. is a finicky place-- they couldn't support and sustain an NFL team, let alone the little brother college program in the city. Sure, if they're doing well, the bandwagoneers will hop aboard, but once they have a 6-6 season, they're back off.

This is all information I've gathered from a couple ucla alums I know (season ticket holders) and NDinL.A. As I said, he can give you a better rundown than I. But in my opinion, the UW job is a better job...all things being equal (mainly meaning when ucla isn't having a glimmer of success while big brother across town is down). I wouldn't say Washington's head and shoulders above ucla, but yeah, still overall better.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Washington has Nuss on their short list. That will have an impact on Bama's recruiting if he gets the job.

 

[Cackalacky]

Washington has Nuss on their short list. That will have an impact on Bama's recruiting if he gets the job.

Nuss is on my short list.

 

[Cackalacky]

I have no idea how this Mora to Washington stuff even got any traction, but I'm glad it did. Just the rumor of him possibly leaving can put doubts into recruits minds. I hate UCLA.

"There's no harm in listening" = Contract extension and mas dinero.

 

[ThePiombino]

"There's no harm in listening" = Contract extension and mas dinero.

Classic CFB HC maneuver, AKA the 'Les Miles, Mo' Money' move

 

[Cackalacky]

Classic CFB HC maneuver, AKA the 'Les Miles, Mo' Money' move

BK did it too. Just saying.

 

[HawaiianIrish]

So they hired a guy who's best friend is Kiffin and who learned under Sneaky Pete???? Oh boy this is gonna get interesting!!

FUSC ALWAYS AND FOREVER….


GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Grahambo]

Washington has Nuss on their short list. That will have an impact on Bama's recruiting if he gets the job.

What job is Kirby Smart waiting for?

 

[ACamp1900]

What job is Kirby Smart waiting for?

Bama

 

[TheChosen1]

I wonder if I am going to be able to hate Sark as much as I did Kiffin and Carroll

 

[Classic Irish]

I wonder if I am going to be able to hate Sark as much as I did Kiffin and Carroll

Don't worry, you will. He's a smug SOB.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Tee Martin is staying and the DB and RB coaches (also very good recruiters) are coming over from Washington.

That's three really good recruiters in the fold.

Oh, and the USC d line coach left, which only means one thing, Tosh.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Tee Martin is staying and the DB and RB coaches (also very good recruiters) are coming over from Washington.

That's three really good recruiters in the fold.

Oh, and the USC d line coach left, which only means one thing, Tosh.

Isn't one of those coaches JuJu's uncle...

 

[zbikowski88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>If UCLA OL coach Adrian Klemm lands at USC as is rumored, there will be HUGE recruiting implications. Watch out</p>— Barton Simmons (@bartonsimmons) <a href="https://twitter.com/bartonsimmons/statuses/408446576609067008">December 5, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[GoldenIsThyFame]

Yeah if that happens they will have the best recruiting staff in the country. Now if they can actually coach...

 

[johnnycando]

The world is righting for USC.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Steve Sarkisian Hired as USC HC

Schrader from USC 24/7 is saying SC has offered Klemm 1.5 M a year. If true, THATS INSANE. He was making 275k at UCLA. He is saying its a done deal...

 

[Ironman8]

I think it's a done deal for anyone to move across the state for a raise over 5 times my original salary haha.

 

[Redbar]

I think it's a done deal for anyone to move across town for a raise over 5 times my original salary haha.

That seems like a forgone conclusion, but I'll wait to see what EV has to tweet about it, I wonder if Coach Klemm is all Bruin.

 

[IrishLax]

Schrader from USC 24/7 is saying SC has offered Klemm 1.5 M a year. If true, THATS INSANE. He was along 275k at UCLA. He is saying its a done deal...

Honestly... what the fuck is USC doing right now? 1.5 mil a year for a OL coach? That doesn't even make sense. Chuck Martin is now making ~$450k as a HEAD COACH of a program.

But they won't pay the buyout for Wilcox? And Tosh might be staying put? Makes zero sense at all.

 

[stlnd01]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, if you're a coach, recruiting successfully is largely about effort, yes? How much work you put in. How hungry you are. How willing you are to accommodate the whims of fickle and self-impressed 17-year-olds. How much ass you'll kiss?
If that's true, at some point, paying massive salaries to guys who are primarily recruiters would seem to be counterproductive. If I'm making $75,000 (still good money, BTW) and want to climb the ladder, I'll do it via recruiting and work my butt off. See Scott Booker. If I'm making 20 times that, how much harder can I work, and what for, exactly? And maybe I get sick of brown-nosing four-star punks and before long I mail it in half the time.
I don't know. Everyone's motivated by different things. But hiring a staff full of recruiters and paying them a boatload doesn't seem like an automatic recipe for success.

 

[koonja]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, if you're a coach, recruiting successfully is largely about effort, yes? How much work you put in. How hungry you are. How willing you are to accommodate the whims of fickle and self-impressed 17-year-olds. How much ass you'll kiss?
If that's true, at some point, paying massive salaries to guys who are primarily recruiters would seem to be counterproductive. If I'm making $75,000 (still good money, BTW) and want to climb the ladder, I'll do it via recruiting and work my butt off. See Scott Booker. If I'm making 20 times that, how much harder can I work, and what for, exactly? And maybe I get sick of brown-nosing four-star punks and before long I mail it in half the time.
I don't know. Everyone's motivated by different things. But hiring a staff full of recruiters and paying them a boatload doesn't seem like an automatic recipe for success.

There's data that suggests raises in salary are a demotivator FYI, adds to your point.

 

[Grahambo]

Honestly... what the fuck is USC doing right now? 1.5 mil a year for a OL coach? That doesn't even make sense. Chuck Martin is now making ~$450k as a HEAD COACH of a program.

But they won't pay the buyout for Wilcox? And Tosh might be staying put? Makes zero sense at all.

Lord only knows. Essentially trying to buy their way back to the top? You get too many guys with a hand in the jar and that's a problem. These coaches are gonna have ego's that'll clash. I mean Haden was quoted as saying he hopes Oregeron makes him look stupid for not selecting him. Who says that right after you just hired someone?

When you have to say Pete Carroll was the 5th choice as a defense for selecting someone, that's also an issue. This has the potential to blow up real bad for SC.

 

[ulukinatme]

Lord only knows. Essentially trying to buy their way back to the top? You get too many guys with a hand in the jar and that's a problem. These coaches are gonna have ego's that'll clash. I mean Haden was quoted as saying he hopes Oregeron makes him look stupid for not selecting him. Who says that right after you just hired someone?

When you have to say Pete Carroll was the 5th choice as a defense for selecting someone, that's also an issue. This has the potential to blow up real bad for SC.

Southern Cal QB's are prone to saying and doing stupid things. Examples:

Haden

We already know his statements about Oregeron.
Speaking on Kiffin: “He’s a dynamic playcaller in my estimation. I firmly believe we’ll bounce back strong.”
I'm sure theres more, but I'm lazy.

Leinart

This one has always been a favorite of mine, time proved that passing on Leinart in the draft was actually a smart move:

“He's like, 'Your welcome man. I pushed your back, ... I was like, 'Thanks dude.'”
“I had one class left and I thought it would be fun,” “We both kind of figured, 'Let's take that,' ... We'll practice our tango or whatever the heck they do — the 1-2 step.” (Ballroom dancing, sounds tough and requires active participation)

Mark Sanchez

The Somewhat Romantic Story Of Mark Sanchez And A 17-Year-Old Girl
I'm sure theres more, Sanchez seems like a magnet for stupidity.


Carson Palmer
I don't think theres a lot out there, but the guy refused to play for the Bengals, demanding a trade...only to go to the Raiders. That kind of backfired. There was also this:
“I will never set foot in Paul Brown Stadium again.” Unless...of course...he plays the Bengals.

Matt Barkley
....screw it, I'm already sick of doing this much research on USC. I rest my case.

 

[connor_in]

just FYI...it did get a little better for Sark...but still bad...

Do you like the Steve Sarkisian hire?
867 Votes
Yes. He's the right guy. 19.38%
No. I don't like the hire. 66.44%
I'm indifferent. 14.19%

http://usc.rivals.com/pollresult.asp?SID=995&Poll=176194

 

[Cackalacky]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, if you're a coach, recruiting successfully is largely about effort, yes? How much work you put in. How hungry you are. How willing you are to accommodate the whims of fickle and self-impressed 17-year-olds. How much ass you'll kiss?
If that's true, at some point, paying massive salaries to guys who are primarily recruiters would seem to be counterproductive. If I'm making $75,000 (still good money, BTW) and want to climb the ladder, I'll do it via recruiting and work my butt off. See Scott Booker. If I'm making 20 times that, how much harder can I work, and what for, exactly? And maybe I get sick of brown-nosing four-star punks and before long I mail it in half the time.
I don't know. Everyone's motivated by different things. But hiring a staff full of recruiters and paying them a boatload doesn't seem like an automatic recipe for success.

Save the money on salaries for the coaches and funnel it to the recruits. These guys are dumb.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Word currently is that Tosh is staying at UW as Haden doesn't want to hire him...

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[Emcee77]

Word currently is that Tosh is staying at UW as Haden doesn't want to hire him...

Wow ...

Now Chris Peterson gets the benefit of Tosh's dark powers of persuasion. Can you say juggernaut at UW?

Haden is creating a monster at UW with his dumb hiring decisions.

 

[IrishLax]

Word currently is that Tosh is staying at UW as Haden doesn't want to hire him...

He's not needed for USC to recruit well, and is a ticking time bomb in terms of getting caught with his antics. Probably a smart move.